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Information/Reviews of Roasters
Nov 11th, 2006, 8:06pm
 
This thread is for the posting of basic information/reviews of roasters and is intended to be used as a starting point for those looking at acquiring a new machine.

For ease of reading posts should be made using the following format:

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Features (Capacity, programable etc):
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This thread is not for any discussion, only informational posts in the above format. Any posts made not of this type will be deleted.

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Re: Information/Reviews of Roasters
Reply #1 - Apr 20th, 2007, 8:14am
 
Machine Name: Hottop KN228-D

Price Range: Circa $1k

Features
Batch size of 250g though I have pushed it to 275g. Roaster pre-heats and then requests bean drop at around 70 deg. C. Roast progress is viewable through end window and it's quiet, so roast progress can be heard. Maximum roast time of 21 minutes with the option of a further 3 minutes added in 30 second increments.

Traditional style cooling tray works well.

Roast profile not programable.

Notes:
Roaster retains a "roast memory" and roast time becomes longer from batch to batch and also as the unit ages. Once 24 min. is reached, game over and beans are dumped into the cooling tray. Some tipping is often noticed in the roasted beans.

Top and fan filters are washable with care but must be periodically replaced.
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Re: Information/Reviews of Roasters
Reply #2 - Apr 20th, 2007, 8:34am
 
Machine Name: Gene Cafe

Price Range: Circa $780
Features

Batch size of 300g and easily viewable roast. Complete control of roast profile via rotary knobs for temp. (max 250 deg. C) and time (max 30 min.). Off axis rotation leads to really even roast and excellent chaff removal. No filters to replace.

Notes:
Back to back roasts possible after completion of roast and cooling cycle can be aborted to use fan style coller if desired. Roaster then cools to about 70 deg. C before allowing another roast. This roaster makes more noise than the hottop, however the chaff catcher tends to amplify cracks and they are generally easy to hear.

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Reply #3 - Jul 20th, 2008, 5:32pm
 
Machine Name: Hottop KN-8828P

Price Range: circa $1400

Features:
* Fully programmable with 10 roast memory locations
* Batch size of 300g (250g 'optimal' as with the Gene Cafe)
* Roast time between 10 and 24 minutes (21 + 3 minutes of 'plus time') with a maximum temperature of 222 degrees C
* Very quiet roasting process meaning cracks are extremely easy to hear
* Low smoke roasting process due to replacable smoke particle filters, but these add about 50c per roast
* Large fan-forced cooling tray with agitator arm which cools beans from 200C to room temperature in about four minutes

Detail:
The philosophy of the Hottop P controller is 'Program first, then roast'. Before you start the roast, you create a profile using 8 different roasting segments, each of which can have a setting for temperature, time and fan speed. Once you've created the profile it can be given a name and saved into one of 10 non-volatile memory locations. While initial programming is slow, once you've done one you can quickly copy and paste to any of the other memory locations and refine the roast parameters, so subsequent refinements are quick. Once the roast is underway you have limited control, being able only to adjust the temperature of the active segment, unlike the B controller where the roast profile is built by you as you roast. Your program instructs the P controller what temperature to aim for at what point, so you don't have to learn the thermodynamics of the roaster (as you do with the B controller) as the P's brains will take care of actual heater power and gentle ramp up/down of power as required to reach the set point at the required time.

The P is about the closest you can get to a 'set-and-forget' roasting solution. You create the initial program and can then pretty well sit back and watch it follow the program until it's time to eject the roast, only getting involved to accept the safety alerts and to eject the roast. By contrast the B's programs are time-based so it's sometimes necessary to make a change a bit earlier or later time-wise than you may have when you created an initial program (e.g. if ambient temperature is quite different), which means you have to pay a lot more attention to the control panel. With its multi-colour LCD display and upmarket silicon control panel buttons, the P is also a very schmik looking controller, far 'prettier' than the controller on any other domestic roaster be that Hottop or anyone else. Its lower in-roast flexibility compared to the B controller is a minor gripe, however it's a necessary trade-off for a controller of this 'program, then roast' philosophy.

Notes applicable to all Hottops:  
The drum is cooled / heated to 75 degrees C before the start of each roast so the roast always starts at the same temperature. This normally takes about seven to eight minutes from the finish of a roast - five minutes for bean cooling and another couple of minutes to drop the temperature below 75C. These times are approximate if you pull out the rear filter and open the chaff tray a bit during cooling, otherwise it takes about double that. The temperature sensor sits in the roasting chamber, so temperature readouts on the control panel bear a very close correlation to the actual bean temperature. While it's a relatively new controller to the market (released February 2007) , there is no indication of roast memory at this point - and since the controller adjusts heater power to match the requested profile it's unlikely to occur although the real test will come with time. Doesn't deal with chaff particularly well - the finished roast normally has some fragments, and some of what comes off the beans during the roast sits on ledges inside the unit rather than making it to the chaff tray. Build quality generally very good and no recurrent history of problems.

At time of writing, available from Pullman Espresso Accessories via www.thingscoffee.com.au

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Re: Information/Reviews of Roasters
Reply #4 - Jul 21st, 2008, 2:25pm
 
Machine Name: Hottop KN-8828B

Price Range: circa $1200

Features:
* Fully programmable with 3 roast memory locations
* More manual controller than the P
* Batch size of 300g (250g 'optimal' as with the Gene Cafe)
* Roast time between 8 and 25 minutes with a maximum temperature of 222 degrees C
* Very quiet roasting process meaning cracks are extremely easy to hear
* Low smoke roasting process due to replacable smoke particle filters, but these add about 50c per roast
* Large fan-forced cooling tray with agitator arm which cools beans from 200C to room temperature in about four minutes

Detail:
The B controller differs from the P in that it is a very manual controller. This means that the adjustments to roast parameters are performed by the user during the roast, rather than being pre-defined before the roast as you do with the P. The B controller has a colour segmented LED display control panel and 3 memory locations. Before you start the roast, you enter a total roast time and target temperature and start the roast. As this is a manual controller, these are simply 'auto-eject points' rather than 'target time and temperature' - that is, if the roast time or roast temperature reaches either of the points you set, it will be ejected. Of course you can adjust these up or down as required during the roast. Once the roast is underway you then manually control the heater power and fan speed to build a profile as you go. Once the roast has finished you can save the program you just created, however there's no way to edit it at all other than performing another roast and making the adjustments as you go once again. Initially it has a steeper learning curve than the P controller as you have to learn the thermodynamics of the roaster, i.e. how long it takes for a control panel change to show up in the drum. As a result it's easy to stall the first few B roasts while learning this (unless you have some sample programs to refer to), however once you get the hang of it it's the more flexible of the two controllers because you can adjust all parameters at any point in the roast.

While it may not look as fancy as the P controller, it's undoubtedly the most flexible Hottop controller and notably cheaper. The main disadvantage is that you can't erase a program completely and start with an empty program or edit the program upfront. This means if you roast with an existing program (as you often would want to otherwise what's the point in having them) you sometimes have to do battle with the pre-programmed adjustments coming in before you want them, e.g. if you decided you wanted the fan to come on later you'd have to wait for it to automatically turn up and then turn it back down.

Notes applicable to all Hottops:  
The drum is cooled / heated to 75 degrees C before the start of each roast so the roast always starts at the same temperature. This normally takes about seven to eight minutes from the finish of a roast - five minutes for bean cooling and another couple of minutes to drop the temperature below 75C. These times are approximate if you pull out the rear filter and open the chaff tray a bit during cooling, otherwise it takes about double that. The temperature sensor sits in the roasting chamber, so temperature readouts on the control panel bear a very close correlation to the actual bean temperature. While it's a relatively new controller to the market (released July 2007) , there is no indication of roast memory at this point - and since the controller adjusts heater power to match the requested profile it's unlikely to occur although the real test will come with time. Doesn't deal with chaff particularly well - the finished roast normally has some fragments, and some of what comes off the beans during the roast sits on ledges inside the unit rather than making it to the chaff tray. Build quality generally very good and no recurrent history of problems.

At time of writing, available from Pullman Espresso Accessories via www.thingscoffee.com.au

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Re: Information/Reviews of Roasters
Reply #5 - Mar 19th, 2009, 1:27pm
 
Machine name: Imex CR100

Price range: $125 - $140

Features:

* 120gm recommended batch size
* Inexpensive to run
* Compact
* Easy to use
* Built in chaff catcher
* Variable roast timer setting
* Easy to clean

Ideal for newbie roasters, a step up from popcorn machines. Using the air bed method the beans are swirled around for up to 13 minutes (which you can extend by adjusting the timer knob). There is an automatic 4 minute cool down cycle when roasting is completed.

Purpose built in Korea as a home roaster, the machine is good for a couple of roasts per day, which is usually enough for even the most dedicated home coffee drinkers. With no control of the profile, all you can control is the roasting time, and freom very light roasts up to french "toast" are possible. Due to the relatively low heater element wattage, a change in the ambient temperature has a marked effect on roasting times.

With not a lot of smoke production due to the small batch size , the machine can be used inside, for example, under a kitchen exhaust fan. 98% of the chaff is caught in an internal basket, but some tiny flakes usually manage to escape.

With a clear glass lid you can observe the beans as they spin and rotate the timer knob to turn off the heating element before the original set time has elapsed. The machine exterior does get very hot during operation and care is needed, especially if children are around. A minimum 20 minute wait between roasts is recommended by the manufacturer to avoid overheating the element.

At time of writing, available through Vitali Group.
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