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Kees van der Westen Espresso Machines
Jan 21st, 2008, 8:38pm
 
Anyone have links to reviews, test, images of Kees van der Westen's machines  Cry.

The official website is limiting..

Any pricing on these units in AUS - vendors?

Thanks in advance.
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Reply #1 - Jan 21st, 2008, 9:07pm
 
Yeah, they're dead sexy aren't they  Cool

Veneziano import LM so will be able to get them. They are big bucks- think synesso territory..

The sad thing is a 3 group Mistral sold on dodgybay last week for $6k  Cry

Somebody picked up an absolute bargain!
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Reply #2 - Jan 21st, 2008, 9:36pm
 
I don't understand how they don't fall over backwards.   Shocked

The idea of foot-operated steam wands is tre cool!  Cool
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Re: Kees van der Westen Espresso Machines
Reply #3 - Jan 22nd, 2008, 8:08am
 
2mcm wrote on Jan 21st, 2008, 9:07pm:
Yeah, they're dead sexy aren't they  Cool

Veneziano import LM so will be able to get them. They are big bucks- think synesso territory..

The sad thing is a 3 group Mistral sold on dodgybay last week for $6k  Cry

Somebody picked up an absolute bargain!



Damn, that would have looked so out of place in here Chris that people would have HAD to come in to check it out.sheesh 6k.....bugger.
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Re: Kees van der Westen Espresso Machines
Reply #4 - Jan 22nd, 2008, 9:57am
 
Yeah I watched that machine like a hawk, I'm not gonna lie. I was hoping someone on here would have picked it up, just quietly.
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Re: Kees van der Westen Espresso Machines
Reply #5 - Jan 23rd, 2008, 11:06am
 
Dennis wrote on Jan 21st, 2008, 9:36pm:
I don't understand how they don't fall over backwards.   Shocked


They have back legs! C of G would be well forward of them even loaded with Cups

Dennis wrote on Jan 21st, 2008, 9:36pm:
The idea of foot-operated steam wands is tre cool!  Cool


have to be carefull not to steam your toes !!..LOL
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Reply #6 - Jan 25th, 2008, 11:09pm
 
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Anyone have links to reviews, test, images of Kees van der Westen's machines  .


Well, there are a few good photos on Fabien Schmidt's La Potenza site.  It's in German, but you'll be able to feel your way around if you don't speak it.  I checked my blog and I don't have an entry up on Rio Coffee, but I'll try to get it up in a few weeks.  They have a Mirage.  Morgan's coffee also has a Mirage; I'll try to attach a photo to this post.  For some reason, I have had a bit of difficulty getting photos loaded up on my blog using this mac.

As for reviews ... well, I can give you a few quick notes from a few quick uses.  The bastone style actuator is basically a big switch that has a little spring to it, so it gives fantastic feedback and is really easy to use.  The lever steam pedal opens a solenoid and you can throttle the steam knob up or down.  The legs make it easy to wipe under the machine.  Espresso-wise, the Mirages lean towards the thick and gloopy end of the spectrum, but I can't really remember what I thought about clarity of flavour.  At Rio, the shots were quite good, from memory, but I was using a Robur with it and a rather nice blend that Dom had brought back from Japan, where they have access to a lot of coffee that we don't, so there were certainly a lot of other factors contributing to a great cup.  Kees' groups look like very highly modified E61 groups.  One nifty feature is that he has redirected the three-way discharge into the body of the machine and through there into the drain tube, which means that he can then have an adjustable height drip tray.  The new models have a cool mixing manifold in them that helps to keep all of the various things at the temperature that Kees wants them at.  On the bad side, the Mirage seems to have a relatively small boiler and it doesn't hold a lot of cups on top ... I'm not sure how it would handle a massive and sustained rush, but you never know.

As for the Mistral, I'll try and snap a shot of Mecca's next time I'm there.  If past experience is anything to go by, you won't have to wait very long ;P

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Somebody picked up an absolute bargain!


Which generation was it?  Legend has it that Douwe Egberts bought a dozen or so over a decade ago.  Andrew and I tracked down a few of them that had been refurbished and we explored the possibility of getting one of those for Maling Room.  Although they were very cheap, we ultimately decided against it.  These machines were built around early Lineas.  I got in touch with Kees and it would have taken a fair bit of money and effort to soup them up to current specs, so without the ability to actually see them in person we thought it was more prudent to pick up something that would hopefully be a bit more reliable. ... even if only by a little ;P

At that price, the machine is a decent buy, but it would be wasted on someone who wasn't going to pimp it out properly.  Absolute bargain is probably an overstatement.  The glass isn't cheap to replace ... don't even ask how much the canopy costs!

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Reply #7 - Jan 25th, 2008, 11:35pm
 
Hi all,

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Thanks for thinking of us, Chris.

To clarify what's available, the Mistral has had a design change and is currently being manufactured by La Marzocco.  This is the dual-boiler machien.  I gather that they bought the rights to the machine from Kees or something.  The Mirage, in all of its various permutations and combinations, is a heat exchanger machine currently being manufactured by Kees.  In fact, it was lovely to hear that interest in the Mirages has increased to the point where Kees recently moved to a larger factory.  Kees was doing a limited edition run of Speedsters, the single-group dual boiler machine with La Marzocco internals, but I'm not sure if that's over or not.

We sell and support La Marzocco and have done so for a while now.  We have also talked to Kees about importing his lovely machines, but to date haven't made any moves to import any.  This is largely because every Mirage (and Mistral, for that matter) is made to order, so we didn't want to just keep them sitting around in configurations that people are not interested in.  Naturally, we would be just delighted to see if we could get one in for anyone who is seriously interested, particularly seeing as part of the service would include setting it up and bench testing it Wink

Price-wise, as Chris said, these machines aren't cheap.  The Mirage is priced in the ballpark of the LM FB80 with the same number of groups, but the options that you choose will impact on the price.  Kees' prices are in Euro, so y'all get the joy of considering the daily exchange rate when purchasing.  The Mistral is a good deal more expensive than the Mirage.  The Speedster is priced at a few thousand dollars above the GS3.

Buying these machines isn't like going down to Coles for tea and biscuits, either!  The deal is that construction of your machine starts after your order, and deposit, is placed.  They are quite literally built to your specifications ... well ... your choice of specifications from the options available.  (Speaking of which, LM is going to be announcing some new options for the Mistral this year, but I won't spoil the surprise until they make it public.)  This means that there will be quite some time between placing an order, paying a deposit and getting the machine.  In the case of the Mistral, this could be up to a year ... one would think that if it only takes nine months to conceive a child, it wouldn't take that long to make an espresso machine ;P

... so if all of that hasn't scared you off, please feel free to get in touch about a Kees machine!  They are certainly functional works of art that everyone enjoys immensely.

Cheers,

Luca
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Reply #8 - Aug 20th, 2010, 11:28pm
 
was in a cafe in Sydney on Wedensday that had two of these mirage machines.  dead sexy, from the back look like a synesso, barista (nice bloke) mentioned that the problem with the foot steamer was that if the pedal failed, you couldnt fall back to using the tap, therefore rendering the wand redundant
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Re: Kees van der Westen Espresso Machines
Reply #9 - Aug 21st, 2010, 11:16am
 
Toby's in Sydney have them. Just bought some parts from them and they do have stock. hope that helps
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