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    Question Breville Ikon (BES400) replacement?

    Hi All,

    about 8 years ago, the talk on this forum for an entry level home machine was this little beauty.. the breville Ikon.. i took your advice and have been running one for the past 8 years or so, and its been great.... However, its now on its last legs, and i'm looking for a replacement..
    The Ikon did everything i needed it to. i usually just make one coffee at a time for me.. i've already got a semi decent grinder.. so just need a newer machine that matches the qualities of the Ikon,.. prefereably $300 or less, although i could be swayed higher..

    all help / comments appreciated.

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    Bes840 breville is good buying for around that $
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    a quick search seems to indicate this model is also no longer made / being phased out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by simo_b View Post
    a quick search seems to indicate this model is also no longer made / being phased out?
    Even better, you should be able to get a good deal on one then.

    I haven't owned either the BES400 or BES840, but I've used both. They differ in that the BES400 is a small single boiler machine whereas the BES840 uses a thermoblock. Overall the BES840 seemed to be better quality. The materials used for the outer case, the portafilter, the drip tray all just seemed a bit nicer. The portafilter has a bit more heft to it and is actually slightly larger as well at 54mm rather than the 51mm of the older, cheaper Brevilles.
    There's really not much around that's all that good in the $300 range at the moment, but if you can stretch to $500ish you should consider a Sunbeam EM6910 or even a Gaggia Classic if you can find one on sale. Otherwise there's second hand, but that's a whole other ball game really.

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    Thanks Leroy.

    i'm not against runout models or refurbished ones. I'd prefer something with a little bit of a guarantee.. TBH, the Ikon i have was a refurbished one when i bought it.. its last over 8 years so all good.

    i'll have to research boiler vs thermoblock.. i vaguely recall coffee snobs prefering boilers over thermo blocks? hence the reason the ol Ikon was recommended as the best entry level maker back then.. as i'm usually only making one coffee at a time, the single boiler wasn't a problem as its just me drinking..

    To note is i also have a bur grinder already, so if i can find a deal on the sunbeam or Gaggia without packaging with a grinder that may help the price point..

    its hard to justify spending $500 when its just me drinking the coffee and the wife and 3 kids ask how much it was

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    Quote Originally Posted by simo_b View Post
    Thanks Leroy.

    i'm not against runout models or refurbished ones. I'd prefer something with a little bit of a guarantee.. TBH, the Ikon i have was a refurbished one when i bought it.. its last over 8 years so all good.

    i'll have to research boiler vs thermoblock.. i vaguely recall coffee snobs prefering boilers over thermo blocks? hence the reason the ol Ikon was recommended as the best entry level maker back then.. as i'm usually only making one coffee at a time, the single boiler wasn't a problem as its just me drinking..

    To note is i also have a bur grinder already, so if i can find a deal on the sunbeam or Gaggia without packaging with a grinder that may help the price point..

    its hard to justify spending $500 when its just me drinking the coffee and the wife and 3 kids ask how much it was
    Modern thermoblock machines are a LOT better than they were a decade ago. The BES840 will make as good a coffee as your old BES400, so don't worry about that part of the equation too much.
    And yeah, just hunt around for deals- Harvey Norman, Bing Lee, appliance outlets, specialist retailers, eBay....

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    Ok, last question I promise
    I can get refurbished BES840 or EM7000 for about the same price... Which one is more reliable and cost effective to repair? I'm assuming they both make acceptable coffee based on owners here..
    tIA

    Edit: doh... and i've just seen a Gaggia Classic i can get from italy for about $400... so now thats 3 options?! ;/
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    I'd grab the em7000 tbh they make decent coffee and use full size portafilters. Don't buy the second hand classic from Italy. If you want one hold out for one here!

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    The 840 has one thermocoil, the 7000 has two thermoblocks. If you drink milky coffees the 7000 will be a lot faster for them. Don't know much about the Classic, but an old Gaggia Evolution I have used struck me as more difficult than my old BES800 to get good shots or milk out of.

    And as Lukemc said the 7000 has a 58mm portafilter, meaning that if you buy accessories to suit you're more likely to be able to use them on a later machine, and they'll be easier to find.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simo_b View Post
    Ok, last question I promise
    I can get refurbished BES840 or EM7000 for about the same price... Which one is more reliable and cost effective to repair? I'm assuming they both make acceptable coffee based on owners here..
    tIA

    Edit: doh... and i've just seen a Gaggia Classic i can get from italy for about $400... so now thats 3 options?! ;/
    Yep, I'd definitely grab the EM7000 out of this lot. Don't ever buy appliances directly from Europe so count this particular Gaggia Classic out.

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    Sweet. Much appreciated guys! Thanks.

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    Happy coffee!

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    Annnnddd... just to throw a spanner in the works, a reconditioned BES900 came up for $276 so i grabbed that!
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    Quote Originally Posted by simo_b View Post
    Annnnddd... just to throw a spanner in the works, a reconditioned BES900 came up for $276 so i grabbed that!
    Bingo!! Even better. If it's been reconditioned hopefully the couple of little quirks the 900 suffered from were sorted at the same time. You'd better start sifting through the BES900 owners thread for some gems on how to use it best. Nice pick up, if I saw a similar deal I'd jump at it too, they're more like $800 here in NZ.
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    if you have time, could you expand on the little quirks? I'll make sure i ask the shop now, as it comes with 3 month warranty, so if i can get any thing looked at i need to now...

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    Quote Originally Posted by simo_b View Post
    if you have time, could you expand on the little quirks? I'll make sure i ask the shop now, as it comes with 3 month warranty, so if i can get any thing looked at i need to now...
    I've never owned one myself so I can't remember them all sorry. It's all in here - Breville BES900 Dual Boiler - Owners thread

    https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?sha...6&share_type=t

    So get reading!! From memory the portafilter didn't lock in well and needed a new group gasket and/or collar to sort it out. Possibly something about a dodgy o-ring in the steam valve as well. You might find the info if you google 'known Breville BES900 problems' or something. Don't get me wrong, it's a great machine, just can't hurt to have all the info. Enjoy!!

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