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    Quote Originally Posted by bowser View Post
    Anyone have the details on the improved hole size?
    old and new, hard to believe the larger holes make so much difference
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    Do you have anyway of measuring the holes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bowser View Post
    Do you have anyway of measuring the holes?
    The small ones are 0.8mm, haven't bothered to measure the bigger ones

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    thanks, i'll check what mine are tomorrow. I may drill them out to 1.2mm and test

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    mine are 1mm

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    I grabbed a replacement tip today. Factory options are two or four hole; the guys here send the factory two-hole tips to a local place to have a third hole drilled in the centre for people who want a bit more steam performance. It doesn't look noticeably different to my stock two-hole tip otherwise; the holes are perhaps positioned slightly further from the centre, but don't visually look to be any larger.

    What a difference in performance though! Steaming power is now on-par with the LMLM (though of course it won't keep up the power for as long with the smaller boiler).

    Between this and my fast grinders I'm now able to sleep for at least an extra 90 seconds every morning

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    Lots of happier users ☺
    I remember Matt Perger explaining something when talking about his Tampers and the effect of extra 0.05mm; complicated maths, where if a circumference of a circle is increased by just a little, total surface area increases massively.
    I'm guessing it's the same reasoning here..

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    Quote Originally Posted by u2jewel View Post
    Lots of happier users ☺
    I remember Matt Perger explaining something when talking about his Tampers and the effect of extra 0.05mm; complicated maths, where if a circumference of a circle is increased by just a little, total surface area increases massively.
    I'm guessing it's the same reasoning here..


    I may yet drill out the original two-hole tip a little; most of the time I'm using a 350ml jug so really don't need high power. But it's good to know the power is there if needed!
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    I recently reamed out my stock BFC 2 hole tip with welding tip cleaners. Worked a treat if you don't have suitable drill bits. I always assumed that it was slow to steam because I had come from a cimbali junior and was spoilt before. Turns out the 1.3l boiler can hold it's own speed wise if you're doing up to ~400ml

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    Damn you guys, i'm going to have to mod mine now
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    Got the better of me and I drilled a third 1mm hole in the centre. Definitely an improvement, much stronger frothing now. They should come like this from new

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    Quote Originally Posted by bowser View Post
    Got the better of me and I drilled a third 1mm hole in the centre. Definitely an improvement, much stronger frothing now. They should come like this from new
    I've had my machine now for about a month, and suddenly remembered this post.
    My synchronika was shipped from Bella Barista (UK)

    I only realised the other day, but mine came stock with 5 holes!

    All the websites and brochures (that I was looking at) said that it was a 2 hole tip, so I never questioned it.

    Just as you guys might be curious as to how this 5 holer goes, I'm curious how the correct 2 tip is, and have a nagging feeling that maybe 2 is more suited for me. I'm having a hard time taming the vortex.
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    Sorry for the late update.
    I added Pro 500 to the spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

    Still waiting for more information regarding the pre-infusion differences between Profitec, ECM and Rocket
    - Marcus

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    Wow 5 holes would be too much I think. 3 works great.
    you could remove the tip and mix up some metal putty like this Devcon https://www.blackwoods.com.au/part/0...ss-steel-454gm and block up the extra holes
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    Quote Originally Posted by bowser View Post
    Wow 5 holes would be too much I think. 3 works great.
    you could remove the tip and mix up some metal putty like this Devcon https://www.blackwoods.com.au/part/0...ss-steel-454gm and block up the extra holes
    Yeah, with a three-hole tip I've found it's on par with the LMLM. 5 would make life difficult I imagine!

    Espresso Connect had the standard two and four hole tips for $10, so it shouldn't cost much to grab a few and experiment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanax View Post
    Sorry for the late update.
    I added Pro 500 to the spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

    Still waiting for more information regarding the pre-infusion differences between Profitec, ECM and Rocket
    - Marcus
    Some suggested edits:

    Rocket Typo V Vibration
    - Insulated boiler should be yes
    - No-burn steam-arm should be yes
    - No-burn water-arm should be yes
    - Steam tip holes should be 2

    Rocket Appartamento
    - No-burn steam-arm should be yes
    - No-burn water-arm should be yes
    - Steam tip holes should be 2

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    Quote Originally Posted by bowser View Post
    Wow 5 holes would be too much I think. 3 works great.
    you could remove the tip and mix up some metal putty like this Devcon https://www.blackwoods.com.au/part/0...ss-steel-454gm and block up the extra holes
    No need to involve chemicals that may or may not be food safe...

    Devcon.JPG

    Just jam a toothpick into the unwanted hole(s) then break or cut off.

    Mal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dazzy View Post
    Some suggested edits:

    Rocket Typo V Vibration
    - Insulated boiler should be yes
    - No-burn steam-arm should be yes
    - No-burn water-arm should be yes
    - Steam tip holes should be 2

    Rocket Appartamento
    - No-burn steam-arm should be yes
    - No-burn water-arm should be yes
    - Steam tip holes should be 2
    I appreciate it! Updated the document with your suggestions.
    If anyone else has more, keep 'em coming or send me a private message

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    I remember buying two holed tips for my Bezzera years ago. All this stuff is available on the internet. The smaller the holes, the higher the velocity, better foaming but increased times. I preferred these to the standard one on the Bezzera which was for steaming a one litre jug of milk not the 150mls we might use.

    My tip anyway...

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    Yep it's not just the number of holes but their size (total area). The boiler capacity and power also should be matched (can't go too big if the boiler can't keep up).

    My favourite is 4 holes at 1.0mm diameter, have used this over 3 machine. Quite quick and easy to do nice microfoam.

    Cheers

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