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    Looking to buy a new machine

    Hey all

    I am looking to buy a new high end coffee machine. I love flat whites and straight espresso, and often make hot chocolates/lattes for the wife and kids. Initially I was keen on a rotary pump e61 hx machine, but when testing out a bunch of high end machines I have taken notice of the la marzocco linea mini.

    It seems to make a slightly better shot than any of the e61 machines i tried (inc dual boiler PID models), and its steam power put all of the other domestic models to shame. It costs more than what I wanted to spend but the build quality and performance seem to justify the high price point. The only things I don't like about it are the faux paddle and the PID control wheel without digital readout.

    Are there any other machines around this price point that I should be considering that aren't a e61 dual boiler? I've used/owned a wide variety of machines from the crappy thermoblock types to commercial 3 groups and think that the LMLM ticks most of the boxes for me. Its so much money for me though, so I am a little nervous about getting the right machine, especially since I plan on having it for a long time!

    Thanks!

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    Have you considered an LMLM modded by Rick Bond? Adds another $1100 or so to the price but adds a lot more functionality
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    I have owned a lmlm for quite a while so feel free to ask any ownership/use questions to help you decide if its for you
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    Beaten to the punch by level3ninja, but yes there is paddle mod available through Rick Bond here in Melbourne.

    Feel free to contact us if you would like details like details on the LM and /or mods

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    and i can vouch for that rick bond mod. very good machine with that and perfect for what you want it for.

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    As can I. That and the PID shot Timer/temp display mod is awesome. Can not say enough good things about it now that Rick has waved his magic wand over it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by level3ninja View Post
    Have you considered an LMLM modded by Rick Bond? Adds another $1100 or so to the price but adds a lot more functionality
    Yes! His mod is amazing, however I can't really afford the mini so stretching another 1100 plus shipping to/from nz is a bit much. My plan would be to do the mod myself in a few years when I have some spare money. Luckily I am pretty handy with electronics and tools.

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    I have owned a lmlm for quite a while so feel free to ask any ownership/use questions to help you decide if its for you
    Is there anything that annoys you about it? How bright do you find the LED lights for the water/boiler? How unforgiving do you find it relative to other machines you have owned/used (if any)? I pulled damn good shots after 2 shots of dialing it in and didn't do any bad ones, however I had been playing with machines all day so was pretty in the zone with my barista-ness.

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    My GS3 has been modified by Rick highly recommend. The lmlm was what I was considering before I picked up the GS3 awesome setup and looks so cool.

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    i do think the LMLM is forgiving. my experience of it has been that i rarely make bad coffees with it. and that is in regard to the shots i pull as well as the milk i froth. i never ever notice the lights. i don't adjust the temperature on the side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duffybeers View Post
    Yes! His mod is amazing, however I can't really afford the mini so stretching another 1100 plus shipping to/from nz is a bit much. My plan would be to do the mod myself in a few years when I have some spare money. Luckily I am pretty handy with electronics and tools.



    Is there anything that annoys you about it? How bright do you find the LED lights for the water/boiler? How unforgiving do you find it relative to other machines you have owned/used (if any)? I pulled damn good shots after 2 shots of dialing it in and didn't do any bad ones, however I had been playing with machines all day so was pretty in the zone with my barista-ness.
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    LED's - They throw some light. Probably more than they need to. Fine for me though. I watch TV in the open plan area where the LMLM sits and at night don't find it distracting. Have it sitting next to a Mythos One which throws much more light and even the Mythos isn't distracting....

    How forgiving - I run mine at 6 bar with standard (no) preinfusion and virtually never see anything other than a picture perfect pour. Thinking back to when I ran it at 9 bar there was the occasional spray from the naked pf, but my technique has evolved since then so the better technique combined with the 6 bar pressure means that my initial temptation to go for pre-infusion mods etc.. is no longer there.

    Annoyances - Water reservoir could be bigger, the lack of clarity of the temp dial, doesn't come with a naked pf (I chopped mine).

    Overall, its awesome. After you have decided the brew temp for a particular bag of beans you basically forget about the machine, and it just goes on delivering brew water at the designated temp and pressure, and lots and lots and lots of steam.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duffybeers View Post
    Hey all

    I am looking to buy a new high end coffee machine. I love flat whites and straight espresso, and often make hot chocolates/lattes for the wife and kids. Initially I was keen on a rotary pump e61 hx machine, but when testing out a bunch of high end machines I have taken notice of the la marzocco linea mini.

    It seems to make a slightly better shot than any of the e61 machines i tried (inc dual boiler PID models), and its steam power put all of the other domestic models to shame. It costs more than what I wanted to spend but the build quality and performance seem to justify the high price point. The only things I don't like about it are the faux paddle and the PID control wheel without digital readout.

    Are there any other machines around this price point that I should be considering that aren't a e61 dual boiler? I've used/owned a wide variety of machines from the crappy thermoblock types to commercial 3 groups and think that the LMLM ticks most of the boxes for me. Its so much money for me though, so I am a little nervous about getting the right machine, especially since I plan on having it for a long time!

    Thanks!
    Hi Duffy Beers,

    The LMLM is a fantastic machine that is superbly built both for quality and longevity. It has good temp stability and milk frothing as well as making a great shot. If it is out of your budget and you still want a high quality new machine my business specialises in both LaMarzocco and Wegas, you might like to check out the Wega Mininova Classic which has a E61 group head, HX and can be plumbed in with rotary pump or tank with vibratory pump. For mid $2000 this machine comes with the unbreakable Wega build quality, gorgeous looks and makes a killer shot. Let me know either way if you choose the LMLM or Wega, we supply both. Check on the website below

    https://spicebean.com.au

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    Thanks Mike. I live in NZ so shipping will probably be a killer...

    Also I had another play on the LMLM today at the tauranga coffee festival, and have decided to buy it. It's such a joy to use and nothing in that price range can compare as far as I can tell. The fact that several stalls were using them didn't hurt either. I'm going to try to get to Auckland next weekend to pick it up. I'm so excited!

    Semi-related, does anyone want to buy a kidney or one of my kids?

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    It really is awesome

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    My latest update: I have placed my order, transferred the money and in three sleeps I will pick up my new linea mini. Whoop!

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    Duffy, just by reading your posts I feel excited for you. I am also interested in getting one that is once I've saved enough money.

    Btw, I have done some research on the GS3 (pre manometer models) and LM and I found that they do not have cool touch steam wand. Is that true? Without that feature, will the steam wand be burning hot?
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    Quote Originally Posted by desachan View Post
    Duffy, just by reading your posts I feel excited for you. I am also interested in getting one that is once I've saved enough money.

    Btw, I have done some research on the GS3 (pre manometer models) and LM and I found that they do not have cool touch steam wand. Is that true? Without that feature, will the steam wand be burning hot?
    Yes it is true that the GS3 does not have a cool touch steam wand but the latest GS3 will have one once it hits our shores. The steam wand will be burning hot with no cool touch but its not a big deal because you can have a teflon sock added onto the wand. This is quite common in cafes as many commercial machines don't have cool touch wands.

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    Hi Mike, thanks for sharing.
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    Yea I have never had an issue with a burn-me steam wand but I can understand why you might want a no-burn one
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    congrats on the new purchase...careful not to unpack at night. You might not be able to get to sleep until morning with all the testing of the machine
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    I picked it up and have been playing with it all afternoon. It's every bit as good as I imagined. Dialling in my coffee with something so consistent was great. Got the grind/dose/tamp right and then a few clicks on the temp wheel and I was in heaven. My roaster hooked me up with some Guatemala El Socorro which made the most amazing shot. It was like a coffee flavoured cloud, smooth and silky with a nicely lingering aftertaste. Coffee nirvana
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    Ahh congrats, have been following the thread, super exciting getting a new machine, have fun with that beast!!
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    wow haven't seen the chromed LMLM before. it looks great! sounds like you've already got it working A1. well done and good luck with it.
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    Congrats. It is an absolute beauty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duffybeers View Post
    I picked it up and have been playing with it all afternoon. It's every bit as good as I imagined. Dialling in my coffee with something so consistent was great. Got the grind/dose/tamp right and then a few clicks on the temp wheel and I was in heaven. My roaster hooked me up with some Guatemala El Socorro which made the most amazing shot. It was like a coffee flavoured cloud, smooth and silky with a nicely lingering aftertaste. Coffee nirvana
    Super sexy, congrats!!!
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    Thanks everyone. I still can't get over the amazing coffee that this thing is producing. I just had a fellow coffee lover over and they were blown away with it as well. After the massive disappointment that was the BDB I finally have a machine that makes coffee the way I knew it could taste. I wish I could make you all a drink or 2 so you could experience it too!
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    Looks great.. my new toy arrived the other day, a shiny new Alex Leva but I need to wait till September until I can play with (anniversary present) and I cannot wait to give it and the Atom a good work out

    Enjoy the new toy ��
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    Nice! I'd love to have a good play on a decent lever one day. I had a go on the europiccola once but didn't like the temp management issues. Eventually I'd love to have an old caravel and PID it.

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    hey duffybeers, what is the BDB?

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    BDB is Breville Dual Boiler (BES900 or BES920)

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    After the most caffeinated week of my life I am still very happy with the new machine. I think my grinder is in need of replacement now, but meh, that is how it seems to work with a coffee obsession. Here are a few things that have stuck out to me this week.

    -I received the bottomless pf that they forgot to include (added extra) and surprisingly found that I was consistently getting a dry spot in the middle of the pf. I forced myself to scoop out some of the middle grounds from the basket and now I am getting great looking pours. Taste hasn't improved but getting slightly more volume.

    -After my initial concerns with the temp wheel I have come to really like it. It makes the machine look classier imo and I don't find it annoying to not be able to read the temp. I never adjust it more than 3 clicks at a time anyway (so far). It feels more intuitive than using a digital display and buttons like the BDB. Too hot, a couple clicks on the wheel towards me and too cool a couple clicks away. Easy as. A readout with shot timer would be good still though.

    -Along the same lines, I really like the paddle. It just feels right and is so much nicer than a switch/button.

    -Factory pre-infusion was a bit of a let down, as it isn't a 1 sec on, one off and go. It is actually 2 secs of purging brew boiler pressure and then turn pump on. With pressure set at 9 bar there is v little water coming through in those 2 secs and at the factory 12 bar it still isn't very much. I'm getting great results in the cup though so I'm not too bothered.

    -Steam pressure wasn't as good as the demo unit initially, as the boiler was set to 1.5bar. I have turned it back up to 2 bar and it is working as expected, lots and lots of steam

    -The usable size of the water reservoir isn't good enough, and is my main/only real complaint. The sensor is so high up and the reservoir small enough that the usable volume is small and I seem to be constantly filling it. I am definitely going to plumb it in at some stage.

    -For a 5k machine the stainless used for the drip tray grill and cup warmer top is too thin.

    -Again for a 5k machine the sticker on the drip tray advertising bottled water was out of place and has left a slight mark from removing it. Also the water/brew boiler light stickers are out of line with each other. Really not good enough but easily fixed.

    -Build quality is amazing otherwise, and I reckon the inside is as sexy as the outside. Seriously I haven't seen another machine with such tidy internals (not in real life anyway).

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    That's a good summary. How much more water is left when the refill indicator lights up?

    I like LM because of the front access water tank and the quick heat up time. It fits nicely between the bench and kitchen cabinet. As most of the coffee machine you have to draw the tank out from the top, I find that it is very restrictive especially for those who has low kitchen cabinets.

    Have you tested the heat up time? I saw a YouTube video showing 6-8mins heat up and 20-25 mins for steam pressure.

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    I just measured ~1.7L usable capacity. Hmm maybe I was a bit harsh and have just been making that many coffees. Front access is nice for sure. One thing I forgot to mention earlier is the drip tray design. It's awesome. The magnets lock it down and makes the machine feel so much more solid. Reviews had mentioned it but I found it still better than expected. The clarity in my shots isn't quite there, but I'm 99% sure that it is a grinder issue.

    Heat up time is phenomenally good coming from an e61 machine. I haven't timed it but I'm pretty sure it is good to go in 15 mins.

    Overall I think that this is the machine for people like me who just want to interact with the coffee and not obsess over details like preinfusion time, temp, pressure profiling, flow rates etc. Of the reviews I read there are 2 comments that really seem to ring true for me regarding this machine:

    "This is a barista's espresso machine. If you're a barista, first and foremost, I'm going to predict you're likely to love it."
    http://www.home-barista.com/reviews/...ew-t35065.html

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    "Boring. The LMLM is basically just the same thing everytime. Flow is just right. Temp control seems spot on. It just works. Set the temp, grind, distribute and tamp properly, lock the filter in and turn the switch (paddle). And the coffee will be just right. Nuances of the blend (or single origin) shining through and appropriate body/thickness/syrupy based on ratio/timing I choose to shoot for."
    http://www.home-barista.com/espresso...5.html#p544241

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