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Thread: Hypothetically......

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    Hypothetically......

    Let's imagine that someone has just blown the budget on a dream machine,

    which is in a different state of Australia, very heavy, unsighted, unknown, but hey, it's a dream come true so I've had to buy it - (hypothetically, of course)....

    how would one THEORETICALLY go about shipping such a coffee machine??

    Would a shipping company be able to strap such a beast to a pallet ?
    Would I get the hypothetical seller to pack it?
    What kind of shipping companies do this sort of stuff - clearly not Aus Post or Fastway....?

    Bearing in mind of course that this is all COMPLETELY HYPOTHETICAL and I would never ever EVER blow the savings on such a rash purchase in reality. Ever. I promise, my lovely wife, I would never do that.

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    Haha, sarcasm much?

    Answer - depends on the machine. My Profitec Pro 800 was in a shipping box that weighed 30 ish kg. So you would technically need to have an assisted lifting device (forlift or jack) but i picked her up with my bare hands - the wife refused to help in case she dropped it and was the causation of damaged to my precious.
    But you will be able to get a courier to do it all for you. Hopefully it has a box and some padding?

    fastway would be able to, but so would TNT or toll (or any others) but maybe not Auspost. They will be able to pack it, but at a premium for sure. Get postal insurance though! don't want those savings gone from a careless driver!
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    Did you consider or factor the price of shipping into the budget? I personally would want to make sure it is shipped correctly even if it cost more.. Hypothetically speaking....
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    We ship machines Australia wide and generally everything goes smoothly.

    If it is over 20kg i would look for freighters other then the normal courier companies (ie not Fastways, Couriers Please or Aust Post). If it is under 20kg then the standard companies should handle it.

    However if the machine is over 20kg then it will need to be strapped to a pallet and will technically require a pallet lift for on/off.

    TNT or Transdirect are worth talking to

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    cheers everyone.

    It is second hand, so a bit of an imposition to ask the seller to do it, but clearly I might have to. Whether that, or taking it to a freighter to be packaged up is definitely in the budget, as is the insurance.

    Maybe I should get them to drop it off at a fellow Coffeesnob for appropriate bubblewrapping.

    On second thoughts, it would never be sent if I did that, they'd keep it.


    fastway would do it? I'm not sure that is the case - I think 25kgs is usually the limit.

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    Transdirect website looks good - thanks for that recommendation.
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    Also check out "couriersandfreight"
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    Quote Originally Posted by nickR View Post
    Transdirect website looks good - thanks for that recommendation.
    Transdirect will find the best carrier for you at a good price regardless of weight

    However be extra careful with packaging, use a heavy box, plenty of padding and strap it to a pallet.

    Its worth spending some money on packaging particularly if the original box is not available

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    One other thought...


    Try Pack and Send, they will pack it for you..

    Might be the best option if you cant pack yourself

    Cheers

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    How far away from you is this imaginary machine? It might be worth a road trip to go and get it yourself, or see if there is an obliging 'snob that is heading from the general direction of this machine towards your place? Hypothetically speaking of course.
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    I M A G I N E .....you know Nick I reckon dont give up on that...there could be a song in that
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    A few more words. a chorus, a bit of rhythm .... never know

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lovey View Post
    How far away from you is this imaginary machine? It might be worth a road trip to go and get it yourself.
    If it's truly your dream machine this is the best answer

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    I've had the experience (pleasure) of buying used off of a CS'er. The far majority here are excellent to deal with.
    My seller was exceptional. He kept all the original Packing and Skip.
    I used E-Go Transport and travelled near on 2000 km. Mine arrived as new.

    The main things are - ask / negotiate for it to be packed the same as a new one,
    as Antony does with his shipments.

    The skip (pallet) is made to size plus 50 -100 mm extra on all 4sides as a protective measure.
    If your seller does not have the OEM packing ( yes very unlikely) you could ask him if he is prepared to pick up discarded packing from a Big Box retailer.
    Its not that gee -wiz. Just a normal heavy duty box. Cut folded and Duct taped to size.
    Pack the P/F etc etc and other small loose bits in a small container made of coolite.
    The skip is easily hand made out of a discarded std Pallet.
    Tie the Box to the Skip with FibreGlass Tape.

    ALSO tag the box with A4 labels -
    "Stow on Top',
    DO NOT Pack on Top of'. (can't recall exactly how this was said)
    'Caution - Handle with Care, Treat Like Eggs'.

    Those labels seem to work.
    *Also pay for Insurance. Its worth the one off extra expense.

    All the best with the purchase and enjoying the home coffee ride.

    Oh & as for how to go about explaining any future monthly 'Budget Imbalance'....Well Good Luck with That !
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    Quote Originally Posted by EspressoAdventurer View Post

    Oh & as for how to go about explaining any future monthly 'Budget Imbalance'....Well Good Luck with That !
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    I think this might be the most problematic bit of the whole operation!

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    Before shelling out for insurance make sure that used goods are covered under it. In the US every shipping company I'm aware of only covers new items under the shipping insurance. If you buy insurance on a used item no matter what the value on it you pay for the only thing that's actually covered should a claim be filed is the postage cost.


    Java "Read the fine print!" phile
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    Hypothetically if you were buying a dream machine, what would it be?

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    Great advice by Expresso Adventurer on using a Skid or Pallet. Good luck on your purchase
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    Quote Originally Posted by Janus View Post
    Hypothetically if you were buying a dream machine, what would it be?
    Don't worry, all shall be revealed as soon as it is in my hot little hands...
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    Update - small deposit paid, road trip planned !!!

    Actually an air trip, not road, and wrestling to the freight terminal on whatever form of transport I can get.

    A sneak peek, it's "guess that machine" time:

    sneakpeek.jpg
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    Some variant of the Elektra Sixties two group?

    I was very close to buying an ex cafe one of those, I really like the style. It would be an ideal contender for a steampunk conversion.
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    Elektra Sixties.... nice

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    Gee, way too easy huh...


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    Quote Originally Posted by nickR View Post
    Gee, way too easy huh...

    Yep, the lever tap gives it away.
    Pity it's not the lever group version, although finding one of those would be even harder as they have not been available in that version for a while.
    We've got one in use in the workshop - a compact 2 group version, although technically it's a 'fat' 1 group version now as one group has had a bunch of parts 'borrowed' from it to fix a customer's machine!
    This is what the lever version looks like (not the best pic, but they are rare enough that pics are hard to find):
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    Depends how heavy, (i'll assume its strapped to a pallet).
    I would contact trucking companies, not couriers. There is always a good chance of a loaded semi with some room to spare.
    You would get a very good rate and less chance of having a smashed machine arriving!
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    Quote Originally Posted by noidle22 View Post
    Some variant of the Elektra Sixties two group?

    I was very close to buying an ex cafe one of those, I really like the style. It would be an ideal contender for a steampunk conversion.
    Who needs to convert when Elektra make THIS !



    CAEF7A80-A556-4139-96ED-109D65BD5A4D.jpg
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    And to finish off the hypothetical thread... not so hypothetical anymore.

    Not a Belle Epoque riforma limited edition, a 2 group T3 compact.

    Pics and thread with my cleaning and descaling adventures to follow (it’s a bit older than I was led to believe). That’s after it gets here of course. If anyone needs tips on how to transport a 50kg machine via Uber and qantas freight, I’m the person to talk to...

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