The arm of the 102 is thicker:
The 102 is rounder:
The arm of the 102 is thicker:
The joining of the 2 head pieces are about at half the thickness of the front screw lodge on the 102, about a 1/3 up on the 104. (dont worry lucio if you didnt understand that one, i am not sure i understand myself what i say... thats pure Viennese English) anyway, a picture is worth a thousand words:
The Coffee filter holder looks also different, more protubing on the 102 (prevents dripping i suppose). Filter is smaller on the 102 and conical.
Youll Notice a DETAIL:
LOOK at the inserts of the Filter holder!!!! Like on the Robbiatis, the 102 has got its inserts 90° rotated compared with the Bakelite Arm!
On the 104, these inserts are in the same line like the arm.
Before i show you my jugs, guys... a important point: The Bakelite Knob entry (im sounding like an erotik book now... for that i have no idea what its called)... lets say the Water filler hole, well it is the same size as the Robbiatis on the 102!!!! The turn intensity is different though (= the number of turn per cm)... but i can put a robbiati Knob in the 102 about 1cm, which is IMPOSSIBLE on the 104. Was the 102 strictly made to the patent specifications before Desider Stern decided to do his own thing???
And the Jugs...
Before i allow you to criticize me...
i just compare 2 machines that had 2 different lifes, 2 different owners... it might be that they had replacement parts...
I though it would give a rough idea, a little approach on the subject.
Sure things will look more accurate when i will have 20 pieces of each kind.
I didnt Comment on the Bakelite Pieces (Knob or Filter Arm) as my point of view is that its quite random... they probably got replaced the most. like the Jugs .... on the photo you posted the jug has straight walls... which is not the case of the one i found.
Was the Full filter arm there before the the Hollow one? i suppose. Thats as well the case on the Photo you posted of the Stella Atomic family.
So, I hear from you all later.
Stella... where is Frederick? yes ok, i apologise for what i said... that was not very clever of me, but i was under emotion of angerness for not finding information... and knowing that someone in outerspace (canada) probably had a few ideas about it all, that made me furious, thats all.
Anyway... if someone can give him the directions to this Blog. it would be funny to have him onboard. And Greet him from me.
If i wasnt so forgetfull, i would just be able to carry on with my normal life and go to the post office, there is a parcel from my parents waiting from me. but no. i have to continue this close-to-monolog.
I promised the pictures of the Robbiati (A):
Cute isnt it?
First picture schows:
the (B), 102, 104, the (C) (thats no official name) in the Middle the (A)
The second picture: The (B) and the (A)
The Third: The (C) and the (A)
The Forth: The Water tank size of the (A) and the (C)
My (B) and (C) have the same water tank diameter.
So, the post office is closing in 15minutes. i rather go now.
Kisses from Austria,
Your pictures look like a performance of Swan Lake ;D
Nice dance & equally nice machines ;)
The choreography took me all morning... the last figure was a balance act of a kind!Originally Posted by 4C6861616262584C68746A68070 link=1220240609/205#205 date=1263297018
KK thanks for being so supportive since the first post i sent.
Good Gracious Stella,
You are correct about my Stella- I will revise the list accordingly...
well done- great display of Atomics. What I like about your images is that it is obvious you have been using the machines to actually make coffee.
I am amazed by this little one! This is a Robbiati A? This is the A label you have pictured above? I dont think I have ever seen that one before. I have often dreamed of a tiny Atomic... I must have one... It belongs at the beginning of my row... with the Martian at the end- and the double headed Stella in the middle...
how many of these machines have you found in the last few days? Very good hunting-
remember: I will buy your duplicates ;-)
I just registered on this forum. I am Desider Sterns daughter and I am really moved by reading your posts ... 3 years ago Frederick was in touch with my youngest son and shortly also with me, but then we lost track. So here I am again, the so-called "Venus".
:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
A very warm welcome to Coffee Snobs S SternOriginally Posted by 1F20313C213D0A062130273B550 link=1220240609/208#208 date=1263306318
What a small world it is
;D ;D ;D Youre lucky. That day i didnt play tennis with it.Originally Posted by 544855554249534E4946444841414242270 link=1220240609/207#207 date=1263305165
The little one is the Robbiati (A) i took a picture of earlier on.
Ive seen it on another webpage... without the (A) badge though (i think a Croci one) ... i have the pictures, but i cant find the webpages anymore.
Lucio? could it be your Kitchen???
I post a few pix... sorry for the copyrights if any.
Now, i would like Venus to take this Thread by a storm with Revelations of great importance... but i do imagine her now, searching in tons of old papers or taking pictures of her coffee machine display... unless shes re-reading the whole thread again.
Anyhow, im very glad to have her here and i do refresh the page every 30 seconds to see if she didnt post anything yet.
Sorrentina, the next machines i find are for you.
Thank you so much for the warm welcome to all of you. I am so proud to be my fathers daughter.
We will keep in touch.
Welcome Judith.Originally Posted by 1A25343924380F032435223E500 link=1220240609/212#212 date=1263322633
Any of your fathers tips for coffee preparation using Atomic coffee makers that you could might share with us?
?????Originally Posted by 545E4B5C5C534741320 link=1220240609/213#213 date=1263325183
Its all about "trial and error", a life long or a bit less if youre lucky.
Stella recommends Flynn to read the thread from the start... i dont want to be rude but i think youve missed the point Flynn.
No, I didnt miss the point. The thread is about the various Atomic makers and the variations on the theme that they produced.Originally Posted by 1433222B2B2669102E22296976470 link=1220240609/214#214 date=1263330012
My comment was a form of welcome to Judith. Perhaps a bit too subtle and I should have added a ;) at the end but thanks for the link anyway.
Hello there Judith! and welcome!
I also emailed briefly with your son (Dominic) a year or two ago- I think he was in South America at the time- Brazil? He sent me the photos of the Stella coffee makers that I have posted above.
You certainly should be proud of your Father- he was a truly great 20th Century designer. I have several of his creations in my collection. I have been studying these coffee machines for years now, and until recently there was hardly any information available concerning the Stella company anywhere. Here in Australia the Stella coffee makers are very rare- but the Italian made Atomic coffee makers are quite well known... many people thought that all atomic coffee makers were made in Italy- and your fathers creations were not getting the respect and credit they deserved.
I have always been interested between the links between the Stella company and the Italian Brevetti Robbiati company: if you know anything about your fathers relationship with Giordano Robbiati of Milano- I would love to find out.
Also my favorite machine designed by your father is the double headed 101E Atomic: I managed to find one in Germany last year and have it sent to Australia. I think it belongs in a design museum and that may be where it ends up one day. The one I got was in beautiful condition- however unfortunately when it was shipped a small part was broken. I know it is very unlikely but I wonder if perhaps you have any old bits and pieces left from the Stella workshop? I can send you an image of the part I need.
Stella: I have seen images of the Croci machines before- but I didnt realise they were so small...
It looks as if these were the very first Atomic type machines manufactured- except for perhaps the Elekta...
Just to keep things interesting there is another rare coffee machine that perhaps should be added to this debate. This machine clearly has some relationship to the Atomic design- but beyond its appearance and these images I know nothing about who manufactured it:
Fascinating stuff to read and be part of - Stella your knowledge is amazing and the fact that youre willing to share it is great.
Stella Stern it must be an amazing feeling to be part of a dynasty with your father held in such awe.
Im looking forward to a book from one of you...
Hi Flynn, Frederick and Springbok,
thank you so much for you warm welcome to this site. I must apologize for my "rare" presence, but I teach the whole day and only get home late in the evening.
I am overwhelmed by your words about my beloved father and cant even express my feelings when reading your lines.
All of my fathers files and papers are with me and very soon I will start to go through all of it. Frederick, the machine you posted, is now displayed in my home in Israel. What part would you need? I have some parts of machines, which I found at my fathers home.
Best regards and thanks once more for your warm welcome and please forgive me my "rare" presence on this site.
All the best from Vienna and keep in touch!
Yeah! Its my kitchen. *No copyrights *;D ; with you its not suitable.Originally Posted by 0C2B3A33333E7108363A31716E5F0 link=1220240609/211#211 date=1263317567
Im really impressed about the wind of freshness you have carried out from Austria.
Thank you Stella, you have awaken up most of us.
Since Im from Triest, and my grampa was austrian and FJ nostalgic, I feel *double-linked with you. ;)
Wellcome to Judith, well wait for every small information you will remind. 8-)
Jack , here is my 110 E after the restoration. Lot of work , well paied. Ive done several coffees *;D
.. and some more pics... :)
the machine is complete : 2 jugs (as usual... *;D), *3 single cup filter (one is spare) , 3 double cups filters , and 2 strange dishes with a centered hole (more pics will follow on my Blog asap as well as the rebuild description)
[movedhere] The (Coffee Equipment) Collectors Thread [move by] Mal.
Not as sexy as the 110E maybe...Originally Posted by 495548485F544E53545B59555C5C5F5F3A0 link=1260377965/60#60 date=1263305165
Dont you have a similar one Lucio?
Yes, its the same, but I dont have the black base. *:-[Originally Posted by 1B3C2D242429661F212D266679480 link=1260377965/76#76 date=1263554684
what is it made of? wood? bakelite ?
this is the link : http://caffettiere.blogspot.com/2009...type-402e.html 8-)
click on the right to translate.
Yes... the base is made out of bakelite, with 3 rubber feet and is printed Stella Austria Wien Austria patent.Originally Posted by 544E40380 link=1260377965/77#77 date=1263558652
I havent got the jug nor the wire... :-[ for the wire, i can find it easily... but the jug, that is impossible... :( it must be very small too.
Im on my way to town to hunt a bit... Since Sorrentinacoffee posted the pictures of the Stella collection, i have a little voice in my brain saying: " these machines must be there, somewhere, go and get it".
Have a nice day!
OK- this is good- I was thinking this thread needed to be split off...
Just to clarify- there is some confusion: Judith- I am not Frederick- my name is Jack- I am a friend of Frederick and I also spoke to your son a while back.
Frederick is still out there watching over things...
Thankyou for your offer to look for the parts for my 110E machine. Here are some pictures of the broken part- it is a sight glass for the water level in the boiler. I need the glass and an the outer metal housing. It would be amazing if there are some old ones still stored away- other than this damage my machine is complete and in perfect condition:
I agree... i do miss the sassoon pictures and a few other ones... it would be mixing a bit *the thread... but i really think they belong here. so please post them again. stella PS: from when on is this thread going to be divided in the Stella Collectors Thread ? :)Originally Posted by 120E1313040F15080F00020E07070404610 link=1260377965/79#79 date=1263564230
Lucio: Bravo! quanto meraviglioso!
what a great restoration of your 110E. I finally looked at mine and it has the serial number: 863- so very close to your machine.
Can I ask: how was the coffee? ;-) The only shame is that they didnt put a steam arm on? I think you could attach one on the pressure gauge pipe?
On my machine the black lever is pointing up and is stuck there. I have not tried hard to move it yet. Was yours like that? Did you need to disassemble the boiler to replace any seals anywhere? Also did the big red light come on when you used it? This I have to know... What a great big red light it is.
It is interesting- in the Stella product list above- the 110E there is listed as atomic and if you look carefully you can see that the label on the top of the machine is the atomic label. But I love the font on the Stella label- classic Western font.
Stella: nice little machine- now you have only 20 more or so to get! They are out there... I am sure of it. You know you need to find 2 of the model 105? One for you- and one for me ;-)
I feel confident they will start to pop up all over the place- that is how these things work. Seek and ye shall find. Know what you are seeking and you will find it all the quicker.
Stella I have seen your miniature Atomic- now I think I should post a picture of my Martian machine- the BIGGEST Atomic of them all:
and the Martian alone:
OK Stella- we do need to have the Sassoons represented here, I agree:
Fist I will post the first UK manufactured Atomic- the early Sassoon with no steam arm:
And then the complete Sassoon- with steam arm, cherry red steam knob, and bakelite jug cover:
If we read between the lines...
A Dan Brown story is uprising. Ive find something else, but Ill not reveal anything under torture ;D . (just on pm ...)
Jack, you are really young, I believed you were like Doug (orphanespresso) ;)
So I have to reply ..... with a coverboy ;D
Boys and their toys...
;D ;D ;D
Allright... cool down... as i said already, its just coffee machines...
if you want to get Girls... switch to either a nice powerful car or a cute little dog...
Coffeemachines??? Come on Boys!!! that doesnt do it.
"Come to my place, ill show you my collection of coffee machines" :-?
Sometimes it could work ;DOriginally Posted by 4C6B7A73737E3148767A71312E1F0 link=1260377965/86#86 date=1263668218
Its a dirty job, but somebody has to do it
We save these small jewels from the garbage. 8-)
Jack, you will have to became "crazy" 8-) to repair the sight glass.Originally Posted by 130F1212050E14090E01030F06060505600 link=1260377965/79#79 date=1263564230
You must remove the cap to disassembly the blocking nuts inside the boiler. :-X
Please, check if the central pin-safety valve has a tiny hole to discharge the pressure. Mine hasnt got one.
I must remember that line Stella
would you like to come up and see my coffee machines ..."
LVX - very impressive - I must say I think Trieste is the most beautiful city I have been in..
Good luck with your coffee ventures.
Question 1) How come the red light on the Martian and the Stella 110E be so similar??? confusing. could you send pictures of the 2 red lights?
Question 2) well its no question, i woke up this morning and looked at my order form for "Atomic espresso grind special kenya blend coffee" and looked if the Kenya Coffee Company still existed:
Just go to the Kenco Coffee Company web site (check the About us - History)
I still sent them an email to ask from which beans and what mix was the "Atomic espresso grind Special". Do you think they have archives? well, who knows?
Question 3: I forgot what i wanted to ask... nothing new.
Question 4: Do you think like me that the Stella 110E was made for Bars? The electric plug is in front of the one making coffee... and not behind. It was put on the bar, or? *From what i can see, thats the only one produced for Commercial use... the other ones look like private use. Its difficult to judge the size of the Stella on the picture. It looks like the 105 could make 3 liters of coffee. Ill have to ask Venus to put all this in perspective maybe when i meet her next month.
Greetings from the most beautiful City - after Triest of course. *;)
You know that line would work everyone that hangs around here Stella!Originally Posted by 6E495851515C136A545853130C3D0 link=1260377965/86#86 date=1263668218
Im really loving this thread, the close-up shots comparing models and their differences is really amazing and will be a great tool for those that are trying to mix and match different parts to of a collection.
Its also interesting to read. Excellent effort everyone!
I allow myself to translate the mail i recently received from *Judith Stern.
so let me present you:
The Latest News from Venus:
well, it will last a while till i can put order in the documents, but before that happens, ill answer to a few questions, from the stories i heard from my father.
My Father began the production of Espresso machines in Budapest, where he lived during and as well after the WWII. Unfortunately, i dont know if these were produced under the name Stella or under the name Qualital. Maybe ill find documents about this matter. My Father had his brother in Law as a colleague, who stayed in Budapest and still produced thereafter espresso Coffee machines. His Name was Imre Simon. Unfortunately, i dont know where his sons, who i personaly knew, live today.
My Father came to Vienna (1948 or 1949, this i have to research) and set there and carried on with the production of Stellas.
My father let the machines be patented, but i dont know in which years, and if it was after Robbiati or not. About this, im certain to have documents. I do believe i can remember that there have been a letter correspondence between Robbiati and my father, but about it im not certain; i would have to look in his papers.
So thats it for your questions for the moment.
Greetings as well to all the "Fans" of my father on the Coffee thread site,
##### Thats all Folks! #####
Well... there i might need some help... because i cant speak hungarian:
I found information about Simon Imre (on there appears names like atomic, stella and bambi...),
Anyone for transaltion???
Értékelés: Még nincs értékelve.
(Keszthely, 1906. júl. 26. - Bp., 1983. okt. 10.): gépészmérnök. Keszthelyi orvos fia, Simon Böske, Magyarország szépségkirályn[ch337]je és Miss Európa (1929) bátyja. M[ch369]egyetemi tanulmányait Németországban (Mitvajda) végezte. Pályafutását ott kezdte háztartási gépek technológiájának tanulmányozásával. 1932-t[ch337]l Bp.-en folytatta munkáját. Nevéhez f[ch369]z[ch337]dik számos kávéf[ch337]z[ch337] géptípus feltalálása és szabadalmaztatása (Atomic, Bambi, Electro Piccolo, Minipress stb.). Gépei külföldön is keresettek voltak.
Till we wait for translation:
For the ones who understand German, give the Name " Desider Stern" on YOUTUBE... there is 4 videos about the exhibition in 2007 i talked about earlier. You can hear his Son, Daughter *(Venus) and Grandaughter recall memories about their Father/grandfather. Very very emotional...
Greetings from Vienna, where it started snowing again,
Well I think we have our answer: Qalital and Stella were linked. I cant wait to see what Venus finds...
Stella you asked before if the 101E electric machine was aimed at commercial situations- cafes, bars, etc.. I think the answer is yes. It is the same for the Martian- which I think also dates from the early 1950s- I have an instruction manual for it- and it says it is perfect for mens clubs, churches and even nunneries...
This is what I got from an on-line translator service, for the text aboveOriginally Posted by 1E392821212C631A242823637C4D0 link=1260377965/93#93 date=1264072786
[Hungarian to English]
/\/"Simon Imre Assessment: there is still no inputs. (Keszthely, 1906. Jul 26. - Bp. ,:1983 10): mechanical. Keszthelyi doctors son, and Simon Böske, Hungary szépségkirályn[ch337]je and Miss Europe (1929)s brother. M[ch369]egyetemi studies in Germany (Mitvajda) carried out. There he began his household machinery technology study. From 1932 Bp. -en continued shall be assisted by.
And this one that mentions Atomic & Bambi ect
Simon, Imre Rating: Not yet rated. (Keszthely, 1906. July 26 - Budapest, 1983. October 10th): Mechanical Engineering. Keszthelyi doctors son, Simon, Betty, szépségkirályn[ch337]je Hungary and Miss Europe (1929) brother. Studies at the Technical University in Germany (Mitvajda) was carried out. He began his career studying the technology of household appliances. 1932 Budapest, I continued to work. Coffee machine name is linked with a number of invention and patenting (Atomic, Bambi, Electro Piccolo, Minipress, etc.).. Machines abroad were also sought. *
1) Venus didnt find any paper yet linking her father to Qualital.Originally Posted by 3D213C3C2B203A27202F2D2128282B2B4E0 link=1260377965/94#94 date=1264073062
2) Funny enough that the name Atomic, Bambi appears on the biography of Imre SIMON... and not qualital... (it looks more complicated than i thought)
PS: i say that althought im inside myself sure that we are right... Qualital and Stella surely have the same head... or at least a 2 headed family link: Simon Imre and Desider Stern. Till Venus finds infos about it... we have to keep it open,
SorrentinaCoffee: Can you send the pictures of the red lights on both the Martian and the 110E? Thanks!!!
Thanks Kosmo!Originally Posted by 1F3B323231310B1F3B27393B540 link=1260377965/95#95 date=1264073288
szépségkirályn[ch337]je means Beauty Queen.
The technical University in Germany was called at that Time "Technicum" and was based in the city Mittweida... i recommend the wikipedia website.. its a page from the School itself... it saw a lot of clever people... impressive.
Here: Another website where Imre Simon appears *(see the last part of the Article... completely at the end):
I think its about Miss Hungary / Europe... Imre Simon s sister.
Notice the Star in the internet address window * :)
Here the translation (as well translated from an online website):
"Betty Simons brother , Imre Simon is also worth mentioning. Keszthely young man in Germany was carried out by the University of Technology, where he studied the technology of household appliances. After his return to Budapest in 1932, continued its work. Name is linked with a number of coffee-type invention and patenting (Atomic, Bambi, Electro Piccolo, Minipress, etc..), Which were sought after abroad."
how about this:
This dates from 1980, I quote:
"THE MINERAL INDUSTRY OF HUNGARY 433 - COMMODITY REVIEW -METALS
Hungary has only one secondary aluminum smelter, the Qualital smelter, that
produces approximately 20,000 tons of secondary aluminum. Current scrap collection
brings in approximately 25,000 tons per year, much of which is exported.
A new shredder is to be installed at the Qualital smelter to improve performance.
Exports of scrap are to be replaced by exports of alloy and foundry ingots."