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    Hello thee Everyone,

    sorry I have let this thread slip- I missed a few great posts...

    Concerning the Calandra: I have one of these, I used to use it all the time. Super simple and reliable machines and a great style. I also stock some seals and others part for these machines. The Calandra can fetch a pretty penny on evilbay- very RETRO 70s style. It actually evolved from the old Benjamin and medwin/Vesubio stovetop machines, and is related to my modern Bellmans in many ways. The top seal, and locking cap are identical.

    The next on the list: the Salton- great machine. This is actually the UK branded Vesuviana- you have the electric version with frother- the best they ever made. This design goes right back to the 30s I think- and many different models- Giant 10 cup version and really small as well- I have posted pictures of some early Vesuviana machines at the beginning of this collectors thread. Your machine actually isnt pre-atomic- I think it is from the 70s towards the very end of Vesuviana production. I think it is the best they ever did- except for the stove-top version with steam wand. Is that one 220 or 120 volt?

    Finally: Lucio! Ciao! sorry about answering so late. You machine is made by "Stella" company from Austria. I think the designer was Herr Desider Stern. The model 402 dates from 1952-1974. Stella also made a range of Atomic coffee makers, and the double headed machine (model 110E Atomic 1953-56) I posted here earlier was also sometimes labeled with the atomic name. Are you saying you have one of these: a 110E?? I looke don you site and couldnt find it. Did you test your one? On mine I have not tested it at all as the sight glass got broken in transit. Also the big lever in the middle is stuck- but I didnt try much to move it. Your 402 machine is actually related to the Stella Atomics also- some of which are simply amazing. It seems they made a whole range of Atomic coffee makers that most collectors have never seen.

    Also the Stella company initially was licensed /or worked with Mr Robbbiati in Milan. But their designs were all unique and they continued producing austrian atomics right up until the 70s. By that time I doubt they had any link with Sgn. Robbiati any more.

    You know Mr Francesco had an Atomic by Stella?- you may remember this machine- I missed a chance to purchase it after your kindly tip? Well it came to market again and this time I could not resist. I have it in my collection now...I had to pay a bit more... who cares? That machine is made by the same company as your new beauty. This design is the Robbiati patented design, but later Stella changed the design a little and the shape.

    Here is Francescos superb description of the machine:

    http://www.francescoceccarelli.eu/Do...c_wien_eng.htm


    I cannot find a serial number on the double headed beast. Where is it on your 110E

    the label on your model 402 is fantastico! Marvelous. Mine is nice: with a classic 50s western style font, but yous is the nicest I have seen. It has inspired me to redesign the La Sorrentina label as a tribute...






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    Hi Jack,
    I was lucky: I had to work only *2 weeks to set the machine "ready to work". 8-)
    These pics are before the restoration.
    I became mad to build up the seals and to re-open the tiny holes to the sight glass level.
    The machine is complete: 6 filters, 2 Jugs (ops!) , and the dolls house pans *;D





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    Hi, Well there you go... you kindalike something thats sitting in your kitchen... you use it every morning to make your brown brewage, and never realize while doing it that you are part of a worlwide community. I really like the way i interact with my coffee machines and i never intended to make a collection. Actually is it one? im using them on an everyday basis. Im really fascinated how enthousiast the people are.

    So i post these pictures of my little kitchen. (its Christmas soon isnt it?)
    The first one is a "Atomic (A) Brevetti robbiati made in italy novate milanese (milano)"
    The second is a "Atomic (B) Brevetti Robbiati made in italy British Patent No. 633988"
    The third is a "Atomic espresso Stella Wien patent"
    The forth is a "Atomic brevetti Robbiati Milano made in italy"

    I looked few years back for a book about them but remained successless. Crazy in these years of "all design" and "vintage frenzy", cant even find litterature about it.

    So i conclude:

    The all fun is about using the things. They give it all back to you.
    Greetings from Old Europe to wherever you are,
    Merry christmas , Stella

    Ps: i started with a stella machine of my granny, i just found it funny to have a coffeemachine to bear your name. aint everybodys case.






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    I had a very busy morning.... looking for Atomic informations... i had a great laugh ;D ;D ;D

    Well, there is some kind of great expert self-called atomicguru and he has got the all knowledge of the world.

    and since he has got all the knowledge of the world... nobody trust itself to say one thing about the atomic. Come on Boys, its just a coffee machine.

    So, im breaking the "silence rule" since im not part of this sect.
    See the pictures that follow.

    Of Course, there are all Copyright and sure ill be ask for permission if the "Guru" wants it to appear in his "Bible"... and i thought the internet was going to open information to everybody. that was naive from me.

    Oh! and before i leave... i have to correct something... ive read in many blogs: "rare atomic stella" mmmh... i think something is rare if you cant get it, right? that means if you live in a country with no way to acquire one... for this stellas must be very scarce in Australia, but not in Austria... (above all in Vienna where i live). You cant say the same about kangurus...

    thats it im going.
    Stella.










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    Well, i would be gone already if i didnt forget something.

    There are people out there collecting Atomic badges... ill call them
    "Atomic Badges Hunters".
    see picture (i havent seen it yet in the collections ive seen on the net).

    Point n°2: ive read about dating the stuff. That the Sassoon models would be the first ones? Just look at the aluminium!!!

    For people who like aluminium like me (as well as bakelite)... there is an expression that is current: "Mussolini Aluminium". at the time, the best you could get... before it got too expensive to produce.

    I havent cleaned none of my coffeemachines... not more than with a sponge. well the atomic (a) and the Stella shine. the other two dont. you can see it well on the pictures... they are Dull...

    Whats the point polishing a Coffee machine??? Is it so the face of the Owner reflects in it???

    Stella.




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    Welcome to coffee snobs Stella [smiley=thumbsup.gif] great first posts

    You are in good company here
    I hope you will stay & contribute often

    KK

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    Hello there Stella!

    welcome. I agree with you- information needs to be free. And thanks for posting these manuals- I have them in my collection- I am also a badge collector- I dont think I have seen that A badge before. I will post some of my rare ones...

    I consider something to be rare- if you want one- and cannot find one- or it is very expensive. In a diamond mine diamonds are hopefully not that rare..... take them out of the mine and the situation changes.... few people seem to have them.

    The Austrian made Stella brand Atomics do not appear on the market very often. Here in Australia they are really quite rare and you may only see one or two on offer a year. If you are in Vienna and can find them- I will buy them all off you! :-) I have often wondered how common they are in Germany and Austria- I have the original factory production and model records and they show that Stella made different models continuously from 1958 right up until 1975 at least

    As for the Dates of the Atomic production- nothing is certain. However we can say the following:

    Production began in Italy first (1946-7) but very quickly Mr Desider Stern of Stella Co. in Austria was making machines (1948?) and also Qalital in Hungary (1948)... Originally Sassoon imported machines from Italy- but very early (1950?) they began to manufacture in the UK. You can see in the Sassoon instruction you have posted above- the machine was the early Atomic B- and the manual mentions two sizes- the small and large. These were imported from Italy. Then Sassoon manufactured there first UK made atomic machines- which is quite different- but still had no steam feature- then they added the steam feature. This is something we do not know: who did this first- Sassoon in the UK or Robbiati in Italy? Stella never added a steam feature.... we dont know why... maybe people like black coffee in Austria?

    As to your comments about how shiny the Atomics are: they are all shiny when they are new: Sassoon, Qalital, Brevetti Robbiati- and even the machines made in India around 2005. It is true that Italy produces its own high quality alloy- but they by no means have a monopoly on shiny aluminum. You can see my UK manufactured Sassoon machine in this thread- I have not polished it much. It was that shiny when I got it.

    Our La Sorrentina machines are very shiny- but they begin to dull with time- if they are used. If they are not used the polish remains high.

    Are you a collector of Atomic machines?




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    Mr. Desider Stern was born in Wroc[ch322]aw, Poland on the 24.4.1907. He emigrated in Tschekoslovakia in 1933 (first in the Tschek side till 1939 ,then in Slovakia und Ungary) and arrived in 1949 in Vienna. Youll have guessed he was of Jewish confession hence his emigration. He has always been working as a bibliographer, a Publicist and a businessman. He will stay famous for having written a reference book about works of jewish writters in German language (it holds the biography and bibliography of about 400 writters). He gave his Collection of Books and original dokuments as well as business documents to the city of Vienna. I will start my research in the next few weeks. He died in Vienna on the 29.4.2000 and left a Daughter, a son. He has 2 grandsons and 1 granddaughter.

    Thats all i know about him for now. keep Connected.

    This picture is Copyright of Alisa Douer.




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    Quote Originally Posted by 776B7676616A706D6A65676B62626161040 link=1220240609/156#156 date=1262233075
    Are you a collector of Atomic machines?
    No.
    I just happen to have:
    A) the Coffeemachine of my grandmother.
    B) Very Funny friends who bring me Coffeemachines from their Trip as *a kind of a joke about my Love for the Stella. Thats the case for the 3 other ones.
    I use the Coffeemachine daily depending on what i want and how i feel. Clearly, firing the Stella brings back loads of emotion which i cant take at the moment. The A im using less cause i havent got a Jug. The B and "ill call it the" C are the most used.
    Now you know everything ... curious downunders.

    Question to You "SorrentinaCoffee", youre talking about a list of Production... do you mean, if i tell you L 321 or L 238, youre able to tell me which year it has been produced? Could you share this dokument with me? (although im sure ill find them in Vienna ExilBibliothek ... that would save me some research time).

    I feel loads needs to be said and everybody is sitting on his knowledge and leaves the Wolrd in the dark. Ill try for myself to bring a bit of light in all this.

    Michael J. "Crocodile" Dundee: Well, you see, Aborigines dont own the land.They belong to it. Its like their mother. See those rocks? Been standing there for 600 million years. Still be there when you and I are gone. So arguing over who owns them is like two fleas arguing over who owns the dog they live on.

    Just share the knowledge... itll go with you when you die. The Atomic will survive you. Long live Atomic!

    Stella, Wien.

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    I cannot tell you the date of manufacture byt he serial numbers from the base of the machine- but I can tell the the production years of all the various models. There are some very rare Atomics here that no one has seen here in Australia...

    I agree about information sharing- this document was provided by one of Mr Sterns grandchildren. From what I understand he designed many of these machines himself:

    Thankyou very much for the information you have found! It is very interesting to hear of Mr Sterns Hungarian background as this gives us the link between his company in Austria and the Qalital company in Hungary. Also many of the Italian and Austrian made Atomic machines have a six pointed Star pattern in the filter plate in the head. Collectors have speculated whether this was a possible Jewish connection...

    Also I think Stella and Stern translate as star in English?

    any way here are the various models and the production dates:




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    Many many Thanks! Ill try to go next week to this Bibliothek and will try to get in contact with the family - they surely have the contacts @ the Bibliothek because they made an exhibition about Desider Stern in 2007.

    I am planning to make a write-around to Traditional Coffees and to coffee museums around Austria. These Coffeemachines must be around somewhere...

    I cant thank you enough for sharing these pictures... i am litterally amazed...

    Bestest Regards from Beautiful Vienna,
    Stella.

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    OK- no problem- but please email when you find some! I will buy your duplicates from you!

    I like in particular the model 105 Atomic and also the Piccolo 304E: it reminds of a Geiger ALIEN...

    you can see there the double headed machine with the name Atomic 110E: I have this model and pictures of it are in this thread. Although the factory list show it listed as an atomic model- my one is simply branded atomic. Unfortunately the sight glass on mine is broken- so if you can track down the old factory- and some old spare parts- I will be forever in your debt.

    As you can see Stella produced up until 1979- and Atomic production went from 1948 to 1974- there must be a lot of machines in Vienna!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4F534E4E59524855525D5F535A5A59593C0 link=1220240609/161#161 date=1262590917
    there must be a lot of machines in Vienna!
    indeed... the thing is... i havent been looking for it till now...
    i have a few ideas where they could come up... ill surely keep an eye open.



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    Could you send the latest two pictures BIGGER so i could print it and join it to my "write-around"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4A6D7C757578374E707C773728190 link=1220240609/163#163 date=1262592871
    Could you send the latest two pictures BIGGER so i could print it and join it to my "write-around"?
    You should be able to download and then resize without loosing too much detail...

    It will all depend on what ya final format is going to be..

    1: PDF
    2: Word
    3: Other accepted format ?

    A pdf will allow you some smarts, and can reduce the over all size... The trick is to consider the final output ?

    A: Hard copy or
    B: Electronic

    They both have different requirements and if electronic, then the graphics can be reduced to some extent to manage the size of your end product..

    Sorry... Off topic, but relevant;)

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    Ill go next monday there - till now, here are my dark points to clear:

    _relation Qalital - Stella
    _Where was it build? -production place(s).
    _Model(s)? - date(s) of Production - production volume?
    _Adverts?
    _Was Desider Stern working alone? or did he have a team of Ingenieur around him to design the Atomics?
    _original Drawings?
    _Who was selling/distributing the Atomics?
    _The Star - Jewish or wordplay?
    _Biographie of Desider Stern as a Businessman.
    _

    Any other suggestions?
    I already contacted Sterns Daughter via Mail. Lets see. i hope shes willing to help!!!! That would be fantastic!!!
    Stella... cant get to sleep now although ive worked two nights in a row. too excited to go to sleep.

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    OMG!

    I received an email from Mr. Sterns Daughter. (lets call her: Venus)

    Venus appeared very emotional someone showed interest for her Fathers legacy. (4 month away to his 10th years death).

    Venus has every espressomachine that her Father designed at home.

    Venus has all her Fathers papers at home but hasnt had enough time to go through it because she is "working too much".

    We arranged to get in contact next Tuesday.

    I wish not to wake up from this,

    Stella... what a luck!


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    Quote Originally Posted by 7A5D4C454548077E404C470718290 link=1220240609/166#166 date=1262624615
    OMG!

    I received an email from Mr. Sterns Daughter. (lets call her: Venus)

    Venus appeared very emotional someone showed interest for her Fathers legacy. (4 month away to his 10th years death).

    Venus has every espressomachine that her Father designed at home.

    Venus has all her Fathers papers at home but hasnt had enough time to go through it because she is "working too much".

    We arranged to get in contact next Tuesday.

    I wish not to wake up from this,

    Stella... what a luck!
    Stella and Venus.....heavenly!

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    Fantastic news! the investigation gathers pace rapidly...

    I would be very interested to learn of the relationship between Mr Giordano Robbiati and Mr Stern?

    It is clear the two worked together around 1947- I would like to know if there were any distribution agreements between them?

    If you look at the Austrian Atomic patent you can see that Mr Robbiati is listed as the owner:






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    Well... that is a point im surely going to have to clear... cos my robbiati has a 6 pointed star filter... and giordano would have no reason for it (i mean no practical reason...)... it would be a bit difficult to believe the star is just there to be cute.

    I think the mystery lay in the years 1947-1950, at the very start of the atomic history... the relation Qalital-Stella-Brevetti Robbiati and the relation Robbiati-Stern.

    It seems to me the later machines from Mr. Stern were thought and designed by him... pushing further the Atomic concept.

    Did they meet? did they work together? or was one working for the other... im thinking Stern providing parts (for example filters) for Robbiati?

    I just come back from a few flee markets in Vienna, but didnt find anything. Im afraid people just throw these old metal things away.

    So for the patents:
    Austria:
    http://v3.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?CC=AT&NR=167450B&KC=B&FT=D&date=1 9510110&DB=&locale=

    Belgium:
    http://v3.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?CC=DE&NR=838493&KC=&FT=E

    Holland:
    http://v3.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?CC=DE&NR=838493&KC=&FT=E

    France:
    http://v3.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?CC=FR&NR=955982

    Germany:
    http://v3.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?CC=DE&NR=838493&KC=&FT=E

    Italy:
    IT757219

    Great Britain:
    http://v3.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?FT=D&date=19491230&DB=&locale=&CC =GB&NR=633988A&KC=A

    USA:
    US2549132A

    Watch this space!
    Stella.

    PS: SorrentinaCoffee, youre a star!


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    I think most of the coffee machines pictured above in the Stella product list were designed exclusively by Stella company (except for the original Atomic models which were based on the Italian Patents). There may have been some parts sharing around 1947-1948- but it seems clear that the two manufacturers made differing products- quite distinct from each other. The parts are quite different. The same thing seems to have occurred in the UK between Robbiati and Sassoon- originally Sassoon imported from Italy- then they manufactured their own distinct machines, with no common parts (however in large measure Sassoon stuck with the same dimensions as the Italian machines so most parts are interchangeable).

    It would be interesting to see if Sassoon and Stella (and Qalital) paid any royalties to Mr Robbiati after 1950? There is a story that Giordano had an original Renoir at his house and that may explain it.



    Here are some labels directly from that early period:










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    and here they are in lined up together ;-)





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    There is also a question as the whether Robbiati even desined the atomic machine as such... There is a rare machine called the "Elekta"- no one knows when or who designed it as far as I can tell. That machine may be the key to the entire Atomic story.... Seeing as we are now in the habit of publishing our materials frankly I may as well post an image of the rare Elekta into this thread- if you see one of these when you vist Ms Stern let me know! If this was designed in Hungary before the 2nd World War that would be very interesting indeed. I personally suspect that this machine WAS designed before the War- and I think it has a very Art Deco appearance. It is certainly a great rarity and little is known about it:








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    I correct myself:
    Belgium:
    http://v3.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?FT=D&date=19480131&DB=&locale=&CC =BE&NR=478076A&KC=A

    Holland:
    http://v3.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?FT=D&date=19510416&DB=&locale=&CC =NL&NR=67725C&KC=C

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    Ps: This Thread is Cooking!!!

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    Does anyone have a full picture of the "Qalital espresso" machine made in Hungary for comparison purposes? Thanks.

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    why of course- I have one in my collection- the jug is not original though...

    the label on mine is very worn but still readable up close. It says "Made in Hungary" and on the base of the machine it is stamped with a number 8 and the word "Szigony"...






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    and here is a photo of an a complete Hungarian Atomic- along with its box- this one sold on ebay a few years back and I stupidly didnt buy it:


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    Quote Originally Posted by 736F7272656E74696E61636F66666565000 link=1220240609/172#172 date=1262703529
    T Seeing as we are now in the habit of publishing our materials frankly
    Thats what i expect from a atomic community... i think its the best way to keep these people and their legacys alive... i find it mindblowing that these people keep little atomic owners in Australia or Austria in a energic exchange of reflexions... i also think its like a way for them to live longer. i think of Stern nearly everyday lately.



    Very impressive Collection of machines as well as pictures... it seems youve been around for some time... and busying yourself with the atomics...

    I cant thank you enough for sharing your knowledge with me.

    It is important for me to be prepared to ask the good questions if i came to meet Venus soon. I already proposed her to meet for a coffee. Shell be back from her Holiday next week so till then i have time to print some pictures and gather informations.

    A friend of mine - Kathy - sent me the pictures of her Stella- ill post them soon. shes not using it though. interesting is that the Knob looks quite old. older than mine. and is not printed.

    As for the Star in the filter... my Stella hasnt got any. Actually my filter looks like the one of the qualital picture you just sent. my B has just got a plain designed holes. my C has got two different size filters WITH star design.

    I have to say i was amazed when you said that collectors discussed about the "jewish" star ... it fits just too well! but why on the robbiatis?
    Any idea?

    and Where is this Renoir story coming from?

    Clearly these people where making money... i think Stern - although he had to live in exile, and from what i found recently spent 2 years in a Nazi Work Camp in Hungary - didnt suffer from a lack of money after 1949. That leads me to another point:
    Where these machines affordable at that time??? Were talking from a time after the 2nd world war where people were spending time in the Kaffeehauses because its was the only place which was heated, some even let their post be delivered there. Of course, it must have been a democratisation of the coffee to give the opportunity to some persons to make their espresso at home. but who could afford it? or did the arrival of this coffeemachimes just responded to peoples demand and were affordable enough so that the win was made by the number of coffee machines sold rather than by their expensive price.

    How tall is your Qualital machine? my robbiati (a) is tiny!!!
    I propose we take a Illy expresso cup so we can compare the size.

    Best of regards,
    Stella in the snow in Austria.

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    there is another possible explanation of the star symbol: the star was often used as a symbol for Atomic energy- and the Atomic machines have a lot of embedded Atomic imagery- the early Labels from Stella, Robbiati and Sassoon all have lettering that form the outline of an Atomic mushroom cloud. Also the profile of the black knobs on the Italian machine is mushroom shaped- some even say the neck and head of the machine when viewed from head on is also an Atomic mushroom cloud...

    As to the story of Robbiatis Renoir- I have heard it from several sources- and the Atomic guru mentioned it to me...

    It is true what you say about the sharing of information- when I began collecting seriously around 5 years ago there was very little hard information published anywhere. No one seemed to know that Sassoon manufactured their own machines in the UK, and certainly no one knew how many Atomics were produced in Austria... Also the patents were not so easy to find- as the online databases had not developed to the extent they now have.

    Piece by piece the story of the Atomic is coming together, if it wasnt for the interest of a few individuals here and there across the world a lot of the information would simply disappear.

    I think in your meetings with Venus, it would be particularly interesting to find about the relationship between Robbiati and Stella... and of course anything that goes to the original design of the machine...

    As to your questions about the seeming success of the design: One thing is quite clear- in the early years there was a great deal of activity and machines sold: we have found machines distributed in Cuba, Argentina, Caracas and beyond. I once heard that the small B models are quite common in Cuba and much beloved- just like their 1950s American cars.




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    I think it would be quite interesting to compare the atomics... thats what we do in Biology for animals... before we can put it all together. doing this i just noticed the holes in the atomic head to insert the coffee filter are in the arm perspective for the robbiatis, and 90 degrees rotated for the Stellas. How about the Qualital? or early cuban models?

    Kathy brought her coffee machine in the morning... The design of the wooden arm is copyright of Günther, her father.

    So here a few pictures:




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    The Filters:
    In oder of appearance:
    _ A
    _ B
    _ Stella
    _ C - middle size Filter
    _ C - large size Filter










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    Re: Atomic Collectors Thread

    The Knobs:
    in order of appearance:
    _ A
    _ B
    _ C
    _ Stella L 238
    _ Stella L 321


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    Günthers design:


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    The Heads:
    In order of appearance:
    _ Stella L 321
    _ Stella L 238
    _ A
    _ B
    _ C

    Here to be noticed:
    _the screw in the middle of the stellas and the robbiati (A)
    _the 90 degrees rotated inserts for the filter arm.

    How about the Qualital?










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    Another point: the Water hole, Much practical on the Stellas because its protubing. With the (b) on the Left here, i always mess up my kitchen.


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    Till The "Atomic-guru" (notice : between brackets... i am an atheist as far as im concerned) publish his long-awaited award-wining revelation-filled Bible , i *tried to imagine what the renoir picture could have been like: here the result:


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    Quote Originally Posted by 756974746368726F6867656960606363060 link=1220240609/172#172 date=1262703529
    There is a rare machine called the "Elekta"- If this was designed in Hungary before the 2nd World War that would be very interesting indeed. and I think it has a very Art Deco appearance.
    very nice machine indeed...
    Why would someone come up with the idea to even think this machine needs improvement???
    Im very upset now.

    As for the Hungarian origin? Do you know if elekta is an hungarian machine??? or you just wish??? Where is this coming from??? its not of your collection, or?
    -> i would have to orientate my search across the hungarian border - it might be in a museum somewhere... i could send emails around there too.

    Greetings,
    Stella

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    Sorry I jumped ahead of myself reading your post and somehow thought Mr Stern was from Hungary- I re-read everything and see Poland...

    I believe the Elekta (if that is even its true name) was most probably made in Italy- as it has an Italian trade mark on it. However I have no idea who made it beyond the images I have shown and speculation. To me it looks like something from the Deco period- It seems that the guard around the neck must be bakelite- it has all the form of the atomic- but no steam arm....

    My own private speculation is that Mr Robbbiati may have seen it before the War- and it may have been the inspiration for the atomic patents. I believe Mr Robbiati may have worked in IP law? Perhaps even been a patents consultant? If this is true it would be interesting if his own Patents were based on a design he did not actually create. I am aware that this could be a heretical hypotheses and it should be taken as pure speculation only... I hope I am proven wrong. I then go on to imagine that the earliest form of the Robbiati patent- the so called flat head- was merely a transitional design as they tried to recreate the Elekta with a basic tooling- but that they quickly learnt how to refine their tooling to re-create the rounded organic form of the Elekta... the organic form is cast in a single piece (a difficult task) whereas the early flat heads are cast in 2 parts (as we see in your images above).

    This theory may be completely wrong- and the next best guess is that the Elekta itself was copied off of the Robbiati, type 2, organic design. Proof of this would exonerate Mr Robbiati of any suggestion his Patents were questionable...

    Whatever the case it must be one or the other- as the Elekta machine pictured above is clearly associated with the general atomic design. I think you can agree? In all my years of research I have never seen an Elekta for sale- and beyond the photos posted here- that is all I have heard, full stop. So if you can dig up any information about this elusive machine- please let me know...

    You can see that Robbiati first patented the flat head Stella type Atomic- but very early on he also registered the type 2 organic rounded atomic as a design in the USA (1949?). He seems to have quickly abandoned the flat head in favour of the organic, whereas Stella in Austria kept reworking and manufacturing the original flat head design right up until 1974...

    As to Qailital- I believe they were linked with Stella in some form...

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    this topic is becaming more "explosive" than the third secret of Fatima. Stella, please take the most picture you can, and record all your interview (so later you will not forget anything). You are lucky, i tried the same with the Robbiatis widow, and she is still kicking my *** via phone :o.
    Ive written a lot about the star on lots of italian filter on my blog, i believe it was a jew "sign" .
    The Elekta is my next target 8-) .
    Thank you for your wonderful work

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    Ciao Lucio!

    I have heard that the Robbiati family is difficult to contact. Perhaps you can try Farek Robbiati- he is a nephew of Giordano and an executive based in Hong Kong- perhaps he will be happy to talk? I can send more details if you email me.

    Lucio- According to Bon Trading Co- Atomics are still being made in Italy at the same factory they always have been, and in addition that factory never stopped making them... What do you think of that claim? Have you seen any new ones in Italy? ;-)

    at this point in the tale I must come to the defense of the Atomic Guru... he really was the first to examine these questions in detail... his early writings on the Atomic were the first on the Internet to really examine the history- and publish a lot of unpublished facts. In more recent years he has been loosely (mis) quoted on one website in particular. The picture of the Elekta above was supplied by Frederick (AKA the Atomic guru") and many of my own theories concerning the Atomic coffee maker have been created in discussion with him over the years. From what I remember Frederick said the pictures of the Elekta came from an Australian collector...


    back to the floodgate of Atomic ephemera- let the fireworks continue- there is one more clue to the Elekta story- another image of the Elekta- it points to an Italian origin- GDV???:




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    [/QUOTE]
    Quote Originally Posted by 4A564B4B5C574D5057585A565F5F5C5C390 link=1220240609/190#190 date=1263055782
    Lucio- According to Bon Trading Co- Atomics are still being made in Italy at the same factory they always have been, and in addition that factory never stopped making them... What do you think of that claim? Have you seen any new ones in Italy? Wink
    Maybe some dwarves are still manufacturing some Atomics on Milano underground.
    As soon as Gandalf the gray will came to meet me, Ill go to check this rumor. ;D

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    Quote Originally Posted by 243825253239233E3936343831313232570 link=1220240609/190#190 date=1263055782
    I must come to the defense of the Atomic Guru... he really was the first to examine these questions in detail... his early writings on the Atomic were the first on the Internet to really examine the history- and publish a lot of unpublished facts.
    Sure, my writings may have sounded a bit rude. The Fact that i might access important information about the Stellas wont make me a Stella guru... Frederick is surely an expert on the question... i regret he appears only sporadicaly and in a tiny bit professorial style ("i know everything "kind-of-thing")... He is and will stay a pioneer.

    I -for myself- promised me-& i- to gather as much information as i can about the subject and put it to the access to everyone interested for free, as well as -and thats maybe the most important thing, the proofs of what i say. I might at that point - which might be in 2,3,4 weeks have to open a website or a blog to present the results as i dont think the volume of data might fit this Thread.

    This coffee machines touched us for some reason or another.
    And i do think it is of our duty to reveal as much we know on the subject wether were called Frederick, Jack, Lucio or Stella. (Canada, Australia, Italy or Austria).
    I think too -girls think dont they?- that the writing of a book far too early is.... obviously... there is a big deal of informations lacking here.
    Thats my point of view.

    I take a bit of a break from this thread.
    Im going to track some informations...
    (and yes, Lucio, i got hold of my old tape recorder.)
    Greetings whereever you are,

    & last but not least, i officially invite - Toodle-dee-doo-cracker-bits, Frittibaldi MacFeathers, the "atomic guru", Frederickguru or for me just Frederick (although we dont know yet) to join us.

    With joined efforts we might crack the Atomic code.

    Stella - in Freizeitstress. (free time stress or holiday stress)

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    Atomic Diversity:

    from left to right:

    1) Qalital- Made in Hungary- 1950?
    2) Robbiati, Italy- Small B Cuba Export (pre-revolution) 1950?
    3) Stella- Made in Austria- model A? 1948-1950
    4) Robbiati, Milano Small B Badge 1947-1950?
    5) Robbiati, Milano Large B British patent Badge 1950-1955? (No frother)
    6) Sassoon, Made in UK- 1950-1960? Complete with Jug Lid.
    7) Robbiati, with Steamer, Classic Milano Badge- 1965?
    8) Robbiati- Bon Trading Red Paint model- late 1970s- mid 1980s?
    9) Robbiati- Classic Milano Badge Brown Paint model-late 1970s- mid 1980s?
    10) Robbiati- Thos Cara USA import- "Deluxe" Model with pressure gauge- 1980s?
    11) Robbiati- La Sorrentina Badge. NYC import- 1984? Dark Green Bakelite



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    Sorrentina, Can we keep the "A" appelation for the Robbiatis?

    What you have got is a 104... i am very certain about it: i went in a few antiquity shops around in Vienna and found a 102 which i bought for 45 euros. The seller said they are quite rare in Vienna too. But should i believe him?

    By the 102, the contact line of the two pieces on the head is about at half the thickness of the head.
    On the 104, this line is about on the 1/3 upper side.

    On the 102, the Tube is really Broad / Thicker at the bottom where it goes into the water tank, just like the Pictures of the Qualital you sent.
    On the 104, the broadness is about the one of the Robbiatis atomics.

    The dripping device look different on the 102 and the 104, the 102 beeing longer.

    The water tank is rounder on the edges... (weird that the 102 rounder is as the 104).

    The Filter that was on the 102 i bought looks like the one on the picture of the Qualital you sent. a small size Filter, with a filter smaller than the diameter of the total Diameter of the filter - like conical.

    For this , i will send the Pictures tomorrow.

    The "A" from Robbiati is tiny tiny.

    It would find good place on the far far *left of the picture you sent last.

    Stella, relieved after a very successful day... (i also found a 402E)

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    LIVE from Vienna, Austria

    Stella presents,

    Atomic espresso Stella Wien Patent 102 vs 104

    On the LEFT the 102
    On the RIGHT the 104

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    Behmor Brazen - $249 - Free Freight
    Size matters:


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