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    THE ULTIMATE cold brew / cold drip thread

    It's the altitude sickness effecting us mon. Jah! Some mountains are so high they might even make you Blue mon. Peace ✌️

    Don't hate. Don't worry be happy now. I love this Jamaican coffee. They do have a reputation for their mild flavour and lack of bitterness. Taste the smooth Brazen rhythm.
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    Y'all are cold man, cold.


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    I'm hoppering this heat wave will finish soon. Feeling like a basket case.

    Roll on autumn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Javaphile View Post
    Y'all are cold man, cold.

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    If only...........

    Still 29 C at 9pm.
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    THE ULTIMATE cold brew / cold drip thread

    Saw a lot of chilli and Mexican food today at Taste Fest by the river.

    With all this heat I can't believe no one has spilled the beans yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LFM60 View Post
    If only...........
    Still 29 C at 9pm.
    I'm glad this roast has finished. Dropped just as I was about to crack. 1 P2 C after 14 hours of 30+ heat.

    Feeling thankful it's dropped down to 25.

    Hope there's not much degassing to follow.

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    I washed this bottle out as an emergency backup cold brew stash. Not sure it if will be mistaken by work colleagues.

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    After tasting an absolutely amazing iced coffee while I was in the US over Christmas, I decided to have a go at cold brewing some myself, purchased a Hario Mizudashi and using 120g of Peru Ceja de Selva brewed in the fridge for approx 12 hours, its turned out a bit weak, kind of flat and certainly doesn't have the great depth of flavour I was hoping to replicate.

    I am pretty sure I had the grind too fine, because when adding the water, it was almost impossible to get the water the flow through (it took a good 20 min just to get the grounds all wet, I did give them a stir as best I could) and I ended up filling the jug via the spout. Any tips on what the grind should be like? I have only ever made espresso coffee in my life, so guidelines I see everywhere else like "a bit finer than what you use for plunger" is useless to me

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    Hi Semillon ... what sort of grinder do you have?

    Don't give up just yet. I've had some decent brews with the 1L Hario Mizudashi. One of the more recent / decent brews was a single origin Kenyan Karatina AA bean. Very clear raspberry / jam / coffee mix of flavours. I watched a non coffee snob smell and taste the brew and it was great seeing their pleasant and surprised reaction. They picked the berries.

    So far I typically go for a medium to coarse grind size (that is where each piece of coffee is a few mm's across - see some example pics below).

    I rinse and then fill the mizudashi pot up to 800ml mark with filtered water.
    Then put in the coffee infuser basket/cone.
    Start with 80g of medium to medium coarse ground coffee in to the coffee infuser basket
    Slowly pour in a further 200ml of filtered water stirring through the coffee with a long spoon or chop stick.
    Cover/seal the top of the pot with plastic wrap to keep out air/bugs/fridge smells.
    Put the Hario pot in the fridge for 12-18 hours.
    After the 12-18 hours remove the coffee infuser basket.

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    Sounds like too fine on the grinds and possibly ratio to water too low?

    Depending on your grinder, if you have 'numbers' marked and you swing say 1/2 to one number in the espresso range you normally use, then moving 2-3 numbers away might get you into the range for filter/plunger. It is quite a swing.
    On my Lido I move 6 notches away from espresso for aeropress/coldbrew and 7 for plunger. On the Robur, it is very different. I'm on 7ish for espresso, then move to 8-8.5 for plunger. But the swing on this grinder matches its size - I only move about 1/4-1/8 number in the espresso range, so proportionally it is similar

    Also, the ratio Hario give for that method (80g to 1 litre) will give a very mild, iced tea kind of strength, which some are after. For good iced coffee strength, I work on a 1:4-ish ratio. How this will work in you pot i'm not sure - but 120g to 500ml would give you much more potent results - but may only 1/2 fill the pot and not immerse the filter?

    You can't really go wrong - just keep playing!
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    Thanks for the advice and clear photos of grind sizes! I used something close to "medium-fine" from the picture.

    My grinder is a Kompak K3-Touch, no numbers, though I did just find this helpful image here on coffeesnobs:


    For this batch I had it set around the "right" side coffee bean marker from the image, will swing over toward the "left" side coffee bean marker and see how it goes.

    I noted the recommended 80g coffee for 1L of water from Hario seemed quite low, and did see a bunch of internet sites suggesting 100-120g for a more robust result, which is more what I'm after, thus I tried with 120g of coffee on the first try.

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    Something to note with the Hario Mizudashi coffee immersion basket. When I fill it to 80g it's probably 3/4 full.

    So it's likely that 120g would be close to the upper limit of what you'll be able to fit in the basket.

    I'll give it a go tonight and see how much coffee I can get in the basket

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    Quote Originally Posted by matth3wh View Post
    Something to note with the Hario Mizudashi coffee immersion basket. When I fill it to 80g it's probably 3/4 full.

    So it's likely that 120g would be close to the upper limit of what you'll be able to fit in the basket.

    I'll give it a go tonight and see how much coffee I can get in the basket
    120g is pretty much the upper limit as the coffee expands initially with the water - at least this was the case with my overly fine grind.

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    Just having my first glass from the second cold brew attempt, this time I used 100g of a "medium" grind (approx 1-1.5mm diameter grinds), 1L of water, approx 14 hours. The beans were once again Peru from our host, 1.5 weeks post-roast.

    Its better, however not a rich and detailed coffee experience. Some hits of mellow cocoa notes, but no body to speak of.

    Any suggestions no next steps?

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    Hi Semillon, I have a Tiamo setup so my process might be different but I use a med-fine grind and use 95gm to 800ml of water. I soak the top and let it soak through until it starts dripping, sometimes 1hr after I start. There is no quick way. On average it takes about 6hrs for my CD to finish but different beans flow differently even though the grind I use is exactly the same.

    Have you tried other beans? You will find that the Peru (IMO) is quite mellow at the best of time and might not give you the results you are after. Maybe try a different bean and play around with how dark and light you roast the beans.

    There will be a lot of suck it and see until you find what works for you.

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    Third cold brew attempt, this time 100g of Brazil Bourbon using a coarser grind (approx 2mm diameter) and 1L of water for 14 hours.

    Very similar to the last Peru batch, its good and refreshing but lacks the detailed notes that I get if making an espresso with the same beans. Essentially the same quality as the last cold brew batch.

    Am I likely to get a richer and more detailed result with cold drip? Or are there other things to try with the cold brew approach...

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    THE ULTIMATE cold brew / cold drip thread

    Hi semillon
    You're still using the same ratio, so you're unlikely to see much difference from your other batch.
    Try 1:5 for extra strength - maybe less water? Or just try a plunger for proof of concept
    Cold drip will give very different results - much cleaner, sharper and more acidic. This would not likely give you better ice coffee though ...
    Cheers Matt

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    Hey all, I bought a DutchQ Cold Drip setup a little while ago. It's a beauty - filtered water with filtered ice blocks fed over my roasted, coarser ground than normal Sulawesi bean, top and tailed with 64mm single use paper filter. I'm enjoying drinking it Vietnamese style, with crushed ice and sweetened condensed milk. What I am totally amazed by are the different nuances of the coffee when extracted over many hours - cold vs. espresso shots, delivered quickly and obviously under pressure.

    For instance, I have a overwhelming flavour reminiscent of stonefruit/nectarines with my cold coffee. Has any other cold press/cold drip fans here experienced that nectarine taste??
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    Thanks everyone for your suggestions on building a DIY drip machine.

    Here is my low cost, DIY machine.

    Components are:
    Wood offcuts - painted
    1 litre Moccona glass bottle
    1.25L soft drink bottle, with small hole in base.
    Bunnings adjustable irrigation dripper
    Can - any will do
    AeroPress filter off ebay - $3.50

    Main issue i have is with the can rusting a little. I need to find a more long term receptacle for the grinds.

    My first batch was way too over extracted, with the result being an acidic brew. 1L for the 120g was way too much water.

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    Hey guys, I was really hoping I might be able to get some recommendations on a good drip machine to buy? I've been buying cold brew coffees at my supermarket but want to start making my own, ideally being able to make 600-1L at a time. I've had a recommendation for the Bruer Cold Brew System but reviews aren't amazing looking at the bulk on Amazon. I would love the Trinity One just for my ego and look of it, but been told by a salesperson that the quality and ease would not be as good if I'm primarily after cold drip. Would maybe consider one of the more expensive larger bamboo/wood ones if they're worth it and would suit our decor . But any recommendations would be amazing because there are a decent amount around and it's hard to find reviews for most of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Power View Post
    Hey guys, I was really hoping I might be able to get some recommendations on a good drip machine to buy? I've been buying cold brew coffees at my supermarket but want to start making my own, ideally being able to make 600-1L at a time. I've had a recommendation for the Bruer Cold Brew System but reviews aren't amazing looking at the bulk on Amazon. I would love the Trinity One just for my ego and look of it, but been told by a salesperson that the quality and ease would not be as good if I'm primarily after cold drip. Would maybe consider one of the more expensive larger bamboo/wood ones if they're worth it and would suit our decor . But any recommendations would be amazing because there are a decent amount around and it's hard to find reviews for most of them.
    I know the guys at Trinity Coffee are working on a cold drip mod as an optional extra - in the meantime you can use it for cold drip with about $1.50 worth of parts (water bottle and irrigation sytem dripper from Bunnings).

    Of course, you can do the same with a $40 Aeropress... or if you want something specifically for cold drip, the Bruer does seem to get a good wrap around here. IIRC, it has some smarts in the drip system to maintain a consistent drip rate irrespective of the water level - which is a problem for pretty much all the others AFAICT (and definitely for the ghetto setups mentioned above...).

    Doing some googling I also came across a glass Hario cold drip setup that looks very nice... Must. Not. Spend. More. Money. On. Coffee. Gear.
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    Thank you brother Matt for sharing. The first step is to admit we all have a problem.

    I'm not going to switch apps and google for that Hario cold drip setup. Nor am I ordering it.

    Kidding ✌️ or am I?

    On a different note if you want a cheap/functional immersion style cold brewer you can try the 2L T2 jug. Seals up nicely for storage in fridge. Just ignore the instructions about tea infusing.
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    Ultimate cold brew

    My ultimate cold brew is an espresso stout home brew haha

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    My cold brew is really working right now. I have to share it.
    Bruer cold drip kit, my first setup for cold drip.
    Panama geisha don Pepe washed, roasted about 5 deg past FC. This coffee s great in aeropress but way better cold drip imo. 3 days post roast. Medium grind approx 80g. I charge this with about 20 ml hot water ( I guess about 80 deg) followed by 20 ml vodka then start the drip with 650 ml of ice & water, drip 1/sec overnight.
    I'm blown away by this coffee. Same with all who try it.
    Yirgacheffe similar roast same process was also outstanding. Geisha just rocks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beabeabeaner View Post
    My cold brew is really working right now. I have to share it.
    Bruer cold drip kit, my first setup for cold drip.
    Panama geisha don Pepe washed, roasted about 5 deg past FC. This coffee s great in aeropress but way better cold drip imo. 3 days post roast. Medium grind approx 80g. I charge this with about 20 ml hot water ( I guess about 80 deg) followed by 20 ml vodka then start the drip with 650 ml of ice & water, drip 1/sec overnight.
    I'm blown away by this coffee. Same with all who try it.
    Yirgacheffe similar roast same process was also outstanding. Geisha just rocks.
    Sounds interesting, whats the logic behind using the vodka?
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    Quote Originally Posted by shrubbface View Post
    Sounds interesting, whats the logic behind using the vodka?
    Check if anyone read the recipe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by level3ninja View Post
    Check if anyone read the recipe?
    funny, i was thinking the same thing about cold-brewing a geisha. but each to their own.
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    Geisha as cold drip is amazing. Best way to go with it I reckon.
    Vodka. It’s about using ethanol as a solvent to release more of the non polar volatiles from solid to solute.
    Side by side with the yirg controlling other variables best I could the vodka shot lot tasted the same but had more “pop” and aroma. I welcome someone to replicate the experiment and report result here.
    I recall tasting Andy’s experiment years ago, cold drip with just vodka. It was intense. Got me thinking if I just pre-wet the puck with vodka would I get a similar effect without the alcohol hotness (and drink it at work!)
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    Here is my latest DIY drip stand, the bits were cut on my CNC mill from 19mm ply and the containers are cheap screw top canisters from a $2 shop and the glass pot is from an ancient filter machine.

    Gary

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    Quote Originally Posted by gazza View Post
    Here is my latest DIY drip stand, the bits were cut on my CNC mill from 19mm ply and the containers are cheap screw top canisters from a $2 shop and the glass pot is from an ancient filter machine.

    Gary

    cold drip 1-sml.jpgcold drip 2-sml.jpgcold drip 3-sml.jpgcold drip 4-sml.jpg
    great work there! How do you let the drip spread evenly across the ground though

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    I use an aeropress paper filter on the top.

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    Amazing work. I'm using a Perspex Hario dripper myself. Cold drip is so sweet and fruity and awesome for summer

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    Patiently awaiting my first cold brew...

    Bought some Naked Bean "Monte Alegre" beans...

    Hoping it's drinkable without milk ...for a refreshing summer drink...

    Ground to the coarsest grind on my La Cimbali Jnr.

    Any fans? Any tips?

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    Ah...just found the ULTIMATE cold brew thread....
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    Question How do you make COLD BREW? | Recipes and Methods

    Hello fellow CoffeeSnobs =)

    I have a recipe for cold brew that I've been making for about 2 or 3 years now. To my girlfriend and I, we both think it tastes great. I like my method so much I wanted to share it with fellow coffee lovers, so I went ahead and made a step-by-step tutorial on Instructables.

    What I want to know is what recipes / methods do fellow CoffeeSnobs use to make Cold Brew Coffee? While I think my brew method is great, I have no doubt that there are alternate methods / ratios of coffee to water etc. that generate better or different results. Please share your recipes and methods here.

    Thank you for you time. Duby




    FYI: If you're interested to see my method, take a look here: How to Make Cold Brew Coffee the Simple Way: 6 Steps (with Pictures)
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    Hi Snobs
    Quickly adding my method I have gone through various methods of cheap and quick.
    2 cups of course ground coffee in 2 litre container = 1500ml (water) / 500ml (coffee) or 3:1
    brew for 24 hours then filter I use a similar method to Duby.

    I brew 2, 2l jugs at any one time then have a 3rd in the fridge that has been filtered. I am planning to get a 5l food grade tub in place of the 2 jugs and eventually a 4l nitro keg for the fridge (not sure how the wife will feel about a keg and nitrogen bottle in the fridge)

    Does anybody make Nitrogen Infused Cold Brew. I am lusting after a iKegger Nitro Coffee Keg Package
    https://www.ikegger.com/products/the...arbonation-kit
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    Cold Brew

    I am enjoying cold brew coffee. I bought a cold bruer for about $130. I roast my own beans from coffee snobs with my behmor 1600 from coffee snobs. I drink it black as I am trying to lose a few kilos. Nearly there! I absolutely love it. I do enjoy my flat whites produced with my breville fancy machine. Pam

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    Good to hear you are enjoying your cold brews Pam, I always have a batch of cold brew in the frig during summer, I usually have a brew 50/50 with full cream milk, a really refreshing lunchtime treat!
    I usually roast a natural processed bean for the lovely fruity notes--enjoy!!!!
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    Hi, thinking of adding a tiamo bamboo cold dripper to my espresso machine as it is apparently good for super slow drip - which appeals for making a stronger brew. The question is will I then want a new grinder? currently on a Mahlkonig vario which is really only good near the espresso range. Cheers!

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    Hey all,

    Have just purchased the Yama cold drip (6-8 cup) and am looking forward to trying some cold dripped coffee. Used to espresso so will be interesting to see how it all goes.

    Have enjoyed reading the thread and finding out some tips and tricks to getting the best out of the brew. Will update as to success (or failure).

    Happy drinking.

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    Sssooo... Stupid question... Is there any reason why a French Press won't work for making cold brew? I figure it's really just the height of the pump thing in the fridge that may be an issue, no?

    Basically looking to work on a few different cold brew ideas, and buying 3 or 4 french presses is significantly easier to achieve where I am than any form of cold brew device. Can't even find cheese cloth for the bucket method... (Baguio, Philippines. We're opening up a cafe here, and I'm working on some naturally flavoured cold brew ideas).

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    No reason why it wouldn’t work. The only thing to consider and account for is that the brewing will continue while the water is in contact with the grinds. So it may over extract. But you can adjust grind size and time etc.

    In a cold brew device once the water has passed the grinds it sits separately and ready to drink.

    I have done cold brew with grinds in a bottle of water on the fridge. Shook it every now and then and then lastly decanted once grinds have settled.

    Many ways of doing it. Just experiment away.

    Cheers

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    Check out the body brew. Not sure if it’s available in the Phillipines but it may be a good option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by artman View Post
    No reason why it wouldn’t work. The only thing to consider and account for is that the brewing will continue while the water is in contact with the grinds. So it may over extract. But you can adjust grind size and time etc.

    In a cold brew device once the water has passed the grinds it sits separately and ready to drink.

    I have done cold brew with grinds in a bottle of water on the fridge. Shook it every now and then and then lastly decanted once grinds have settled.

    Many ways of doing it. Just experiment away.

    Cheers
    This was pretty much my plan, I've bought a few small (600ml) French Presses, and will spend a bit of time refining time/grind size, and then decant once done.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lukemc View Post
    Check out the body brew. Not sure if it’s available in the Phillipines but it may be a good option.
    Yeah, I've seen the Body, I live in Sydney 6 months/year, so getting hold of one is not an issue, though for commercial scale, I was looking at using stainless steel pots and making my own filter (I prefer stainless steel to plastic) - having said that, the Body isn't very expensive, so I may pick one up anyway.

    Basically, the lack of a proper cup of coffee here is what has led me to opening the cafe, there's a few good ones in Manila, but Baguio is very bare...

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    Yum. Cold brew in a French press works well. Use a corse grind and leave it in the fridge overnight to get a nice cold brew.
    Go for it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grillsy View Post
    Yum. Cold brew in a French press works well. Use a corse grind and leave it in the fridge overnight to get a nice cold brew.
    Go for it!
    Grillsy
    Having a crack at it now. Looking forward to messing around a little and seeing what I can get out of them.

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    Got a friend to bring me a Hario filter in coffee bottle from Manila (along with a syphon), it just arrived, so I'm back on the grinder, and going to do the first batch to Hario's recipe, and then compare to the two french press recipes I'm trying. I can see I'm going to need a pen, paper, and start taking notes.

    Z...
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    Behmor Brazen - $249 - Free Freight
    OK, first batch kinda sucked, though I think I also have not gone coarse enough. I'm using a Zassenhaus Santiago (I think) grinder, so adjustment is going to be interesting. Once I get it right, it will need to not be touched ever again...

    Flavours seem rather bitter, and no real notes from anything can be detected. Going to set to the coarsest setting for the next trial and see how we go. Brew time was 14hrs, I was aiming for 12, but overslept (whoops).

    My mind is alao very active now, after many cups of cold brew...

    Z...
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