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    Is it the grind, the machine or me? Its me , isnt it?

    Hi, I have recently purchased a 2nd hand baby Gaggia Dosata (shiny red)

    Seems to work fine, but I cant make a decent cup of coffee. From reading here a good cup is made in about a 30s pour. I am struggling to get a 10s pour if I overpack it and tamp it super hard. it rushes thru. If I tamp only reasonable amount if falls through in about 5s.

    We have a 10yo delonghi grinder that cost about $200. As far as I can tell its working fine. To test if the problem was the grind, I went to a cafe that roasts their own beans and asked them to grind 250gm for me for an espresso machine. To my fingers, it feels the same. And I got the same result - a 5s pour, or 10s if I got brutal with the tamper.

    I cant understand the machine can be responsible - it pushes hot water through coffee grinds, It either does that at sufficient pressure or it doesnt. Its up to the coffee to provide the resistance.

    So.... I dunno. What am I doing wrong?

    cheers!

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    When I joined Coffeesnobs, I pretty much had the same set up: a Gaggia Baby Dose and Delonghi grinder. Dunno if was the same grinder model you have but the coffee was crap with pours that were never slower than 15s - usually 10-12. The first thing I did was upgrade my grinder. That made a difference.
    You need to have a grinder that can grind for your conditions. Pre-ground won't work as they would be grinding for their espresso machine, not yours.
    We wpould also need to see your technique. Have you had experience with espresso machines before this?

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    Hey.

    We had a breville venezia el cheapo but it required a new group head rubber seal so often we got rid of it.

    I use the double basket and I put two slightly heaped spoonfuls into it using the plastic spoon thingy that came with. I have tried putting in more coffee than that and Ive worked out that too much is about two well heaped spoonfuls - it wont then allow the portafiller to close.

    Everyone says not to use huge amount of pressure and I dont. But as an experiment I tried cramming as much coffee as would physically fit in it and mashing it down and still it came thru way too easy.

    Perhaps I need to source another test grind, maybe from a gaggia shop or something, before I shell out.

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    No you don't need to go to a gaggia shop ( i don't know if one exists). If you were getting decent pours from your old machine, it sounds like your technique might need to change. Dosing usually means filling the basket to a mound and tamping once with even pressure. Don't overdose, don't underdose. Only practice will let you know the best level.
    What sort of tamper do you have? Ideally one that is a good fit for the filter basket.

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    Tell us about the beans you are using. When were they roasted and by who?

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    Quote Originally Posted by flynnaus View Post
    No you don't need to go to a gaggia shop ( i don't know if one exists). If you were getting decent pours from your old machine, it sounds like your technique might need to change. Dosing usually means filling the basket to a mound and tamping once with even pressure. Don't overdose, don't underdose. Only practice will let you know the best level.
    What sort of tamper do you have? Ideally one that is a good fit for the filter basket.
    When I took possession it had a plastic one and a steel one. We use the steel one both fits perfectly.

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    lady red blend.

    When we started we used our own grinder on some Grinders beans, because thats what we had, when that didnt work we got Red Bean to grind us some of theirs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trentski View Post
    Tell us about the beans you are using. When were they roasted and by who?
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    lady red blend.

    When we started we used our own grinder on some Grinders beans, because thats what we had, when that didnt work we got Red Bean to grind us some of theirs.
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    Behmor Brazen - $249 - Free Freight
    Got a used fully auto machine that has a grinder in it and everything - you press a button and the coffee comes out - its not too bad. Gave the old grinder to my sister.
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