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    Bellman CX25P Grind Advice

    I have a 10 year old Rancilio Silvia and Rocky combo. Have just bought a Bellman CX-25P for camping and wondering what grind to use. The Bellman documentation suggests medium grind but that's not very specific. The Rocky is set to around 8 or 9 typically for most espresso & flat whites we make with the Silvia. We also have a couple of Bialetti stovetops and I get the impression the Bellman grind should be somewhere in between the Bialetti and the Rancilio. However, Merlot has suggested the same grind as the Bialetti needs.

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    Why don't you try it out at home?

    I'd think you're on the right track with a grind similar to a Moka Pot or a touch finer. I suspect the Bellman develops a bit higher pressure than the Moka Pot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry O'Speedwagon View Post
    Why don't you try it out at home?
    I will be for sure, just interested in experiences from others with a Bellman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LRD414 View Post
    I will be for sure, just interested in experiences from others with a Bellman.

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    I own one, but only used it for coffee once or twice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry O'Speedwagon View Post
    I own one, but only used it for coffee once or twice.
    What did you use it for the other times
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    Quote Originally Posted by magnafunk View Post
    What did you use it for the other times

    Boom boom

    Steaming milk. To go with espresso from the Bacchi. The I realised that I didn't really care whether the milk was steamed or otherwise warmed.
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    Haha I didn't see that coming

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    Another question, there's a small pack of what looks like white paper filters provided with the Bellman but no mention of them in the manual or on YouTube. They have a central hole so look like they'd fit in the basket.

    Does anyone know what these are for? I'm also still looking for feedback on grind from people using the Bellman for coffee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LRD414 View Post
    Another question, there's a small pack of what looks like white paper filters provided with the Bellman but no mention of them in the manual or on YouTube. They have a central hole so look like they'd fit in the basket.

    Does anyone know what these are for? I'm also still looking for feedback on grind from people using the Bellman for coffee.

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    Hi Scott,

    The white paper filters are for use with the Bellman. They are an aftermarket accessory so that's why they aren't mentioned in the manual. You can use them to put on top of the coffee bed once it's in the filter. I never used them so I'm not really sure if they provide any benefits other than keeping the upper filter screen clean.
    When I had my Bellman I did quite a lot of experimenting with grind size and the amount of coffee I put in the basket as well as using a tamper. I got the best results when I ground the coffee similar to what I would for a moka pot, but probably a bit finer. You don't want it as fine as you would do for an espresso machine like a Silvia as you're brewing at much lower pressures.
    I used to slightly overfill the basket then scrape with a knife or something like that to level off. I'd then give it a very light tamp with the tamper. If you don't have the tamper you can just give the basket a light tap downwards on the bench to settle the grounds a bit. (You don't want to tap so hard that the finer particles start to migrate to the bottom).
    When brewing I'd start with the valve closed until a little bit of pressure started to build then open the valve until a little bit of coffee came out. I'd then close the valve again for a minute or so. In your case you'll be able to watch the gauge and open the valve again when it's up to pressure. Just open it enough to get a nice little stream of coffee. You might get a little bit of light crema, but not necessarily and it doesn't matter if you don't. As soon as it starts to splutter a little you're done. Close the valve at this point then get another container of some sort. Turn the heat up to full and open the brew valve again. You need to essentially drain the coffee into this container until it's virtually all steam and not much coffee. Close the brew valve now and watch you're gauge until you're at pressure for steaming. This will take about a minute or so depending on the power of your heat source. Steam your milk and enjoy!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeroyC View Post
    Hi Scott,

    The white paper filters are for use with the Bellman. They are an aftermarket accessory so that's why they aren't mentioned in the manual. You can use them to put on top of the coffee bed once it's in the filter. I never used them so I'm not really sure if they provide any benefits other than keeping the upper filter screen clean.
    When I had my Bellman I did quite a lot of experimenting with grind size and the amount of coffee I put in the basket as well as using a tamper. I got the best results when I ground the coffee similar to what I would for a moka pot, but probably a bit finer. You don't want it as fine as you would do for an espresso machine like a Silvia as you're brewing at much lower pressures.
    I used to slightly overfill the basket then scrape with a knife or something like that to level off. I'd then give it a very light tamp with the tamper. If you don't have the tamper you can just give the basket a light tap downwards on the bench to settle the grounds a bit. (You don't want to tap so hard that the finer particles start to migrate to the bottom).
    When brewing I'd start with the valve closed until a little bit of pressure started to build then open the valve until a little bit of coffee came out. I'd then close the valve again for a minute or so. In your case you'll be able to watch the gauge and open the valve again when it's up to pressure. Just open it enough to get a nice little stream of coffee. You might get a little bit of light crema, but not necessarily and it doesn't matter if you don't. As soon as it starts to splutter a little you're done. Close the valve at this point then get another container of some sort. Turn the heat up to full and open the brew valve again. You need to essentially drain the coffee into this container until it's virtually all steam and not much coffee. Close the brew valve now and watch you're gauge until you're at pressure for steaming. This will take about a minute or so depending on the power of your heat source. Steam your milk and enjoy!!
    Excellent feedback, much appreciated. We have purchased a tamper.
    I have also read online that the insert for reducing the quantity of coffee can allow water to go around the outside edges and reduce the quality of extraction.

    Scott

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    Quote Originally Posted by LRD414 View Post
    Excellent feedback, much appreciated. We have purchased a tamper.
    I have also read online that the insert for reducing the quantity of coffee can allow water to go around the outside edges and reduce the quality of extraction.

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    Yeah I never used the insert so can't help. I had heard it was difficult to use, but I had also hear of some people using it successfully.

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    Also the one little modification I did to mine was I drilled out the steam tip hole. As supplied the hole is less than 1mm in diameter and I found it created lots of pressure which meant it sent lots of air into the milk, but it was really slow to heat. By the time the milk was hot enough it was often over-stretched as it was a bit hard to control. I'd read about this mod on another forum so thought I'd risk it and give it a go. I used a 1mm drill bit and it was easy to drill out. It made a huge difference and although it was still a little slow to heat up it was a lot easier to control and the results were much better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeroyC View Post
    Also the one little modification I did to mine was I drilled out the steam tip hole. As supplied the hole is less than 1mm in diameter and I found it created lots of pressure which meant it sent lots of air into the milk, but it was really slow to heat. By the time the milk was hot enough it was often over-stretched as it was a bit hard to control. I'd read about this mod on another forum so thought I'd risk it and give it a go. I used a 1mm drill bit and it was easy to drill out. It made a huge difference and although it was still a little slow to heat up it was a lot easier to control and the results were much better.
    Thanks for this tip Leroy. Haven't used the steamer yet but have now made lots of coffees.
    The coffee has been excellent and to my taste very close to espresso and clearly better than the Bialetti stove top.
    The gauge does make it easy to keep things repeatable and consistent.

    Regarding grind, I found that the same as grind as the Bialetti has been good when given a light tamp as suggested.

    Scott
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    And another good tip I came across is to boil water first before putting it in the Bellman. This greatly reduces the time that the coffee is sitting in the basket getting hot from heating up the unit to get the water to initially boil.

    Scott

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    Quote Originally Posted by LRD414 View Post
    And another good tip I came across is to boil water first before putting it in the Bellman. This greatly reduces the time that the coffee is sitting in the basket getting hot from heating up the unit to get the water to initially boil.

    Scott
    Yes I always did this too.

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