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    Pre-Purchase Bellman CX-25 Queries...

    so im thinking of buying used bellman CX-25 (w/o pressure gauge) quite cheap from a guy. i just have a few questions to ask from bellman users before i go on with my purchase. i did some research reddit, forums and google but there are still some questions i have or i wasn't clearly understood so i felt the need to make a thread on it.

    • using bellman without pressure gauge is dangerous? i mean how would you know that it has peaked its pressure?
    • does it allow steam only? i know there is steam only variant of this product but what im asking is if i make coffee by other methods and now i just want to froth milk with this thing, can i do that? in such cases how to proceed and do i need to take off the brewing basket?
    • what grind size is best for bellman? if anyone can give reference a/c to Lido ET or something similar would be helpful
    • i have seen many videos on it, some ppl get plain black coffee and some get crema type espresso pour.. what special you gotta do to make such crema'y follow?
    • what is the usual time it requires to be ready to brew and froth?
    • how many double shots can it produce? i read 3 double shots, can anyone correct me? and how many half filled 350ml pitchers can it steam in 1 go?


    P.S the guy who is selling me this doesnt have reducer so can i put 3 cup amount coffee in this 9 cup espresso maker? will it still brew good coffee?
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    Hi,

    Hope I can help a little:


    "using bellman without pressure gauge is dangerous? i mean how would you know that it has peaked its pressure?"


    I had 2 or 3 of these and never had a pressure gauge. I would've loved a gauge as it would make it easier to use, especially on different cookers, but you don't need it. It takes more practice and trial and error, but you can still make very good coffee.


    "does it allow steam only? i know there is steam only variant of this product but what im asking is if i make coffee by other methods and now i just want to froth milk with this thing, can i do that? in such cases how to proceed and do i need to take off the brewing basket?"


    Yes it does. You set it up normally, but without coffee. When the water flows through the brew valve you let it all out then close it and wait until the machine is up to pressure before steaming. Very easy.


    "what grind size is best for bellman? if anyone can give reference a/c to Lido ET or something similar would be helpful"


    Similar to a moka pot, maybe a little finer, but definitely not as fine as an espresso machine. A light tamp is helpful.


    "I have seen many videos on it, some ppl get plain black coffee and some get crema type espresso pour.. what special you gotta do to make such crema'y follow?"

    You won't get proper crema as the pressure is too low. A light crema is possible, but isn't always an indicator of a well brewed coffee. Don't worry about it too much as there could be other factors in play (such as age and type of beans).


    "what is the usual time it requires to be ready to brew and froth?"

    Fill with water just off the boil as this speeds things up. Don't rush, you can't use high heat to brew the coffee. I'd say 5-6min to brew followed by another 2min for steaming.


    "how many double shots can it produce? i read 3 double shots, can anyone correct me? and how many half filled 350ml pitchers can it steam in 1 go?"


    You're not getting proper espresso so it really depends how you like your coffee. You should be able to make 2 coffees with it with no problem. You should be able to steam 2 separate small jugs of milk ok, with a short break between, if you want to do so.



    "the guy who is selling me this doesnt have reducer so can i put 3 cup amount coffee in this 9 cup espresso maker? will it still brew good coffee?"


    I never used it so can't comment really. Most people say the spacers are no good, but some find them ok to use. If you don't use a spacer you really need to fill the basket pretty close to full.


    Cheers.

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    Thanks alot mate for such a fine and detailed response.. really appreciate it.

    but im still confused on this comment..
    Quote Originally Posted by LeroyC View Post
    I never used it so can't comment really. Most people say the spacers are no good, but some find them ok to use. If you don't use a spacer you really need to fill the basket pretty close to full.
    what you mean by spacer not good? if spacer/reducer is used for 3 cup it wont brew good coffee? or will it be making same amount of coffee much diluted?

    so i cant use this 9cup basket to make 3 cup worth of coffee by putting 3cup worth of coffee? it will be extra dilute and watery?

    for the presure valve, even it gets really high pressure it will still be safe as it ill cont to release excess pressure?

    and is it worth buying this product if your getting it really cheap if it dint have spacer in it? and is there any way to buy a reducer separately or craft something that mimics reducer that originally it comes with?

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    Quote Originally Posted by texh View Post
    Thanks alot mate for such a fine and detailed response.. really appreciate it.

    but im still confused on this comment..


    what you mean by spacer not good? if spacer/reducer is used for 3 cup it wont brew good coffee? or will it be making same amount of coffee much diluted?

    so i cant use this 9cup basket to make 3 cup worth of coffee by putting 3cup worth of coffee? it will be extra dilute and watery?

    for the presure valve, even it gets really high pressure it will still be safe as it ill cont to release excess pressure?

    and is it worth buying this product if your getting it really cheap if it dint have spacer in it? and is there any way to buy a reducer separately or craft something that mimics reducer that originally it comes with?
    As I said I never used the reducer because about 99% of reviews and write ups online say that the machine is more difficult to use with it in place. If you want to make less than a full basket you really need to use it and you can buy it as a spare from Di Bartoli. If you've been offered a Bellman in good condition for less than $100 it's worth a try for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeroyC View Post
    If you've been offered a Bellman in good condition for less than $100 it's worth a try for sure.
    i dont think its bellman but some other maker as bellman has their name on the product. and im getting around $50 but without reducer.. is it still a good choice?


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    Quote Originally Posted by texh View Post
    i dont think its bellman but some other maker as bellman has their name on the product. and im getting around $50 but without reducer.. is it still a good choice?


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    The rights to this patent have passed through a few different hands since it was first invented in Italy. Bellman are a Taiwanese company that are the current owner. That looks like a Bellman iteration to me, possibly one of their early ones. Is the filter basket aluminium or stainless steel? If it's stainless it's definitely a Bellman and $50 is fair if it's in good condition inside and out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeroyC View Post
    If it's stainless it's definitely a Bellman and $50 is fair if it's in good condition inside and out.
    basket is aluminium ... and doesnt have the reducer.. thou the condition looks pretty mint

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    Quote Originally Posted by texh View Post
    basket is aluminium ... and doesnt have the reducer.. thou the condition looks pretty mint
    Ok. Based on the steam wand with the single bend I think it's probably an early Bellman made one as I'm pretty sure all the Benjamin and Medwin ones had two bends in the steam wand. It doesn't really matter as parts are interchangeable so all parts sold for the Bellman now by people like Di Bartoli will fit this unit. If it's in good condition I'd just use it as it is and upgrade to the stainless steel basket and shower screen in the future.

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    Behmor Brazen - $249 - Free Freight
    Nice find. I'm thinking about adding a pressure gauge in-line with the safety valve...

    Does anyone know the diameter of the threads on the pressure valve?


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