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    Espresso Forge owners?

    Wondering whether there are many (or any?) other AU / CS Espresso Forge owners out there?

    Interested to hear and see pics from Flair and Kompresso owners too.

    I've been having fun at work brewing some tasty shots and learning this contraption.

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    We now return the kitchen to regular staff brewing methods... see you tomorrow - same espresso time, same espresso channel.

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    Espresso Forge owners?

    A shot from the end of the week. Somehow got the Lido 3 dialled in about right and got the Espresso Forge fired up!

    Liking the 2 bar long preinfusion before ramping up...



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    Looking good! How many shots are you in now? Do you use any kind of preheat procedure? Break time is such luxurious when you can get that kind of result when your colleagues are probably dissolving those freeze dried stuff into hot water, with heaps of sugar & milk
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    Quote Originally Posted by samuellaw178 View Post
    How many shots are you in now? Do you use any kind of preheat procedure?
    Hi Sam. I've probably gotten in around 20 shots now. Normally followed your/Andre's pre-heat process before first session shot. Even just loosely sitting blind filter at the bottom and pour in straight from the zip boil to the chamber has been fine. Pre-heat the cups and leave that all warm up the metal while I get coffee ready in to the basket and tamp. End coffee temp in the cup seems about right. Follow up shots will cleaning flush through of some more zip boil water first.

    It is a good way to stay away from my desk for just the right amount of time - make a tasty espresso/double ris brew and clear your mind.

    On the money there with staff habits - there is a fair mix of Moc and also Nes instant drinkers in the office. I have gotten a few away from those by having the Brazen pot "instant" ready to pour instead. You never know, we may eventually build up to a plumbed machine with enough subtle and unsubtle hints - over months/years if necessary :-)

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    Love the new look Flair Signature edition all metal. Would love it if they attached a pressure gauge too. 🤣
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    Espresso Forge owners?

    Getting some really tasty shots with the Espresso Forge and Lido 3 at work (in between Brazen brewing)





    https://www.dropbox.com/s/yuco8krog5...11-17.mov?dl=0
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    "Interested to hear and see pics from Flair and Kompresso owners too."

    Guilty as charged.

    As previous owner of Matt's Forge it's pleasing to see that he is getting virtually daily use and with success. Also good to see that cut-down recycled concrete reo stool still doing duty as the Forge tripod!

    I have posted elsewhere about my experience with the Flair, which I purchased as a fill-in while waiting for the Cafelat Robot to come to market.

    I have found the Flair to be a very forgiving manual espresso machine. It definitely generates the pressure required to produce effective espresso.

    The only downside for me is the slightly messy clean up when some retained water always goes over your fingers when removing the filter basket from the brew cylinder. But that aside, the Flair is a very effective manual espresso lever which can be had for as little as $200; making it a very accessible espresso maker.

    Also committed to a Kompresso on Kickstarter just out of curiosity. It has been a pretty underwhelming experience, but others may have more success. However, the absence of rave reviews, like those for the Flair, says a lot.
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    Coincidentally, I checked Home Barista this morning and Paul Pratt has just posted another update and it seems as though the Cafelat Robot is edging even nearer to completion. He has now replaced a number of aluminium parts with stainless steel and is turning attention to cosmetic finishes. The thread is at https://www.home-barista.com/marketp...t47817-50.html

    Maybe we should rename this thread to provide a forum for owners of all types of manual espresso machines. Do any of the following possible titles encompass the types of machines we have a common interest in?
    manual espresso machines,
    manual lever espresso machines,
    pour over lever espresso machines, or
    open boiler lever espresso machines.

    Any other ideas?
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    Espresso Forge owners?

    Good idea Otago

    Javaphile could work some forum magic to change it to: manual espresso machines

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    How about: Comparing manual espresso machines or What manual espresso machine do you own.

    Having a single thread as an all encompassing discussion of manual espresso machines/devices would make it hard for users to find information on a specific model. Following that logic this entire forum would be comprised of only a few threads each turning into thousands of posts. Far better to have each thread be more targeted. This makes it much easier for folks to find an answer to a question they have. Putting everything in a single thread leads to the same questions being asked again, and again, and again, as people aren't willing to dig through page...after page...after page looking for the information they seek.


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    Thanks Javaphile. Good advice.

    "Been there done that"phile saves the day again.

    Any consensus for "Comparing manual espresso machines" or "What manual espresso machine do you own?"

    Would include the Robot when it eventuates and if I finally decide on one. The Flair has filled the void so effectively that the Robot will now have to be a reasonably attractive package to tempt me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Otago View Post
    Thanks Javaphile. Good advice. Any consensus for "Comparing manual espresso machines" or "What manual espresso machine do you own?"
    Don't mind either of those. Something that invites frequent posting of espresso pics or video of pours would be good :-)

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    Would include the Robot when it eventuates and if I finally decide on one. The Flair has filled the void so effectively that the Robot will now have to be a reasonably attractive package to tempt me.
    Hi Otago... good pickup on the Robot update from Paul this morning... exciting to hear it's going stainless and moving closer to production/release. Sounding like it might end up being more expensive than The Flair.

    Great thing about any of these manual espresso makers is that they really shouldn't ever break.

    I've been interested in Flair for awhile and now the Signature Ed. and S/S holder but then think the gauge on Espresso Forge or Robot likely provides invaluable feedback during the shot. For example if you want to stay around 2-3 bar for preinfusion for about 10 seconds. A lot of the great shots I've been following what I understand to be a pseudo spring lever style pressure profile - going up to around 8.5 bar and then trail off towards the end. (They may go a bit higher on pressure towards 10 bar at start?). Though in saying that have also tried to hold around 8-8.5 bar for about 80% of the shot time and then trail off.

    Appealing and shared across all of these manual brewers, I love the simplicity of use. Good alternative way of brewing at work or at home and relatively cheap for shot comparison to a home machine.

    At work we have a zip boil so that step is already done. I started out first pouring in to a jug and then in to the forge cylinder but now just going straight from zip boil in to forge cylinder.

    Otago, would be interested to hear more of what you think of your Flair when compared with your experience with the Espresso Forge before it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Otago View Post
    "Interested to hear and see pics from Flair and Kompresso owners too."
    The only downside for me is the slightly messy clean up when some retained water always goes over your fingers when removing the filter basket from the brew cylinder.

    Also committed to a Kompresso on Kickstarter
    Hi Otago. For a less watery cleanup, wondering if you've tried removing the piston, then re-adding it and pressing through again to shift more water out before unlocking for cleanup?

    (similar suggestion to what I've read and tried for Espresso Forge)

    Just clarifying, have you got the Kompresso yet or expecting it soon?

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    Hi Matt. Thanks for the suggestions.

    In regard to "wondering if you've tried removing the piston, then re-adding it and pressing through again to shift more water out" - this is not practical as the piston is a tight fit and there is not enough of the top of the piston to grab hold of.

    "have you got the Kompresso yet...?" Yes, have received the Kompresso.

    First impressions - this is a very diminutive portable espresso machine. Much more so than the impression I gained from the online videos. It is also very light so ideal for travel.

    The cylinder part fits in the Aeropress piston so you could the have choice of long black or espresso while travelling. But where would the Aergrind go?

    The materials used obviate the need for any pre-heating.

    Filter basket. I have noticed fines floating on the top of the extraction when a shot was diluted for a long(ish) black with milk. You wouldn't notice this in a pure espresso extraction.

    A Coffeetalk review of the Kompresso mentions that the filter basket is 300 microns. This compares with a typical Aeropress mesh filter of 150 microns, and there are plenty of other finer mesh filters on offer ranging down to 30 micron.

    First mod - a cut-down aeropress mesh filter now sits on top of the shower screen. I was expecting this to impact on production of crema; but this is maintained. The cut down mesh leaves a slightly ragged/prickly edge so I hope to swap this out in due course to a cut down Able Disc Fine.

    The seal on the shower screen dislodges easily when you try to clean the screen. And it does need cleaning after each extraction. It would be nice if there could a bonded seal, something along the lines of the silicone seal on the Flair shower screen.

    The functionality could be much improved if the piston had a release valve (along the lines of the release valve used in the Strietman/Newton espresso to charge the cylinder with water - but in this case applied in reverse) to allow it to be retracted slightly to then expel the last of the water. This would minimise an otherwise messy part of the process. You can do a work-around by slightly unscrewing the cylinder but it is awkward and can also result in some leakage. I noticed recently that Cafflano posted on Instagram a process of simply retracting the piston to expel the remaining water, so this must be an issue on which they are getting feedback.

    If the cup/tamper had been made just a fraction wider a much better tamp could be achieved. It is hard to avoid having a ridge somewhere around the basket. When all the water can be expelled there is a nice dry puck. As is typical in portable espresso machines with smaller diameter cylinder/filter baskets, there is a higher diameter/depth ratio in the puck. The filter basket is 47mm in diameter and pucks are typically around 25mm high.

    The aforementioned niggles aside, it is a good little portable espresso machine for the money (at least at Kickstarter price). It works straight out of the box and was worth the punt to see what it was like. It does a good job for what it is and should be popular with backpackers/hikers where weight and space are critical.

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    Behmor Brazen - $249 - Free Freight
    Happy Friday y'all! May your espresso pours be stripey and syrupy!



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