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    Quote Originally Posted by 446872756E6275636860070 link=1312978609/1447#1447 date=1330367262
    I have an 1139..... machine which is set at a nominal 12.5 bar using a blind basketI obtained the Smart Grinder 1124F series. It required the shim kit and the machine came with zero shims. I added the shims per the instructions and everything is now as described.
    I would suggest you adjust the OPV to 9.5 ~ 10 bar with a blind filter and use more finer grinding grinder (stepless grinder is preferrable for espresso machines) because such combination will give you more consistent and amused flavor of the coffee extractions.* Definetely, the current extraction quality of your BDB can be further improved up to those USD2500 Italian machines such VBM or Duetto 2 dual boilers.

    Quote Originally Posted by 446872756E6275636860070 link=1312978609/1449#1449 date=1330650901
    All this said I have a whole list of things I would like to see BUT if I wanted most of these things I would have paid $2000 - $6000 more for the machine for the privilege of ownership.
    Izzo Alex Duetto 2 will be my next machine but all of its features are not superior to BDB. For example, Duetto 2 takes 20 mins to reach the regulated temp. before pulling a shot. It has no volume based shot controls. Its pre-infusion is purely manual type operation. It has no auto power-on clock and almost cannot heat up the dual boilers in the same time for 110V AC power. Its E-61 group head needs to cool flush before pulling a shot...

    All these drawbacks are not for BDB. Honestly, if enhanced BES900 version will use higher quality piping and OPV / flow meters or even change to use rotary pump but keep the pricing under USD1500 or so, some Italian espresso machine manufacturers will be in danger to go down in their sales.

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    Re: Breville BES900 Dual Boiler - Owners thread

    Quote Originally Posted by 50575D5551475F50593E0 link=1312978609/1450#1450 date=1330664096
    Definetely, the current extraction quality of your BDB can be further improved up to those USD2500 Italian machines such VBM or Duetto 2 dual boilers.
    Hmm...I struggled to get similar body regardless of tweaks...It is a good machine for the price though.


    Quote Originally Posted by 50575D5551475F50593E0 link=1312978609/1450#1450 date=1330664096
    Duetto 2 takes 20 mins to reach the regulated temp
    :-? Debatable...Our Alex Duetto III are up and with a hot group more rapidly than that- 8 minutes. Nevertheless, its best (as with the Breville) to give it time for everything to warm. The results are in the cup.


    Quote Originally Posted by 3D3A30383C2A323D34530 link=1312978609/1450#1450 date=1330664096
    t has no auto power-on clock and almost cannot heat up the dual boilers in the same time for 110V AC power.
    1. Easily fixed with the purchase of a timer from your local hardware shop

    2. Thats why US models can operate on 15A or 20A (not that I care because Im not in the US) ;)


    Quote Originally Posted by 5B5C565E5A4C545B52350 link=1312978609/1450#1450 date=1330664096
    It has no volume based shot controls.
    Bonus- one less expensive part to have to replace if it goes bang. Experienced baristi watch their shots, so dont need volumetrics.


    Quote Originally Posted by 50575D5551475F50593E0 link=1312978609/1450#1450 date=1330664096
    Its pre-infusion is purely manual type operation.
    Factually incorrect. Might I suggest you do some research on e-61 anatomy and operation.


    Quote Originally Posted by 50575D5551475F50593E0 link=1312978609/1450#1450 date=1330664096
    Its E-61 group head needs to cool flush before pulling a shot...
    Nope. Wrong again....::)

    It may be best if you stick to what you know Nick. Have you had any significant hands on experience with a Duetto :-?

    Too much of this information is incorrect and may mislead potential buyers. Our current stock of 230V Australian product is configured to happily run on 10A circuits in dual boiler simultaneous mode.

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    Re: Breville BES900 Dual Boiler - Owners thread

    Hey Nick - Ive used both the Breville and the Duetto.
    Chris has covered most of it, but the Duetto walks all over the BDB any day. You should have a play of one if you get the chance and feel/taste/see/hear the difference.

    I tried the volumetric buttons on the BDB once and found it was way off. I couldnt be stuffed programming it because I find it easier to use the MANUAL button.

    Boiler Elements - The reality is it makes no difference that both elements are not activated at the same time. The Duetto has unlimted steam and the brew temp is always spot on. If it wasn’t for the lights on the Duetto, I wouldn’t know any better about what is happening with the elements.

    Just for your info, the number thats displayed on the BDB is just the brew boilers target temperature. You dont actually have visibility into the actual temp or whether an element is activated. Theres also no gauge for the steam boiler on the BDB, so you cant actually see the actual steam pressure. The great thing with the Duetto is that there is a light for the boiler + steam elements, and the display shows the actual temperature of both boilers.

    Cooling Flush - Ive never had to do it. Its a dual boiler and not your typical single boiler heat exchange machine.

    Preinfusion - Ive played around with the BDBs PI settings and can’t tell the difference in the cup.

    I have an external timer on my Duetto which I prefer over the Brevilles one. It’s great that the BDB has this feature, but I prefer the control of the external unit. For example, I set the Duetto to turn on 6:30AM during weekdays, except for Tuesday where it turns on 30mins earlier. On weekends, it turns on at 8AM. The flexibility doesn’t stop there – you can have the machine turn on more than once per day if required. The bad thing with the Breville is that the clock setting is lost when the power is switched off - you end up having to set the actual time, and the ON time each time you unplug the machine.

    Having said that, the BDB is a great machine. For me, its the machine I use when Im away from home. For the price, you cant really go wrong. It produces a decent coffee, its well designed and has lots of innovative features (even the water tank impresses me - it channels water into the drip tray in case you overfill it* :)).

    Results from the BDB are good, but not as good as the Duetto* ;)

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    Re: Breville BES900 Dual Boiler - Owners thread

    Quote Originally Posted by 797A6F69636B667A6B647E790A0 link=1312978609/1452#1452 date=1330689199
    Results from the BDB are good, but not as good as the Duetto* *
    Quote Originally Posted by 5E6B66615549656C6C6F6F0A0 link=1312978609/1451#1451 date=1330664425
    Our Alex Duetto III are up and with a hot group more rapidly than that- 8 minutes. Nevertheless, its best (as with the Breville) to give it time for everything to warm. The results are in the cup.
    Thank you for your corrections to my misleading statements regarding the Duetto 2. As you mentioned, Duett 2 performs better than BDB and that is the reason I would like to buy it.

    I have a question for you about Duetto 3. What is the difference between it and Duetto 2?
    Is Duetto 3 a customed made model for some dealers? or it is the Duetto 2 2012 upgrade version?
    Any difference between 110V and 220V models?
    For 110V 20A model, is it same as 15A model in addition to a special AC cord?

    Any of you would sell 110V model to me?

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    Re: Breville BES900 Dual Boiler - Owners thread

    Quote Originally Posted by 383F353D392F373831560 link=1312978609/1453#1453 date=1330693355
    I have a question for you about Duetto 3. What is the difference between it and Duetto 2
    Its actually the Alex Duetto II (Mark III). The names getting long now, so most refer to the the Duetto III. Tank beep, tank cover and a few other things were added.


    Quote Originally Posted by 383F353D392F373831560 link=1312978609/1453#1453 date=1330693355
    Is Duetto 3 a customed made model for some dealers? or it is the Duetto 2 2012 upgrade version?
    As per above.

    Quote Originally Posted by 383F353D392F373831560 link=1312978609/1453#1453 date=1330693355
    Any difference between 110V and 220V models?
    Yes- the relevant electrical componentry is rated at 110V* :-?


    Quote Originally Posted by 383F353D392F373831560 link=1312978609/1453#1453 date=1330693355
    For 110V 20A model, is it same as 15A model in addition to a special AC cord?
    Its exactly the same. You run dual boiler simultaneous, you need 20A.

    Quote Originally Posted by 383F353D392F373831560 link=1312978609/1453#1453 date=1330693355
    Any of you would sell 110V model to me?
    Nope- given AU market is circa 230V, there is not much demand for 110V versions.* :-?

    Id suggest that any questions re the Duetto should be raised in this thread: http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1260516382/all as were well off topic here. Perhaps a mod may want to move the last few posts.

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    Re: Breville BES900 Dual Boiler - Owners thread

    I have just purchased a bes900 and after appx 15 extractions I have found the following:

    Initially I was disappointed that I had lost the buttery texture that I was used to with my brasilia club, and the seemingly "flat" taste. However with a bit of tinkering and some experiments with temperature I found the following:

    95 Slight burnt taste, very light and fluffy texture with minimal depth of flavour
    94 Less body than 93 degrees, beginning to have fluffy texture, but very flat flavour
    93 light body with some depth of flavour and smoother mouthfeel
    92 better body, good depth of flavour and more of the buttery mouthfeel
    91 same as above with hints of sourness

    The other observations that I have had is that this machine is amazing for texturing milk, and supremely user friendly. I am hopeful that I will eventually be able to replicate the espresso that I have become used to.

    Overall this is a great machine (and congrats to all involved), however there are three (very minor) things that niggle me so far

    1) Auto start timer lacks the features that I would prefer (mainly that its a daily timer instead of a weekly timer)
    2) The clip that holds the basket in the portafilter is too tight for my liking
    3) There is no backflush insert and the cleaning disk seems insufficient for this purpose.


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    Re: Breville BES900 Dual Boiler - Owners thread

    Quote Originally Posted by 66535E596D715D54545757320 link=1312978609/1454#1454 date=1330711762
    Its actually the Alex Duetto II (Mark III). The names getting long now, so most refer to the the Duetto III. Tank beep, tank cover and a few other things were added.
    Thanks for the answers. I also learned that the MKIII model improved the fixture of the boilers to the chassis for safe shipping and US model wrapped insulator over the brew boiler to maintain the temp. Are these true for all 110V MKIII ?

    Quote Originally Posted by 66535E596D715D54545757320 link=1312978609/1451#1451 date=1330664425
    Bonus- one less expensive part to have to replace if it goes bang. Experienced baristi watch their shots, so dont need volumetrics.
    The volumetric based pulling control is very accurate on my BDB unit. I always can get 30ml shot within 38 sec to 42 sec by the 1 cup volume control. The extraction amazingly and consistently has "tiger striping" of crema in the cup.

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    Re: Breville BES900 Dual Boiler - Owners thread

    Hi All,

    Im looking to order some Cafetto from Coffeeparts to backflush my BDB with.

    Besides price and the organic properties is there any real difference in terms of machine suitability or performance between the Evo organic and the cheaper Cafetto Espresso cleaner?

    Thanks


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    Re: Breville BES900 Dual Boiler - Owners thread

    Quote Originally Posted by 6C667B66756A61507C62667B670F0 link=1312978609/1457#1457 date=1330765829
    Hi All,

    Im looking to order some Cafetto from Coffeeparts to backflush my BDB with.

    Besides price and the organic properties is there any real difference in terms of machine suitability or performance between the Evo organic and the cheaper Cafetto Espresso cleaner?

    Thanks
    Never used the Cafetto Espresso cleaner, however EVO is a good product, does an excellent job and a 500 gram container used weekly will last you for ages. ;)

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    Re: Breville BES900 Dual Boiler - Owners thread

    Quote Originally Posted by 0B3E3334001C3039393A3A5F0 link=1312978609/1451#1451 date=1330664425
    Quote Originally Posted by 50575D5551475F50593E0 link=1312978609/1450#1450 date=1330664096
    Definetely, the current extraction quality of your BDB can be further improved up to those USD2500 Italian machines such VBM or Duetto 2 dual boilers.
    Hmm...I struggled to get similar body regardless of tweaks...It is a good machine for the price though.


    Quote Originally Posted by 50575D5551475F50593E0 link=1312978609/1450#1450 date=1330664096
    Duetto 2 takes 20 mins to reach the regulated temp
    :-? Debatable...Our Alex Duetto III are up and with a hot group more rapidly than that- 8 minutes. Nevertheless, its best (as with the Breville) to give it time for everything to warm. The results are in the cup.


    Quote Originally Posted by 3D3A30383C2A323D34530 link=1312978609/1450#1450 date=1330664096
    t has no auto power-on clock and almost cannot heat up the dual boilers in the same time for 110V AC power.
    1. Easily fixed with the purchase of a timer from your local hardware shop

    2. Thats why US models can operate on 15A or 20A (not that I care because Im not in the US) ;)


    Quote Originally Posted by 5B5C565E5A4C545B52350 link=1312978609/1450#1450 date=1330664096
    It has no volume based shot controls.
    Bonus- one less expensive part to have to replace if it goes bang. Experienced baristi watch their shots, so dont need volumetrics.


    Quote Originally Posted by 50575D5551475F50593E0 link=1312978609/1450#1450 date=1330664096
    Its pre-infusion is purely manual type operation.
    Factually incorrect. Might I suggest you do some research on e-61 anatomy and operation.


    Quote Originally Posted by 50575D5551475F50593E0 link=1312978609/1450#1450 date=1330664096
    Its E-61 group head needs to cool flush before pulling a shot...
    Nope. Wrong again....::)

    It may be best if you stick to what you know Nick. Have you had any significant hands on experience with a Duetto :-?

    Too much of this information is incorrect and may mislead potential buyers. Our current stock of 230V Australian product is configured to happily run on 10A circuits in dual boiler simultaneous mode.
    Nick OV
    As to the internal piping on the BDB honestly believe Breville has the right idea by using the hi grade plastic piping as opposed to the copper piping as used in the Duetto for instance. The reason I suggest this is where there is a water quality issue the copper pipe really has a problem with scaling up very quickly where the piping as used by Breville takes much longer to scale up.
    My self in Edmonton, AB, Canada we have several issues with our water quality, one the risk of Beaver Fever, (Guardia) very difficult to kill completely, the other is the water is exceptionally hard meaning scale build up and anything of a rubber nature such as tap washers eat through in about 6 months.
    We can soften the water, removes the scale and hardness but not the potential parasite which is best removed by distillation. Many purists will say distilled water does not make good espresso. I prefer distilled as opposed to the risk. For the record the BDB does work with distilled water, contrary to any published documentation. I received my BDB unit 07-02-2012 and it has been working much better than any previous espresso machine we have ever had as far as the auto fill methods.
    There are more plus points about the BDB than any other home espresso unit currently on the market.
    Could it be improved, yes, however, and here is the caution, at what price to the design and at what cost to the consumer.
    This is not to say Breville cannot do it.
    My wife bought a pod machine about two years ago which I thought was a joke but compared to the other pod machines on the market it worked very well.
    When the Reviews began about the BDB espresso machine at first I was very skeptical, how could a machine costing 1/3 that of the Italian equivalent produce such good espresso. The answer is simple Breville did not know it could not be done. I had a laugh
    I am enjoying this forum, keep the comments coming
    Dave

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    Re: Breville BES900 Dual Boiler - Owners thread

    Quote Originally Posted by 48647E79626E796F646C0B0 link=1312978609/1459#1459 date=1330785725
    As to the internal piping on the BDB* honestly believe Breville has the right idea by using the hi grade plastic piping as opposed to the copper piping as used in the Duetto for instance.
    As you mentioned, hi grade plastic piping is good for prevention of limescale. I have CC1 espresso machine whose teflon graded pipes are more stable for high temperatrure environment.

    I also used cable ties to re-enforce the tightness of pipes connecting joins because I noticed the OPV hose clamp had slid away due to pumps vibration and caused decreased*gauge reading. I think brass pipes, their joins and piping threads should be tighter and more durable. However, it can be improved as I did to my unit.

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    Re: Breville BES900 Dual Boiler - Owners thread

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    I tried the CC! and to be blunt I was not impressed by the feel of the unit and again as with my Silvia it is a sequential unit.
    I wanted the Dual Boiler ability and when I found what I could have with the BDB for its price when compared to the much more expensive Italian models. and if I wanted reliable service, ME, The options are few. Once the Breville makes the parts available so that the home mechanic can purchase the parts as required I do not think there will be many issues. It would be nice to obtain a service manual and a parts break down c/w part numbers.
    The complex nature of the software is the only area which may pose any issue. the mechanics and layout are quite good. I would like to see more technical follow up however this machine was designed to be a toaster or tea kettle appliance and thus the support is based on that of an appliance as opposed to the typical espresso cultist device with secret hand shakes etc. I had a laugh

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    Re: Breville BES900 Dual Boiler - Owners thread

    Quote Originally Posted by 1A362C2B303C2B3D363E590 link=1312978609/1461#1461 date=1330810631
    I would like to see more technical follow up however this machine was designed to be a toaster or tea kettle appliance and thus the support is based on that of an appliance as opposed to the typical espresso cultist device with secret hand shakes etc.
    This is a crazy idea for Breville that BDB was designed as disposal kitchen appliance device just because of one or two replaceable parts cannot be renewed. Also, it is very strange that BDB cannot be de-scaled by users.

    I would like to see Breville designs BDB machine with "saving our planet" in her mind.

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    Re: Breville BES900 Dual Boiler - Owners thread

    Quote Originally Posted by 696E646C687E666960070 link=1312978609/1462#1462 date=1330827140
    Quote Originally Posted by 1A362C2B303C2B3D363E590 link=1312978609/1461#1461 date=1330810631
    I would like to see more technical follow up however this machine was designed to be a toaster or tea kettle appliance and thus the support is based on that of an appliance as opposed to the typical espresso cultist device with secret hand shakes etc.
    This is a crazy idea for Breville that BDB was designed as disposal kitchen appliance device just because of one or two replaceable parts cannot be renewed. Also, it is very strange that BDB cannot be de-scaled by users.

    I would like to see Breville designs BDB machine with "saving our planet" in her mind.

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    To sum it up, you get what you pay for & a targeted market, for which breville have done well. I can say I use a 800es but I have something very special on order, which is in the pointy end of the market... :D

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    Re: Breville BES900 Dual Boiler - Owners thread

    Much has been made of Brevilles statement that the BES900 is not able to be descaled by the standard user.

    However, I wonder how many multi-boiler machines are able to be descaled by the layman who doesnt know what they are doing?

    From what Phil has said, I am lead to understand that the task is not impossible, in fact, hes stated that its easier to descale the BDB then to adjust the OPV. Whether that is hyperbole or not, Can we PLEASE get off this tired old horse about "the end user isnt able to descale the machine" as being a reason to avoid this machine.

    its simply not the case, Its just that Breville doesnt recommend that the average home user tinker with the machine. Not that its impossible to do so. ::)

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    Re: Breville BES900 Dual Boiler - Owners thread

    Quote Originally Posted by 466B7F6D6263646D4B7E4C6B7E6F0A0 link=1312978609/1464#1464 date=1330833911
    its simply not the case, Its just that Breville doesnt recommend that the average home user tinker with the machine. Not that its impossible to do so.
    +1. Its getting a bit ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 183521333C3D3A33152012352031540 link=1312978609/1464#1464 date=1330833911
    Can we PLEASE get off this tired old horse about "the end user isnt able to descale the machine" as being a reason to avoid this machine.
    +1 also. Just enjoy the machine ;)

    if its like any other dual boiler out there, Im sure you can disconnect the water level probe to activate the water pump and flush everything out.

    Just use the filters that they supply you with and make sure you change it every 2 months (assuming youre using tap water). Replacement filters only cost $30 for a years supply which is pretty fair.

    On a different topic - does anyone know what the cleaning program is actually doing? It seems to be doing more than just building up pressure and flushing water through the 3 way valve.

    Also, does anyone know whether using a blind filter for chemical backflushing (a metal one without a hole) is going to have adverse effects in the long run? I assume theres none seeing theres an OPV but I thought id check any way.

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    Re: Breville BES900 Dual Boiler - Owners thread

    Quote Originally Posted by 567B6F7D7273747D5B6E5C7B6E7F1A0 link=1312978609/1464#1464 date=1330833911
    its simply not the case, Its just that Breville doesnt recommend that the average home user tinker with the machine. Not that its impossible to do so.
    I am asking Phil from Breville sent me a private message for the instructions to descale the BDB becauses my machine will not be serviced by Breville due to where I live. I will take the responsibility of descaling the BDB on my own and only need to know how a Breville engineer performs the descaling.

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    Re: Breville BES900 Dual Boiler - Owners thread

    I think its incredible that a brand new machine has been released into the market, and the worst that can be said about it is that the manufacturer doesnt recommend the end user de-scales it.

    What an fantastic job Breville has done.


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    Re: Breville BES900 Dual Boiler - Owners thread

    Quote Originally Posted by 77747C7A7D79757D6A2A180 link=1312978609/1468#1468 date=1330901551
    I think its incredible that a brand new machine has been released into the market, and the worst that can be said about it is that the manufacturer doesnt recommend the end user de-scales it.
    If you recalled previous OPV re-calibration issue for some BDB units, you will realize that Breville may not be able to support and provide massive descaling services after three or four years. So what I claimed for service manual for descaling is sounded no matter how Breville thinks it is not good for mechanical dummies.

    By that time, most of BDB machines have expired their warranty and some owner may dump the machine if the descaling cannot be done by any other local 3rd party technicians or by himself.


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    Re: Breville BES900 Dual Boiler - Owners thread

    This is probably a stupid question but can someone confirm that the BDB naked portafilter is not compatible with a commercial espresso machine (a La Cimbali to be exact).

    Im guessing the answer is no otherwise some of us would have bought a commercial portafilter for use with their BDB

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    I would imagine that theres enough coffee machine repairmen around who are brainy enough to descale a BDB. Hell, Who does all the servicing of the Cafes everywhere? Theyre certainly not able to be descaled by the majority of people

    Put simply this "Cannot Descale at home" is a non-issue. Its not something that will be an issue for five to six years, and by then, either the machine will either not be worth descaling, or it will be documented enough that the technical home user can probably do it.

    Five years is a pretty good run for any home appliance these days, Especially one with all the computerised gizmos inside it.

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    Re: Breville BES900 Dual Boiler - Owners thread

    Quote Originally Posted by 4F484E49545E3D0 link=1312978609/1470#1470 date=1330947837
    This is probably a stupid question but can someone confirm that the BDB naked portafilter is not compatible with a commercial espresso machine (a La Cimbali to be exact).

    Im guessing the answer is no otherwise some of us would have bought a commercial portafilter for use with their BDB
    I dont know what a la cimbali uses, but the bdb handle will fit an e61 head, but an e61 handle will not fit the bdb group.

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    Re: Breville BES900 Dual Boiler - Owners thread

    Rustic:
    This is the biggest confusion to me. Why Breville chose to build a totally different portafilter rather than adopt one like the Rancillio Silvia knowing full well that they are plentiful and many options are built for the Silvia including the bottomless and the Scarce to mention but two.
    However I must admit I do like the Stainless Steel as opposed to the Chrome plated brass. The choice was in my view not the wisest of moves. Similarly the group gasket is slightly different however on this point again it would appear the Breville is superior in its seal.
    Not sure if the decisions were made to avoid any paten rights or just to be somewhat different. Myself I would have used and many existing parts and eliminate the need to reinvent the wheel. If a part is known not to be broken why fix it. These are all decisions which a manufacturer must make and sometimes the decisions are made for a good intent but for the wrong outcome.
    I hope Breville does not end up on the wrong side of off the shelf parts.

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    my 3 day old sunbeam packed up so i couldnt help myself and jumped on bes900 train :D

    i got few quick question :)
    got it from (insert non sponor name here) for $1280 with the smart grinder, i figure that is OK price?

    on technical side of things, i notice fair bit of posts about the pressure issue, how can i test this myself? i see the world "blind filter" a lot, where could i purchase one ?
    also can i tell from the gauge at the front, during brewing or otherwise, that my unit is ok? when i pour with double filter gauge comes up to 10, so i figure it is one of the units that need calibrating, or i got it all wrong?

    btw, for smart grinder should I ring breville to get the shims, or is there chance it will work ok out of the box? (using my sunbeam 480 grinder for now)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 715D47405B5740565D55320 link=1312978609/1473#1473 date=1330956189
    hope Breville does not end up on the wrong side of off the shelf parts.
    Me too!

    I think there is a responsibility for any appliance manufacturer to support the products they sell eg. with spare parts availability. Unfortunately, and perhaps due to the manufacturers need to come up with new models every year or two, this isnt always the case.

    It will be interesting to see the fate of the BES860 when the infusion comes to market, especially now that there is a stand alone grinder.

    Quote Originally Posted by 71405D51320 link=1312978609/1474#1474 date=1330989003
    for smart grinder should I ring breville to get the shims, or is there chance it will work ok out of the box?
    There is a good chance it will work properly out of the box. If not, then yes, call Breville for the shims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5A594C4A4048455948475D5A290 link=1312978609/1472#1472 date=1330949001
    I dont know what a la cimbali uses, but the bdb handle will fit an e61 head, but an e61 handle will not fit the bdb group.
    Im actually intending to use a BDB handle in the La Cimbali group rather than the other way around. Will test it out the fit tomorrow.

    BTW, I dont actually own a La Cimbali (it belongs to the cafe near my workplace).

    Just interested in seeing if the barista has good technique.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1F3E353532285B0 link=1312978609/1475#1475 date=1330990388
    I think there is a responsibility for any appliance manufacturer to support the products they sell eg. with spare parts availability.* Unfortunately, and perhaps due to the manufacturers need to come up with new models every year or two, this isnt always the case.
    As you said and the reason that some Italian espresso machines such as Alex Duetto can hold over ten years is they outsource and use standard parts for easy repair and maintainance.

    As the worldwide espresso machine market scale is relative smaller than other home appliance such as TV, Breville is hard to promise the service capacity to descale or repair BDB machines when their warranty expire after three or four years. You cannot say an espresso machine pricing USD 1200 should go to trash can as it was designed as so.

    All I want to say is Breville and Breville users should have the responsibility to think about how to save our planet from throwing away things so easily. If the machine can be repaired or renewed or be sold after repairs, we are doing nice thing to our Earth.

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    Nick, you are sounding more and more out there.

    Are you seriously saying that people should buy an Italian machine over the Breville for the environment? Just because they havent yet published de-scaling procedures? Or is it because of your imagined lack of parts for a machine with a three year warranty?


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    Quote Originally Posted by 5C6D707C1F0 link=1312978609/1474#1474 date=1330989003
    i see the world "blind filter" a lot, where could i purchase one ?
    also can i tell from the gauge at the front, during brewing or otherwise, that my unit is ok? when i pour with double filter gauge comes up to 10, so i figure it is one of the units that need calibrating, or i got it all wrong?
    Check some of the site sponsors like talk coffee for a blind filter. If you are getting 10 it most likely means you have too much coffee or too fine a grind. Its very unlikely you have an OPV issue. I think 11-12 with a blind filter is ok according to Breville. You can also use the single dual wall basket with the silicon thingy supplied bt Breville and you should get 6-7 on the gauge. Again its real unlikely you have a OPV issue despite the hysteria being stirred up by some posts here.

    I suggest you read the whole of this thread - its good info - especially posts by Phil McKnight from Breville.

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    The Breville guys must sometimes think that they have stumbled across nutters inc. when they read some of the stuff in this thread.

    CSers and similar individuals represent a poofteenth of their market for the machine and most of the rest would think that scale is the thing used to measure the increase in the breadth of their derriere after a night on the pork belly and turps!* ;D

    I wouldnt think that Breville are likely to publish descale proceedure, nor provide service manuals (if they exist) nor any other information to do with end user service of the machine because they dont want to be held responsible for the demise of any enlightened individuals wishing to nominate themselves for the Darwin awards 2012.

    For the same reasons, Id assume that parts are made available to their service agent network and that is pretty much it.

    When you take such a machine into a part of the world where it is not sold, you assume the risk of large shipping costs if/when repairs are needed. Breville are not responsible for your decision, and neither should they be. The machine is an appliance and is not user servicable.

    Time to move on guys. Too much here is ridiculous!* ::) :D

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    Quote Originally Posted by 797A6F69636B667A6B647E790A0 link=1312978609/1466#1466 date=1330839134
    On a different topic - does anyone know what the cleaning program is actually doing? [s]It seems to be doing more than just building up pressure and flushing water through the 3 way valve.[/s]
    Just to make a correction to an earlier post.

    The cleaning cycle doesnt seem to be doing much. It doesnt seem to release any water via the 3 way valve. All the water (and detergent) simply exits via the portafilter. I am using the silicon disk + dual wall single cup basket.

    Its all good because I can still perform a back flush by holding the single cup button and releasing it once pressure has built up. Its the only way I can flush water through the 3 way valve.


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    Re: Breville BES900 Dual Boiler - Owners thread

    So apparently my Dual Boiler has gotten lost somewhere between Breville and [insert non-sponsor here]. Darnit why does this always happen to me..

    Slightly more on-topic, the Naked Portafilter has appeared on Brevilles website
    http://www.breville.com.au/parts-accessories/beverages/espresso/bnf58mm.html
    $100 plus postage

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    Re: Breville BES900 Dual Boiler - Owners thread

    after playing for a bit with my BDB today im in love.
    thermoblock always produced same coffee no matter what i did to it but with BDB today every adjustment on grinder gave me different brew.
    I tried not to mess with my tamping too much today and just see how grinding changes my coffee and it went from sour to bitter on extreme ends where drinking it without milk and/or suger was just not fun but then I dialed in my grinder step by step to shot so nice that when i expected to sip taste and put rest of the shot down the sink i instead had a coffee so nice that I had to drink it all

    btw i noticed that shot clock start from the time you hit the button, is this the correct shot clock or should i count from when the pressure rise up a lot higher?

    TIA

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    So...after quite a few months with my BDB and Smart Grinder, I think that I need a shim or two. whats the best one of getting one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3D3A222630276C6C6C550 link=1312978609/1484#1484 date=1331081804
    I think that I need a shim or two.
    Phone Breville.

    Barry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5A766C6B707C6B7D767E190 link=1312978609/1473#1473 date=1330956189
    This is the biggest confusion to me. Why Breville chose to build a totally different portafilter rather than adopt one like the Rancillio Silvia knowing full well that they are plentiful and many options are built for the Silvia including the bottomless and the Scarce to mention but two.
    However I must admit I do like the Stainless Steel as opposed to the Chrome plated brass. The choice was in my view not the wisest of moves. Similarly the group gasket is slightly different however on this point again it would appear the Breville is superior in its seal.
    Not sure if the decisions were made to avoid any paten rights or just to be somewhat different. Myself I would have used and many existing parts and eliminate the need to reinvent the wheel. If a part is known not to be broken why fix it. These are all decisions which a manufacturer must make and sometimes the decisions are made for a good intent but for the wrong outcome.
    I hope Breville does not end up on the wrong side of off the shelf parts.
    The entire machine is a proprietory design & minimal off the shelf parts have been sourced. Reason, because nothing was available to meet our specs apart from pumps, ball valve, needle valve & a 3 way solenoid, all Italian origin. The lug configuarion of the Silvia was not suitable as its designed to be used with a harder rubber seal not the softer dual edge design we use. Ours is simple to change no matter how long youve neglected it, but a harder rubber seal may be impossible for an end user to remove if its been neglected. Ive seen this often. You can buy a Scace to fit in one of our naked PFs. So actually we did have to re-invent parts that didnt suit our end specs.

    Cheers, Phil

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    Quote Originally Posted by 133239393E24570 link=1312978609/1475#1475 date=1330990388
    I think there is a responsibility for any appliance manufacturer to support the products they sell eg. with spare parts availability.* Unfortunately, and perhaps due to the manufacturers need to come up with new models every year or two, this isnt always the case.

    It will be interesting to see the fate of the BES860 when the infusion comes to market, especially now that there is a stand alone grinder.
    There is a statutory obligation to provide spare parts for a certain period. We have had the 800ES & BES250 in our range for at least 7 years so you can see range turnover is not great. Why? Because the cost of bringing a product to market is so high, you need a good few years to get an acceptable ROI.

    The BES860 isnt going anywhere because of the introduction of the BES840 "Infuser". Not everyone wants a stand alone grinder for various reasons, one being bench space another being portability.

    Cheers, Phil

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4E6B7C636E5D3B333C3A0A0 link=1312978609/1479#1479 date=1331009488
    Quote Originally Posted by 5C6D707C1F0 link=1312978609/1474#1474 date=1330989003
    i see the world "blind filter" a lot, where could i purchase one ?
    also can i tell from the gauge at the front, during brewing or otherwise, that my unit is ok? when i pour with double filter gauge comes up to 10, so i figure it is one of the units that need calibrating, or i got it all wrong?
    Check some of the site sponsors like talk coffee for a blind filter. If you are getting 10 it most likely means you have too much coffee or too fine a grind. Its very unlikely you have an OPV issue. I think 11-12 with a blind filter is ok according to Breville. You can also use the single dual wall basket with the silicon thingy supplied bt Breville and you should get 6-7 on the gauge. Again its real unlikely you have a OPV issue despite the hysteria being stirred up by some posts here.

    I suggest you read the whole of this thread - its good info - especially posts by Phil McKnight from Breville.
    I think you are right about the OPV issue.
    used different coffee today and grind made pressure reading difference.
    i used some not so fresh beans just to get them out there way while playing with my BDB and on same grind setting as fresh roast bean i got ~6bar reading, then i adjusted grinder twice and got perfect smack in a middle 9 bar and not too bad brew as well.
    the other fresh coffee seem to always push pressure up to ~9.5 bars unless i get almost choaker grind then i get it bounce off 10 bars

    quick side question, what is best starting temperature for mlik before texturing?, i think my fridge might be little higher then expected.
    i get whistle when i use milk from shop right after coming home with shopping but after it stays in my fridge for few hours i get no whistling at all during texturing.
    seem to texture better as well if i use it right after coming home with shopping and not so great after it been in my fridge for a while.

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    Try not plunging the wand as deeply in the milk and it will whistle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 252B2326212F203C38480 link=1312978609/1487#1487 date=1331086869
    There is a statutory obligation to provide spare parts for a certain period.
    Hi Phil,

    It is nice to know there are 7 years spare parts stock for 800ES and BES250. If those spare parts will only be consumed via Breville service systems, then it definitely takes much longer time to move all of the spare parts out to the markets and the time for ROI is longer than you expected.
    Another way to thinking about this is to offer renew kits through Breville websites or the dealers. I believe many users would like to buy some for future maintance by themself. The possible reasons to do so could be high cost to ship the unit back to Breville, cannot wait for long service time, the model had been phased out w/o any service from Breville or users with the ability to repair.

    Taking myself as an example, I alraedy bought an ULKA EP5 vibe pump for future repair and I may need other parts but cannot find them in any channels.

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by 393E343C382E363930570 link=1312978609/1490#1490 date=1331110388
    Another way to thinking about this is to offer renew kits through Breville websites or the dealers. I believe many users would like to buy some for future maintance by themself.
    I got to agree with that, I do everything I can myself, live away from city in area where i would have 2-3hour round trip to closest service centre.
    if i could buy parts and get things done myself i would.
    breville could always add 5 %or 10% if they must to cover the hole in budget from missing out charging us for it because for some it wouldnt be about the money but about convenience.

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    No surprise, but for those interested the BDB handle did not fit in the La Cimbali group

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7F78727A7E68707F76110 link=1312978609/1467#1467 date=1330842480
    Quote Originally Posted by 567B6F7D7273747D5B6E5C7B6E7F1A0 link=1312978609/1464#1464 date=1330833911
    its simply not the case, Its just that Breville doesnt recommend that the average home user tinker with the machine. Not that its impossible to do so.
    I am asking Phil from Breville sent me a private message for the instructions to descale the BDB becauses my machine will not be serviced by Breville due to where I live. I will take the responsibility of descaling the BDB on my own and only need to know how a Breville engineer performs the descaling.
    Quote Originally Posted by 27292124232D223E3A4A0 link=1312978609/290#290 date=1315603414
    Quote Originally Posted by 6B687A7A6B666F767A1F0 link=1312978609/288#288 date=1315574247
    and then what happens after 4/5 years hopefully theyve figured out how they going to descale it
    When the machine is returned to one of our service centers, it will be drained by removing the tubes supplying water to the 2 boilers, inserting small hoses into the boilers & sucking out the water. Water inlet tubes will be replaced & the boilers filled with a de-scale solution via the water tank, left for the appropriate time, then the boilers drained the same way, re-filled & drained with fresh filtered water several times so there is no de-scale solution residue, then returned empty to the customer for use. Its not a complicated process, but clearly one we cant endorse being done by a customer while the machine is under its 2 year warranty. Im sure after the warranty period is over, many on this forum would be capable of performing the de-scale themselves.

    Cheers, Phil
    looks like he already posted steps for descaling

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    Quote Originally Posted by 51607D71120 link=1312978609/1493#1493 date=1331136226
    looks like he already posted steps for descaling
    Well spotted, hes a crafty poster* ;D

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0F3E232F4C0 link=1312978609/1491#1491 date=1331112566
    Quote Originally Posted by 393E343C382E363930570 link=1312978609/1490#1490 date=1331110388
    Another way to thinking about this is to offer renew kits through Breville websites or the dealers. I believe many users would like to buy some for future maintance by themself.
    I got to agree with that, I do everything I can myself, live away from city in area where i would have 2-3hour round trip to closest service centre.
    if i could buy parts and get things done myself i would.
    breville could always add 5 %or 10% if they must to cover the hole in budget from missing out charging us for it because for some it wouldnt be about the money but about convenience.
    Just buy a 2nd machine. Its the only way you can be sure you have at least one replacement for anything that might go wrong. ;) ;D

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    Quote Originally Posted by 08292222253F4C0 link=1312978609/1495#1495 date=1331163623
    Just buy a 2nd machine. Its the only way you can be sure you have at least one replacement for anything that might go wrong.
    That is ridiculous and nonsense. If I have sufficient money, I will buy Breville so that I can replace any parts I want to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5F58525A5E48505F56310 link=1312978609/1496#1496 date=1331166066
    Quote Originally Posted by 08292222253F4C0 link=1312978609/1495#1495 date=1331163623
    Just buy a 2nd machine.* Its the only way you can be sure you have at least one replacement for anything that might go wrong.
    That is ridiculous and nonsense. If I have sufficient money, I will buy Breville so that I can replace any parts I want to.
    Have it your own way Nick. Ive not heard of anyone apart from you who is silly enough to buy something that isnt supported in their country of abode, or of anyone who goes out and buys a brand new coffee machine, then immediately stockpiles an array of parts just in case something goes wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 71505B5B5C46350 link=1312978609/1497#1497 date=1331167708
    Have it your own way Nick.* Ive not heard of anyone apart from you who is silly enough to buy something that isnt supported in their country of abode, or of anyone who goes out and buys a brand new coffee machine, then immediately stockpiles an array of parts just in case something goes wrong.
    Have to agree with you Dennis, I live 2.5 hours from my nearest service centre, no big deal, if I experience a problem (never have) can pull out any of half a dozen other coffee makers I have, identify and order parts I need, have them by post from coffeeparts within a few days and up and running again within a week or so.
    I dont have a compulsion to build a stockpile of spare parts, although I do keep a new grouphead seal on hand just in case. ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 63646E6662746C636A0D0 link=1312978609/1496#1496 date=1331166066
    ridiculous and nonsense. If I have sufficient money, I will buy Breville so that I can replace any parts I want to.
    Yep- ridiculous it certainly is. Lucky its not an iPad you have. I hear Apple is pretty cashed up and probably not for sale anyway... ::)

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