Long time lurker here. I just purchased a Lelit Combi (with the PID) yesterday, but so far I have not been able to make a remotely drinkable coffee.
I started off with the hopper set at "3" (as per out of the box and instructions), and I hadn't adjusted the dial on the side of the machine. When I turned the pump on, I had to wait quite some time before I got a few miserable little drops. So no joy there. I had tamped as per the instructions I was given instore.
I have made adjustments to both the hopper and the side and seem to get either coffee running out in streams (though this doesn't happen often!) or a few drips. When I do get enough to drink, there is not much of a crema to speak off and the smell is quite terrible - I have tasted it and it is horrid. The liquid is quite 'watery' and no where near the colour or consistency that the helpful gentleman in the store was getting using the same machine.
I have gone through nearly 300gms of beans trying to get something drinkable. If I get time, I might be able to call the store I bought it from tomorrow (but most likely won't get the chance until Thursday).
I doubt that the problem is the machine, I am certain I'm doing something wrong, but I don't know what and I don't know how to fix it.
I have included a link below to some photos if that helps (sorry, I can't seem to upload photos).
Any advice would be helpful.
The dose looks ok. What happens if you set the grinder on its coarsest setting?
Hi Telemeister, sorry you cant get to enjoy your new machine yet
If you haven't got this sorted by tomorrow, give the retailer a call. If you purchased from a site sponser or any reputable store, they will certainly want to get you up and running.
Not much difference is made with the coarse setting. The folder has new photos, labeled 1 - 6. The first three are with the hopper set to 7 (coarsest setting) and the next have the same setting on the hopper and the dial on the side has been set to the coarsest side possible.
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Having been roasted over 3 weeks ago the beans are not fresh. They may be drinkable (Based on your pictures and description it doesn't appear they are.) but they are no longer fresh. At best they could be described as aged. In general roasted beans are good for 2-3 weeks after being roasted. Exactly how long beans are good for depends on many variables among them being the varietal, the roast depth, and how they were stored.
I'm surprised that a site sponsor would sell you beans that were over 3 weeks old. Perhaps an old bag was mistakenly left on the shelf. I would discus the issue with them and get some beans that were roasted with-in a few days of purchase and try again.
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Try the beans that were roasted on 10/3 and see how they go.
If you haven't already I would suggest you have a look at this thread for an introduction on the storage of roasted beans: http://coffeesnobs.com.au/roasted-be...ted-beans.html
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How are you adjusting the grind? The hopper free spins around so the only impact on grind you'll have is twisting the black nob on the side. I suspect you probably knew this already.
Older beans is something to think about later, but right now, even with older beans you should be able to get a faster and fuller shot, so until you've got gushing shots, it's a red herring. When you do get 'enough' to drink, I reckon it's found a point of weakness through the far too fine puck, and just over-extracted through that channel, so it'll be thin, watery, sour and bitter all at once. No crema, and still no-where near a 50-60ml in 30 seconds.
It's too hard to tell from the prepared puck photos, but the other photos suggest the grind may be too fine. A soggy puck (retaining water due to higher surface area and increased density) and low extraction output.
My advice - try running the grinder while moving it coarser (normally only strictly necessary when making it finer) to see if it can move further than it seems to want to go. The smaller mechanisms like these ones can sometimes need it.
Something that is highly unlikely, but still considering briefly, is how hot the brewing water actually is. If it's not around the 93-96 range (as in, if it's its like at 80 or so instead), it'll have trouble extracting.
Also if you're in Sydney, or somewhere as humid as it has been here over the past 24 hours, that could potentially be totally messing with you. I've had trouble dialling in my shots this weekend simply because the humidity meant the shot was more inclined to choke.
I'm thinking that it is probably the grind that is the issue, but changing the dial hasn't seemed to make much of a difference. If it is on coarse or fine, I'm still not getting much from extraction.
So can you try activating the grinder while winding it right back?
Try this - can you activate the pump for 30s without the portafilter in and tell us how much water comes out of the grouphead? (As in, put a measuring jug or a scale under it)
If you're up for it, wind the grinder out, grind for a few seconds into a cup, and throw the grinds onto a piece of white paper and take a photo of the grinds.
Of course, if the guys at the retailer said to bring it back.....then bring it back.
I've kind of pushed OP on that, but we haven't had confirmation that a coarse grind has resulted... my hunch is it can still go further, but who knows!
Yes, the grind was too fine, it is now working well.
Thanks everyone for the input. Feeling sheepish, but am now having a good cup of coffee.
All is well that ends well. Enjoy your coffee! (FWIW, when I first got my machine I wasted 750g of Campos single origin coffee trying to get it right. Made me pretty sad, but it is what it is!)
Only got to read this thread this morning and glad it all worked out. I have had one of these machines now for 8 years, mine is the non PID version, and besides an element change a couple of years ago (I did this myself including a steam valve service), it has been a solid machine with daily use.
The bean hopper actually lifts off (make sure it is empty first) and then you can put it back with the markings in the right place. Once I had my grind sorted, I put it back so that it was in the middle of the markings. So now I can adjust the grind either way for different beans.
ive got the PID version, my shots are extracting at 95°
My point being photos like the OP's are not going to be caused by supermarket beans or at least not Lavaza or Grinders (Vittoria is dry crap so not included) from my experience and a cheap way to get the settings close.
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