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    Italians and Grease

    What is it with Italians and grease?

    Before everyone jumps down my throat, my father was Italian, I've been there quite a few times, and I even speak a bit.

    So, I've made two significant purchases of Italian equipment. The first was a Gilera Fuoco - a 3-wheeled 500cc scooter made by Piaggio. A fun device. Until I had to pull apart the steering head(s) and discovered that the assembly crew must have gone to lunch instead of greasing the head bearings.

    The second is my La Pav Pro. I've had it for 9 months, and I bought it off a Snob who'd only just bought it new. So it was essentially new. It makes a great coffee, but the lever has always been "sticky" - hard to lift up, not travelling smoothly. I got sick of it this morning and pulled the group head apart. I cleaned, greased and re-assembled it. It's WONDERFUL! It can't have had any lube when new....hence my question.

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    I've got tears, they're multiplying... maybe it's reserved just for hair in Italy?
    Great result with the Pav though.

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    Ciao bello!

    Agreed! we always re grease machines; taps, levers etc when they come through. They always seem to need a top up.

    My nonno always had a jar of brille cream in the bathroom, and applied it liberally to his balding head, quite a sight!

    Noonar may be correct

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casa Espresso View Post
    Ciao bello!

    Agreed! we always re grease machines; taps, levers etc when they come through. They always seem to need a top up.

    My nonno always had a jar of brille cream in the bathroom, and applied it liberally to his balding head, quite a sight!

    Noonar may be correct

    Antony (Antonio) de Fina
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    Complimenti Antony!

    When you mentioned Brylcreem I thought for a horrible moment you were going to suggest it as an E61 lubricant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    When you mentioned Brylcreem I thought for a horrible moment you were going to suggest it as an E61 lubricant.
    A little dab'll do ya!

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    Quote Originally Posted by flynnaus View Post
    A little dab'll do ya!
    Ancient history, never took to Brylcreem, preferred the "fine light oils of Californian Poppy"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6F4GtyRfto

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    I'm assuming your Gilera and La Pavoni were made on a Friday or Monday!!
    Ahh the delights of Californian Poppy combined with Bay Rum.....

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    I use bay rum to this day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phincala View Post
    I'm assuming your Gilera and La Pavoni were made on a Friday or Monday!!
    Ahh the delights of Californian Poppy combined with Bay Rum.....
    This thread went in an entirely different direction than I anticipated.

    Yes, I must check the manufacture date...

    Just had my third coffee after the teardown. Still wonderful.

    S de Fina, da dove la tua famiglia? Siamo da Liguria.

    Gonzo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    Complimenti Antony!

    When you mentioned Brylcreem I thought for a horrible moment you were going to suggest it as an E61 lubricant.
    You have the correct spelling, Yelta, thankyou.

    If it was "food grade" Brylecreem .... maybe.... no no... no...!!

    Antony

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    Quote Originally Posted by gonzob View Post
    This thread went in an entirely different direction than I anticipated.

    Yes, I must check the manufacture date...

    Just had my third coffee after the teardown. Still wonderful.

    S de Fina, da dove la tua famiglia? Siamo da Liguria.

    Gonzo
    Ciao Gonzo,

    Excuse my Italian, I can read a bit but not write.

    My family is from the south from the Aeolian Islands, a small one called Filicudi. Just a magical place..

    Antony

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    In my work on commercial espresso machines (and a fair few domestics) it seems the Italians want to save money by using the tiniest wipe of grease where it is needed, or sometimes none.
    I've dismantled new equipment to lubricate knob threads and the like where equipment out of the box felt almost worn out due to stiff, binding steam knobs.
    And I've had to fit new steam taps and knobs to some machines at 6 months old, as 6 months of constant use from new without lubrication has worn the threads until there was almost no metal left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MorganGT View Post
    In my work on commercial espresso machines (and a fair few domestics) it seems the Italians want to save money by using the tiniest wipe of grease where it is needed, or sometimes none.
    I've dismantled new equipment to lubricate knob threads and the like where equipment out of the box felt almost worn out due to stiff, binding steam knobs.
    And I've had to fit new steam taps and knobs to some machines at 6 months old, as 6 months of constant use from new without lubrication has worn the threads until there was almost no metal left.
    Aah! It's not my imagination. Certainly on the Piaggio/Vespa/Gilera forum it's a regular complaint.

    Gonzo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casa Espresso View Post
    Ciao Gonzo,

    Excuse my Italian, I can read a bit but not write.

    My family is from the south from the Aeolian Islands, a small one called Filicudi. Just a magical place..

    Antony
    Ciao Antony,

    My wife and I spent a week on Lipari a few years ago. "Magical" isn't strong enough. Apart from the rocky beaches of course...

    Gonzo
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    Quote Originally Posted by gonzob View Post
    Ciao Antony,

    My wife and I spent a week on Lipari a few years ago. "Magical" isn't strong enough. Apart from the rocky beaches of course...

    Gonzo
    Yes Lipari is beautiful.

    I have a cousin who owns a gelato shop there where the Aliscaf come in at the Harbour.
    Filicudi is only a hop and a skip from where you were.

    Ciao
    Antony

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    could be worse, could have bought a Ferrari and it caught on fire

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