Hard choice between that and a Mazzer Mini...
I especially like the Group Handle holder on the Macap, I think its much better positioned than the one on my Mini.
Ex-demo courtesy of John Doyle (AKA Pinot).
The grinder is pretty damn good, just needs a lot more practice (and a greater stock of beans).
Hard choice between that and a Mazzer Mini...
I especially like the Group Handle holder on the Macap, I think its much better positioned than the one on my Mini.
As of the weekend, I have a Unico Splendor and Macap M5 grinder.
Did he throw in a pair of very dark sunglasses to stop the glare? Ditto, very nice. Makes the old Silvia rather leaden-loking.
I want in on this too!
Just got a shiny new toy this afternoon - expobar office pulser, to sit next to the maz ... thank you very much Rob Forsyth and Sybilla Barry @ Forsyths in Naremburn ... this is a very nice machine, very sexy once I unwrapped it from all that sticky contact stuff they stick on stainless steel ... I just hope that mirror finish lasts!
Hhhhmmm...Shiney new heavy metal toys! :) Gotta loveem! ;D
Java "Its all about the toys!" phile
Do my eyes deceive me?..... is that a Kimbo espresso cup?..... hehehe I scored one from a Café in France when I was there....... It was one part of the other many cups that I brought back.....
Nice machines are being seen here....... there indeed some very lucky people...
As I said before..... Coffee Needs to be made with Love, Passion and an understanding of Coffee... You also need to have a good understanding of good equipemnt, why?... Quite a lot of the good equipment is made by companies who know what is required for a good extraction.....
Thats my inflated thought at least
yeah, thats a kimbo cup - incidentally found a set of six in St Vinnies for $6, while I was buying stuff for my youth group - they were unopened, never used!
Gotta love ya local vinnies.
My motherin-law won these (6 Espresso, 6 Cappa) in a competition in "Il Globo" and gave them to me. I love em!
Yeah, theyre pretty nice cups - I like my la marzocco ACF cups better though ...
gee tim, thats a really clean work area ... you put me to shame!
I guess he doesnt use that gear and has gone back to the Sunbeam *;Dgee tim, thats a really clean work area ... you put me to shame!
(1,2,3,4,5... <-- counting while waiting for the bite from Tim and/or Monti) *;)
I am required to keep my "designated coffee area" clean.....harumph!!!!!!!!!
(I really just tidied up for the photo ::) )
Just remember Freeman, I know where u live! ;)
PS: The Sunbeam has been cleaned up, descaled and is now living out a dignified, pleasant retirement at my in-laws. No longer being forced to push out heavily tamped, constipated shots, Basset-style. (oh how I tortured it!).
...but to its credit it survived the couple of years of abuse(oh how I tortured it!).
(and pulled a pretty good shot too). :)
Silvia & Rocky
Here is my setup =D I cleaned out the top of my chest of drawers in my wardrobe and yeah, amateur for most coffee people but I think its quite professional looking for a 20 yearold uni student =D
My mum didnt want me to have it in the kitchen, and neither did I =D Dont worry though, Ive used it about 40 times now and I havent spilt any coffee on the floor yet.
hmm ... interesting flavoured syrups there ... why arent they available at my local gloria jeans?
Ah, hehe.. If I kept them anywhere else, Dad would get in to them!
This thread clearly shows what an entertaining & inventive lot CS are!
Ill add my 5 cents worth, although its nowhere as interesting as some of the stuff described to date. Im a newbie with some new gear (why? like some other CS, I like new toys!): BZ99S Classic, Rocky Doserless, no name (but gorgeous & very heavy) SS tamper, a couple of nice SS jugs, Grindenstein knock box, motely collection of cups, not many beans.....yet.
Still to come is a filter (?suggestions), decent timer & eventually, roaster.
The Bezzera machines are exceptionally well designed especially with respect to the heat exchanger and the stable temperature profiles they provide.
I have the BZ-40P and Sparky(Mark) has a BZ-35 and were very happy with our machines. Your machine is sold in the US as the Pasquini Livia 90 and is probably one of the most popular machine on the market.
Jack and Renzo at Barazi do give excellent service. I can vouch for that as I had problems with the BZ-40P (an abused second hand machine now running perfectly - read the thread). They never gave up on me even though it was a bit of a marathon identifying the problems ie. incorrect heat exchanger fitted and wrong jets fitted.
I am also a fan of the Rocky doserless and I think it is the best grinder on the market for home use as it is so compact and easy to use. I find it ergonomically well designed and easy to fill the portafilter which requires you to move the portafilter around as you grind.
You have some excellent equipment there and that means if you make crap espresso, it will be your fault!
Seriously, if you do have problems anyone on CS will be happy to help you out. The only problem may be that we are a bit eager and sometimes have different advice, but hey with espresso not many things are chiselled in stone!
All the best,
Wow that machine looks very retro wattgn. I think it would look good surrounded by a wooden kitchen =D
The kitchen has a lot of brick in it but I think the Bezzera fits in with most kitchens as stainless steel seems to be the in thing these days. In fact the retrolook is the focus on the machines like the Giotto and the like. The old fashioned built like a brick shithouse look but with enough knobs and dials to make it look sophisticated and technical.
It is quite a large machine (3.4L boiler, rotary pump and two 1400W elements) but I have been lucky to find a corner to fit it in. It all worked out pretty well. Kitchen real estate is an issue though when you get up to the bigger machines and can be a real limitation in choosing a mahine. This one is plumbed in too which is great but another challenge for people. Hooked up to a double cartridge filtration system for the water supply and a drain.
Mind you Java has a La Cimbali M28 in his kitchen or will have when his kitchen is rebuilt! This has a 10L boiler or thereabouts. I should get him to post a picture of it when his kitchen is all back together.
Yes, ol Java-loves overkill - phile
Master Chief - You sure thats not a garage sale. *Those alcoholic beverages so close to the hardware are a bit of a worry. *I guess it makes it easier to act once youve decided upon the lesser of two evils on a daily basis. What is the cup of sand for? *:P
Ha, imagine trying to fit Grants plumbed-in beauty in a wardrobe ;D
I had a laugh @ cup of sand.. its my Country Road mug that my brother got me for my 19th birthday last year.. It says Sun Surf Sand or something. =D
Thanks for the info & words of encouragement. Ive been following the saga of your BZ40 restoration with some interest & it is this which sparked my interest in Bezzera machines. As you say, they appear to be very well made but thats not to say many, if not all, others in this class arent. From what I can gather, the ECM & Rancilio HX machines certainly are. There was a new 99 with the top off at Barazi when I went there last week & I was very impressed with the standard of construction & high quality components used throughout. It was this which ultimately pushed me in favour of the Bezerra, rather than its looks. I thought the Giotto looked good from photos but once you see it the flesh (?metal), it leaves most others severly wanting in aesthetics. But the Bezzeras are not without appeal, in a slabby, acres-of-highly-polished-SS & rather "cubic" fashion. It (& the Rocky) look very well together in my kitchen (see photo) which is largely European beech, dark benchtops & polished timber. I think it would fit into most decors but fitting into a domestic situation is not what these semi-commercial units do well. They are meant for higher things.............
From your photo, the 40 looks to be the same size as the 99, which takes up a fair bit of space on the bench, especially when surrounded by the associated gear (grinder, filters, tamper, etc.) But the results justify its bulk & weight. Ive never tasted better coffee than what Im now preparing, shot after shot, & thats using some very ordinary old beans that have been rattling around in the fridge for ages. When I bought the gear, Jack gave me a small quantity of what he reckons is the best beans hes ever tasted (home roasted but Im uncertain of their origin) so Im looking forward to trying these this week.
So far, I think the cost has been worth it - the results have (to coin a much used cliche) exceeded my expectations. Hopefully, it will get better.
Nice rig Tony. I see you got the model with the pressure gauge. Thats a nice touch.
I have a BZ 35e from Barazi. It was a restoration job, like Grants, but worth the time and effort.
I think youll find that the BZ 40 is quite a bit larger than the BZ 99. The BZ 35 is somewhere in the middle, larger than a BZ 99 but smaller than the BZ 40. As for build quality, I think Grant often refers to the removable heat exchanger units used by Bezzera. Apart from Cimbali, most other machines dont design their heat exchanges this way. Im not sure which is way is better, but one advantage of remavable HX units is in cold climates where water can freeze in the HX unit. This can rupture the HX unit. If that happens with a Bezzera or Cimbali, you only need to replace the HX unit, ortherwise you could be up for an entire boiler.... This is a scenario not really likely to happen here in Australia, and especially here in Queensland.
The other pertinent design difference in the HX unit pertains to how the cold feed water mixes with the heated water in the HX unit. I think the jury is still out on this one.
At the end of the day, you buy your machine and enjoy it and try to forget how much money it cost you :D
Regarding size, maybe my eyes need testing! The 40 is indeed significantly larger than the 99 according to the published dimensions. It must be quite a monster in an average kitchen.
To me, high build quality means an item exhibits simplicity of design, accessibility, serviceability & the use of good quality materials. It is an insurance policy for the future & BZs have it in buckets.
I am enjoying!!
Breville Cafe Roma (which I despise) & a Woolies grinder.. SO SO PROUD.. hey it works.. JUST!!
The list of stuff taking up the bench space so I’m told
Rancilio Silvia with filter. Tap water is run through 2 carbon canister filters (helps if the father in law was a water filter installer)
Had to service the Silvia one of the thermostats went but not bad for 5 years faultless service
No name bang box
Reg baber tamper
Vivace Ergo - packer
Hearth ware precision roaster
Hearth ware i-Roast
Various pop corn poppers
Had 2 Imex roasters both died with 2 mths not good
20 different green beans but I’m trying to whittle them down
S/S press pot
+ Lots of general stuff
Sorry to bring this up again, but Ive heard of other heat exchange machine doing this too - I read a review of an expobar, from a barista in melbourne, and apparently they have some sort of cold water blending too.Originally Posted by Sparky link=1078801550/120#125 date=1125984100
Im sure its more common than what we may realise ... but the important thing is how it all tastes in the cup. Ive come to not really care how the water is heated, as long as its a good temp.
It is true, Sparky, found a video that had diagrams and that of some other hx machines and sure enough they have a non removable version of an hx where hot and cold are mixed.
Some people though are reporting having to do big purges and still having trouble keeping temperatures down.
I guess it is a case of let the buyer beware. If you dont have this situation with the Expobar then I would imagine it has one of these non removable heat exchangers. On the Bezzera it is obvious that there is one as it is removable and visible from the outside of the boiler.
All hx machines are a compromise as you have to brew espresso and steam but some are much better than others.
Actually, the other thing is that expobars tend to run hot. Most users report having to run an initial cooling flush of 250-300mls (which may be normal for other hx users? anyone?). They call it the dreaded expobar hot shots over at CoffeeGeek.
The barista in melbourne (a guy called simon) chatted to his vendor, who agreed that the cooling flush was a bit excessive, and they had a look inside. Something was busted (so they fixed it) and I think they made an adjustment to the pstat, and he now reports it running at a consistent 95oC, or something close to that.
Im still trying to figure my expobar out - but I suspect that the aussie distributors gave it a service and made some adjustments before I recieved it. Other hx users report a cooling flush where the water is fizzing and hissing out of the group head for a while, then a normal flow, indicating good brewing temps. I even downloaded video footage of a cooling flush on a big elektra machine that home-barista were reviewing, just to get my head around it!
My expobar will bubble (no fizz or hissing or splattering) for a second or two, then settles to a normal flow. But my shots seem a tad too hot???
Maybe its just that the brew temp is hotter (and more consistent during the shot) than my little ol sunbeam, which was consistently cool, but was able to brew a very tasty ristretto (which goes into a whole flow-rate mechanics argument, which Im not smart enough for...).
Any HX machine will run hot after it has been sitting for a while not pulling shots. That doesnt really matter, just do a cooling flush of appropriate length (as Im sure you know). If it is still hot when you are pulling _consecutive_ shots (which is what a HX is designed to do) then you need to turn the boiler temp down, by adjusting your pstat lower. This may impact on your available steam pressure though.
Do you think you would be able to give me a quick "Guide to pulling a champion ristretto shot using a piece of crap Sunbeam" at all??? :D I would definatly appreciate some pointers, and I dont think there would be anyone more knowledgeable in the area than you! Thanks heaps buddy
In the sake of information excess, heres whats in my laundry/cafe...
Rancilio Silvia (standard so far, ordering a naked pf and LM double basket)
Rancilio Rocky (with doser)
IMEX CR100 air roaster - first roast went well... need more beans !
Stainless steel convex tamp
Brita filtering jug for tasty water... tastes like chlorine around here.
Various cups,spoons, jugs, bowls, tupperware containers and the like for storing, preparing, and serving coffee.
And thats all i have to say about that....
My Father has at his pizza shop an ECM Giotto Premium and a challenge grinder. The ECM makes some beautiful coffee.
My uncle has quite a few different expensive coffee machines, he owns Di Bella Coffee.
In relation to what i have, i will be getting a Rancilio Silvia and a MDF grinder very soon. But i am still thinking about getting a better grinder.
Mmm. Dont get the MDF, it doesnt really have enough grind settings. Otherwise a good grinder although a bit noisy too. I had one for over three years.
Im so keen to try a vacpot. gotta convince the wife that getting one for christmas/birthday would be a good idea.
one of those hario ones would be soooooo sweet, but Ill probably end up with a bodum.
Got a new toy on the weekend a Expobar Barrista Minore or the Americian name is Brewtus, twin boiler pid still playing but its a great machine ;D
I used to own a white Baby, older still (got mine in late 70s) *Kept it about 20 years. *It is aluminium on the inside, eventually it just corrodes away. *:( *It also started to give me small shocks while using it. It gets to a stage that, unless you can fix it yourself, it is throwing good money after bad. *Gave it to a friend of mine who was going to "play" with it. *Originally Posted by Mal link=1078801550/60#67 date=1118334231
Well, here is my list.
- Rancilio Silvia
- Twin undersink water filter
- Rancilio Rocky - Doserless
- No name SS convex tamper
- About to take delivery of a Pullman tamper and an Imex Roaster *[smiley=happy.gif]
- Digital Scales
- Newbie bag of green beans
- Lots of espresso glasses in various sizes, from ristretto to latte.
- My beloved 600ml mug for my morning cup ;D
- Normal size cappuccino cups for visitors
- An “espresso service”, (tiny cups with saucers, milk jug, coffee pot) sent to me from Hungary by my grandmother decades ago. *Never used – flowery pattern is not me. *[smiley=thumbdown.gif]
- I used to own two atomics. *One I used before you could buy espresso machines in Oz, the other was my father’s. *I gave one away, before I knew what they were worth, *:( sold the other.
- Various size Mokka Pots – the large ones still being used for dinner parties. *This is usually met with complaints, but I refuse to spend the night standing in front of the machine.
- 2 Stainless steel frothing jugs – 500ml & 1l.
- Small plunger that I used to use at work, haven’t used for years.
- Mistral popper + tomato juice chimney (not yet used) *:D
- Airtight canister to store coffee
Next purchase, I think: Milk thermometer & various brushes. *Have one for the group, and I suppose I could use some of my pastry brushes…
With the hottop newly purchased...
2 x Pullman Tampers, 1 x Coffeeparts rosewood one
coupla knock boxes
Hottop and Alpenrost (tho the alp is looking for a good home ;))
Stovetop for those times when thee is no machine (rarely used...)
Cupping spoons etc
At the shop- Brazilia Gradisca 2 group and 2 x GR flat blade grinders
...think thats about it ::)
My list is as follows;
Unic Diva Single group
Hottop (which will be 3yrs old in March and still going strong)
58mm S/S Tamper
Tamper mat (absolutely indispensable)
Homemade knockbox (150mm stormwater pipe, cap, dowel and rubber hose)
My vacpot fetish is getting worse. I now own a Cona (had to get a new gasket) , an ornate wide-mouth Silex (that lacks a gasket), and a medium-sized sized Silex with a narrow mouth. The gasket was good on this one! I have a Cory and a Pyrex on the way from ebay - god knows what condition the gaskets will *be in.
Ive tried a couple of times to stop buying old vacpots, Ive told myself that I dont actually "win" stuffon ebay: I just buy it ...
Then I tell myself that one more vacpot wont hurt me...that maybe the next one will have a sound gasket...
The only excuse I can make is that I have rainwater where I live, so when theyre not making coffee the vacpots make what has to be the ultimate pot of tea. Having lived a while in Rome, Im fully aware that minerals in the water can actually add something to coffee, but for tea you need the pure stuff, I reckon. Black and green teas are the ones to vac. Fermented and part-fermented China teas need a blast of heat at the start so conventional pot-brewing is best for them.
Vacpots are fun to buy, fun to watch, and make everything taste silky. Furthermore....
I think Id better stop talking about my vacpots for a while.
An early Atomic
A 18yr old MAS domestic (sold thru Coffee Mio)
2 Stella SS Neapolitan Pots
a ? Brew/drop into cup unit plastic ? from A Coffee farm in Queensland.
Couple of Vccuum pots
Assorted cups SS and Porcelain
and have just acquired a 2 Group Gaggia Export model Circa 88 resembles current XE model, that I hope to restore and put inside, 240 volt 4000 Watt . Basically was working when the previous owner decided to purchase a new unit rather than send this for Minor repairs. 7 or so years ago
Needs a couple of cosmetic parts that the Frank Berra tells me he can source.
I may get a smaller element made by a mate and cut the boiler down to a more electricity bill friendly size..
And Im about 2 hours north of Moso
I understand Mosos comments about water and Italy, My aunt long departed married an Italian and lived in Genoa, She used to wash her vegetables in detergent to get the chemicals off them then two lots of water, rainwater if she could get it Bottled if she couldnt..
I better update my list!
- HV_MANs PIDd Classic
- Ibertial Challenge Grinder
- Imex Roaster
- Pullman Tamper on the way!
- Grindstein and various other bits and pieces
My list is as follows:
- Expobar Office Leva (my preciousssssss)
- Iberital challenge Grinder
- SS Tamper
- Brita water filter
- Other assorted bits n pieces like ss pitcher and a collection of coffee cups, also a ss brush for cleaning the group head
- My retired Saeco Via Vanezia
I am always happy to add my name to the list.
* Rancilio Silvia (bought second hand two months ago moving on from my VV)
* Lux Grinder (on loan :)) Hoping to add a Mazzer or Rocky by February
* Pullman tamper with custom Brazilian Tulipwood handle (Christmas present from my wife)
* Breville Crazy Popper (Christmas present from my folks)
* Brita filtered water jug (Christmas present to myself)
* Milk jug/ thermometer (Christmas present from my folks)
* the coffees bean knock box (Christmas present from my wife)
Thanks for asking.
I see that it has been over a year since I last updated the current crop of equipment that graciously allows me to share space with it so lets see if we cant make the list a bit more current:
- La Cimbali M-28 Basic 2-group
- La Cimbali M-52 Dolcevita Cappuccino Station
- Mazzer Supper Jolly with doser
- Mazzer Supper Jolly with bulk bag discharge chute
- Grindmaster 875-R Bulk Grinder
- Gothot Rapid Roaster (3-Barrel)
- Zack & Danis Coffee Roaster
- BBC - Bucket Bean Cooler
- 20oz. French Press
- 1 Gallon CP Press
- 5 Gallon CP Press
- 20 or so assorted stovetop and plug-in Moka pots
- 3 Drip Brewers
- Hot Pot (for cuppings)
- 0.5 micron water filter (hard-plumbed too espresso machine)
- Reverse Osmosis water filtration system (for CP and general drinking/cooking)
- SS 58mm Convex tamper
- StarF$%ks knocker (can you think of a better thing to do to them than beat on them all day? ;D
- 4 venting SS containers for roasted beans
- Assorted sizes of glass & SS cups
- Assorted sizes of large SS bowls for roasting/resting
- Assorted thermometers, pitchers, spoons etc.
- Foodsaver for vacuum packing roasted beans
- Small Bag-less vacuum cleaner
- Currently about 40kg of green beans. Hhhmm...getting a bit low there! Time to start restocking!
- Laptop computer with a database for tracking inventory and roasts.
Hhhmmmm....I think that about covers it other than the odd tool for roasting or cleaning.
Gee, looking at that list its probably a good thing Im not married or the other half would have had me committed long ago! ::) ;D 8-)
Java "What do I need next?" phile
Just to add to the list as a newb: ...
Sunbeam Cafe Aromatic (EM5800)
Sunbeam grinder (EM0480)
uh, thats about it... nothing special.
Melbourne tap water.
lots of glass jars.
2 plastic spoon/tampers, 2 PFs, 4 filters, 2 small SS jugs, 4 SS cups & saucers (courtesy of keeping one set of accessories when the first EM5800 was returned under warranty ;))
Hoping to add a popper soon, and probably make up a knock-box stick over the bin...