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    Hi all, would love some help/input with this.

    Currently in the final stages of getting a little coffee cart at church up and running and bought two of these baskets from talkcoffee (the 15-18g sized ones). Have yet to try them out on the 2group machine we bought but have been playing around with them on my silvia and been a little unimpressed with the results coming from these guys when compared to my 18g VST.

    To my surprise, i'm getting much more channelling than with the VST, and the resulting puck seems to be missing the bottom rim where there are no holes in the basket (as compared to the VST which has holes all the way out to the edges of the bottom). Acidity seems to be similar to the VST but the shot just seems to lack a little in body and blonding much quicker.

    Am I doing something wrong?
    I'm thinking that rim around the base is changing the pressure across the puck or causing some under extraction at the base where the holes are missing

    Current dose: 18g, 45mls in 27secs
    PID temp: 95 (which is about 93-94 when it comes out the shower screen)
    Grinder: mazzer mini w doser
    routine: Grind into pf, distribute, light tamp, polish, heavy tamp, pull shot.

    would love some input =)

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    Hi Tim,

    Dose to a mound, collapse twice, fill if required so that you can brush off to full and level and then tamp. Plain and simple.

    I remember in the days of Dave Makin competing, he had the view that it was not wise to d!ck around with the puck. I see forceful polish frequently and this can promote chanelling as the puck is twisted.

    Honestly, if you're getting chanelling with a Precision basket, and not with a VST, it's a technique issue. VST gear wants perfect technique or they'll go you. Precision is far more forgiving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Talk_Coffee View Post

    Precision is far more forgiving.
    110% Agreed.
    I almost trash my stock basket from Giotto V3
    when it goes with Blend P2, perfect cups one by one

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    I have tried both the VST baskets and the Precision baskets.
    For me there is no comparison regarding ease in getting a good shot. The Precision basket wins hands-down. They are the best baskets that I have used.

    I sold my VSTs to a fellow-CSer.

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    is anyone else getting the rim of grounds in the basket like the photo shown here?

    tried reducing my dose to 17 and 16gms, not much change. i did notice the indentation made by the bolt on my shower screen was a little too marked with 18 and 17gms when using the precision, 16 seemed to be sweet spot. unfortunately been limited by the fact that I don't really want to have 3-4 coffees at 7pm... :P

    chris, noted on the polishing, will try doing some shots without and report back. FWIW the polishing is only the weight of the tamper, but agreed on d!cking around with the puck. should be as plain and simple as possible (also, thanks for the excellent service on the delivery. didn't imagine I'd receive them within 24hrs of ordering all the way here in perth!)

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    No such problems for me. I dose 18g in my triple, and 15g in the double. The shower screen is quite low on the BZ99s though.

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    No such problems with mine either ,I dose approx 19-20g in the double 22-23g in the triple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NakiChap View Post
    No such problems with mine either ,I dose approx 19-20g in the double 22-23g in the triple.
    Yep, that's very similar to my dosing regime with the EP in a Diadema (BFC) Reale, and it works very well for me. I have nothing against the VSTs, but I find SWMBO is more capable of making coffee for herself with the EPs. The photos in post 5 look almost like the grind is a touch too fine and leaving a fair bit oil on the basket (but I might be wrong).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
    Hi Tim,

    Dose to a mound, collapse twice, fill if required so that you can brush off to full and level and then tamp. Plain and simple.

    I remember in the days of Dave Makin competing, he had the view that it was not wise to d!ck around with the puck. I see forceful polish frequently and this can promote chanelling as the puck is twisted.

    Honestly, if you're getting chanelling with a Precision basket, and not with a VST, it's a technique issue. VST gear wants perfect technique or they'll go you. Precision is far more forgiving.

    I agree,

    With the double I dose to a mound collapse once, with the triple I will collapse twice , simple and gives a correct dose every shot.

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    as with other stock double baskets that accompany coffee machines, the TC baskets are much less technique fussy than the VSTs. Had to grind coarser for the same 20secs+ extraction time for 15g before blonding.
    i can attest to leftover wet puck in my basket (like above) after a trip to the knockbin, but nothing i havent came across even with my VSTs. I tend to underdose with my baskets which could be the reason why my pucks are normally soaked through and messy when it comes to dumping.

    taste test? the one proper shot i extracted with the TC basket is on par with my VST 15g basket. I had to increase dose to 16 because the basket was noticeably larger and i didn't want too big a gap between showerhead and puck.
    Will keep churning out shots to see if consistency trumps my VST which I've pretty much nailed down for a decent shot everytime. I say decent only because VSTs are incredibly nitpicky with the age of beans. I personally feel the VST accentuates age variance rather evidently. If the TC baskets can 'prolong' the taste of my beans by concealing some of that age difference, I might actually geta set of my own

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    Using a comparable amount of coffee, I find shots with the EP baskets to be weak and watery compared to VST shots. The EP baskets underextract a large ring of grounds around the perimeter since there are no holes (and no flow) there. So while EPs may make it easier to get a well-behaved bottomless portafilter shot, they make it harder to get one that's full-bodied and tasty.

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    Why would you dose them the same way?

    It's the same as if one was to suggest that using the VST baskets in the same way as EP, that they're prone to channelling and produce inferior shots.

    Dose according design and intention. If it's VST, that means do as you're told...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ASchecter View Post
    Using a comparable amount of coffee, I find shots with the EP baskets to be weak and watery compared to VST shots. The EP baskets underextract a large ring of grounds around the perimeter since there are no holes (and no flow) there. So while EPs may make it easier to get a well-behaved bottomless portafilter shot, they make it harder to get one that's full-bodied and tasty.
    Now, why would the large ring of coffee grounds around the perimeter underextract? Think about it for a second. In a VST basket the water would be forced through the coffee grounds and would then quickly pass through the holes below... whereas... with the EP basket, water would still be forced into the coffee grounds throughout the basket, but at the perimeter, where there aren't any holes, the water infused coffee would pool momentarily before eventually making its way through the holes in the centre of the basket. Since coffee extraction is largely a function of infusion over time, the coffee at the perimeter would be more extracted than with a VST basket. This would seem to suggest that your weak and watery shots are most likely due to poor technique, i.e. underdosing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
    Why would you dose them the same way?
    You are correct. When dosed similarly, the EP espressos are more watery, but when updosed 10-20% to equalize TDS, the EPs make decent espresso. Quite a few people (Perger, Kaminsky, Rao, etc) say that the VST espresso will be more revealing of subtle flavors than the EP. This seems to be true in my experience, but I honestly haven't done enough direct comparisons to be sure.

    The "decent" updosed EP espresso is unfortunately achieved by extracting 10-20% less out of each coffee dose. I think this approach was OK 10 or 20 years ago when beans used for espresso were often some of the cheapest beans available. But nowadays progressive shops are making espresso from some of the very finest beans in the world, and the supply of these beans gets tighter and tighter.

    I realize that very few people agree with my obsession about this, but I simply don't feel good about wasting 10-20% of by my beans in the compost bin just so my shot prep is a little easier. To each his/her own; I like the VST approach.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vinitasse View Post
    Now, why would the large ring of coffee grounds around the perimeter underextract? Think about it for a second. In a VST basket the water would be forced through the coffee grounds and would then quickly pass through the holes below... whereas... with the EP basket, water would still be forced into the coffee grounds throughout the basket, but at the perimeter, where there aren't any holes, the water infused coffee would pool momentarily before eventually making its way through the holes in the centre of the basket. Since coffee extraction is largely a function of infusion over time, the coffee at the perimeter would be more extracted than with a VST basket.
    This is not the case. Although a longer "residence time" of water in the coffee puck will increase extraction slightly, the amount of water passing through the grounds is a much stronger controlling factor. The grounds around the perimeter of an EP see a lot less water pass through and remain poorly extracted compared to the perimeter grounds in a VST.

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    Yes- I'd agree that for extremely lightly roasted, near Turkish grind small doses, anything which can be done to maximise extraction is a bonus.

    Given this is a discussion about EP baskets, might I point out that we have already had your observations above in the VST discussion thread. Perhaps you might repeat them there should you choose.

    I'd rather "waste" a couple of grams of coffee than drink some of the stuff which has been produced with VST- which wastes the entire dose.
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    espresso parts precision baskets

    Quote Originally Posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
    Dose to a mound, collapse twice, fill if required so that you can brush off to full and level and then tamp. Plain and simple.
    Could you explain exactly what you mean by collapse? A knock on the forks?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
    Given this is a discussion about EP baskets, might I point out that we have already had your observations above in the VST discussion thread. Perhaps you might repeat them there should you choose.
    Well yes, the thread title is about EP baskets, but of course the original poster started the thread with a direct comparison to VSTs.

    Be that as it may, out of respect for you and the many other fans of EP filters on this forum, I'll stop beating you all on the head with my usual sermon about the wonders of VSTs -- for a week or two, anyway. :-)

    Quote Originally Posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
    I'd rather "waste" a couple of grams of coffee than drink some of the stuff which has been produced with VST- which wastes the entire dose.
    Touché! No sense drinking bad espresso.

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    Don't think your out of line at all ASchecter as the OP (as you said) makes a direct comparison to VST baskets 4 times. For me the real question goes to timdimdom Why when you already had a developed technique using VST baskets did you switch to Ep baskets. Were you getting favourable results with the VST or were you having problems, hence the change.

    Dare I say 22g VST baskets matched with a pergtamp, shot after shot through the Slayer is the best coffee I have had the pleasure of consuming, but I have taken the time to learn the skills required to get those repeatable outcomes. Think in all these basket debates that happen users should just take the time to learn the appropriate technique to get the most out of their chosen equipment. Stop blaming baskets for poor results, unless you have just stuck a fork through a milo tin lid practice, practice, practice, know your equipment and enjoy great coffee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cosmic_couple22 View Post
    For me the real question goes to timdimdom Why when you already had a developed technique using VST baskets did you switch to Ep baskets. Were you getting favourable results with the VST or were you having problems, hence the change.
    perhaps i might be best poised to state my opinion since Tim and I serve in the same coffee cart at church. I'm not sure if he's entirely subscribed to my belief that the EP baskets are less reactive to change in technique but that's what I'm going with when pitted against VST baskets. And with a possible rotation of 12 different baristas dosing and tamping as we run through the roster, the proverbial problem of having too many cooks spoil the broth is something we face when making our coffees. Making the move to EP baskets might at least mitigate *some* inconsistencies between different pairs of hands, i hope.

    Truth be told, if I were the only guy manning the cart, i did stick to what i know best, a 50ml pseudo double shot, 23-sec extraction from a 15g vst basket. Liquid gold, each time, every time.

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    I think Avex has hit the nail on the head there. Not about baskets. It's about dose strategy and multiple users.

    The answer is not hardware, it's the people and lack of- or varying skills. There's no panacea other than training.

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    Thanks Avex. So now you have your equipment, sounds like a small workshop with all your barista crew to get everyone on a similar page is the final piece of your puzzle.

    Good luck

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    indeed. i made the switch to the EPs because of the info on this forum that they were much more forgiving while being much better than the stock baskets we got with the expobar elen we bought. Had it been done my way I would've gone VST all the way, but struggled to:
    1. justify the 80 or so dollars on 2 baskets (vs 30 bucks incl shipping)
    2. trust that the VSTs would be tolerant with the variations between the team members.
    3. trust that technique would be just as good when asked to pump out shot after shot during our high-volume periods.

    Since i only had 2 or 3 days to play with the baskets before we brought them to the team to train with and was facing problems i thought it'd be a good idea to see what everyone else had to say about them and diagnose the problems faced.

    I can say that after spending some time with the baskets with 2 or so kgs of beans with the team, they are much more tolerant of operator variations and still produce a great cup (much better than the stock expobar baskets). Rings at the bottom of the baskets have gone, though i still find the pucks looking different at the end of each shot.

    More importantly, taste-wise (now I'm not sure if it's biased or not but pretty sure I am) I still feel the VSTs bring out more flavour with each shot (albeit not by much with the espresso blend we're using from a local roaster).

    However, when it comes to pumping out the coffee with many different operators i'm extremely happy with the choice we made to use the EPs.

    Its was more about getting used to new equipment i suppose (and is probably why at this point in time I still favour the VSTs), and like everyone has said here, a matter of getting technique right and suited to the equipment.



    Quote Originally Posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
    I think Avex has hit the nail on the head there. Not about baskets. It's about dose strategy and multiple users.

    The answer is not hardware, it's the people and lack of- or varying skills. There's no panacea other than training.
    I beg to differ re: 'not about the hardware'. I was selecting hardware according to the needs and challenges, just like how you would choose not to use a finicky lever machine vs a semi-auto because of a high volume requirement and inconsistencies between operators. though your point is valid on it being more important to nail dose strategy and staff training.

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    Not so sure I agree Tim. If all staff were trained to dose and distribute identically, hardware- regardless of which basket you choose shouldn't be a limiting factor.

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    I've had a good chance to have a play with my EP double basket today. I use the double basket with a single spout portafilter for my singles.

    First thing I did was weigh my grounds, ok so I've been dosing at 20 grams. This still gives me clearance, but decided to dose by weight.

    At 17 grams my puck is leaving around 10mm of clearance.. It looks a really low dose compared to what I'm used to. Shot looked great, timed well, tasted ok.. A little sour (I think). Puck was quite muddy and wouldn't come out without some bashing, and even then I had to pick it out.

    At 16 grams my puck is way way lower than I would have ever done previously. Tamp fully recedes the rim and puck has 12-13mm clearance. Used the bottomless and ground slightly finer. I got a textbook pour, tasted better than the 17g shot, but the puck looked wet and still had water pooled on top. I let it sit for a while then tried to bash it out, it fell to pieces and left half of it behind, so I had to dig it out also.

    Does this sound like channeling or simply the result of using far less coffee in the basket? I've always dosed to the point that the coffee swells and hits the screen, giving me a clean puck.. And I know that the important thing is taste... But just curious if I'm going in the right direction.
    I'll keep playing with dose by weight for the time being.

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    Sounds very much like underdose to me...10-13 mm clearance? Too much IMHO.

    Might be worth using a naked to check your distribution and for channelling then adjust grind for balance.

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    Yea that's what I thought. I just wanted to try and actually use the dose they're rated at and see what happened.

    Here's some pics from a shot I just pulled at 17g.

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    Quote Originally Posted by depecid View Post
    I've had a good chance to have a play with my EP double basket today. I use the double basket with a single spout portafilter for my singles.

    First thing I did was weigh my grounds, ok so I've been dosing at 20 grams. This still gives me clearance, but decided to dose by weight.

    At 17 grams my puck is leaving around 10mm of clearance.. It looks a really low dose compared to what I'm used to.
    I find that I dose b/w 19-20g in the nominally 15g EP and get around 8mm clearance (from rim of basket) in my Diadema, and it works pretty well. YMMV.

    Obviously roast depth plays a role in volume / mass ratios.

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    This thread was just what I was looking for, have just bought a Precision basket and Rocket naked porta from Talk Coffee for my new Giotto

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    I used precision baskets for 12 months in a cafe before switching to VST. I agree with everthing Andy Shecther has said about them.
    They under extract/less evenly extract coffee. If your using a darker roast I think they are probably ok. If you are using them and out of curiostity decide to try a lighter roast 3rd wave coffee, chances are your going to be back at your keyboard moaning about how the hipsters have ruined coffee.
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    Have just finished testing both Double and Triple EP Filter Baskets.

    To be honest, I don't know what all the moaning is about. Adjusted the dose accordingly for both baskets, grind was almost identical to my Synesso baskets. As a bonus, my Tampers fit perfectly as well so no need to get new bases for them. Shot after shot after shot was just perfect in my view; no under-extraction issues, very even pour across the entire breadth of the basket perforations.

    Each pour was undetectable in quality variance from the Synesso baskets, just lovely rich, even pours. The Synesso baskets will be staying in the drawer for a good while now, liking the EPs very much indeed... Is it worth getting an EP Filter Basket or two? Well, I guess that's only something each person can decide for themselves but in my case I'm very happy that I've got them now, but if they'd been around before I bought my ridgeless Synesso baskets, I would definitely have opted for the EPs just for the quality of build and finish alone....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
    Why would you dose them the same way?

    It's the same as if one was to suggest that using the VST baskets in the same way as EP, that they're prone to channelling and produce inferior shots.

    Dose according design and intention. If it's VST, that means do as you're told...
    Hi Talk_Coffee

    I really wish you would stop using language like "If it's VST, that means do as you're told...". Not only is it completely & utterly factually incorrect, it implies there is only one way to use a VST.

    If that were true, why bother to have barista comps at all? If there was only one way to deliver a shot out of a VST how could you tell which barista had done the best job? Plainly wrong. The VST's habit of delivering more of the nuances from every shot actually means that it is up to the barista to get the best out of the available gear or it will be obvious that they "failed to do so".

    The only time I encountered your beloved EP "precision" (and HQ "precision" on the same day), I went to the trouble to optimise my setup to see what they could deliver. Short answer: almost the same flavour and extraction as a standard basket with a smidge more manufacturing quality than most of those that come with a machine. Given the cheap price, fair enough.

    The insult of comparing them with a precision tool like a VST is why I still put the word precision in quotes when referring to EP & HQ. Not only did they swipe the word precision from VST, they do not have the guts to put a sheet containing the actual hole size parameters and even a photo of a portion of that individual basket in each box. One quick look with a microscope reveals why! Needless to say, the VST is also dearer... also fair enough. Quality costs.

    Just because you personally do not get on with VST's probably says more about you than them. Perhaps your continuing posts banging on about them should restrict themselves to the facts, not your internal mythology / belief system.

    TampIt
    PS: the OP made it clear what he was trying to achieve, and was merely trying to work out how the supposedly "easy & tolerant" EPs were not giving a good result compared to the VSTs he was accustomed to... and like most VST users, he has no consistency issues with the VSTs.

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    Buddy- We have never promoted EP baskets as anything other than a terrific laser cut ridgeless basket. It's you who continually bad mouths them which results in the ongoing and tiresome need to defend the product.

    Some users don't like VST. Others don't like like your beloved Barootsi grinders either. I for one am thoroughly bored with your weekly sermon. It's time to junk your soap box.

    Most here understand that there is more than one way to get great results. Perhaps you will one day as well.

    PS: Given that you like a PS.....If the OP was having issues with channelling with EP baskets, there is no way he'd find VST baskets less prone to channelling. It's common knowledge that they are far more finicky on dose and distribution- which was the actual problem.

    PPS: Perhaps you might take your thoughts to EP instead. I have no doubt whatsoever that they will be delighted to allocate your correspondence with the precise amount of time it deserves.

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    Been using the EP for a little while now and definitely getting better results over the stock ECM and Rocket baskets. I have an odd problem with the extraction though! Now matter how I tamp I always get the coffee coming though one side of the puck more than the other. If you divide the puck into a front and back half, I get coffee coming through the front half much more strongly. The EP is a little better than he others but still noticeable. I just bought a new shower screen from talk coffee to see how that would effect it

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    Quote Originally Posted by TampIt View Post
    The insult of comparing them with a precision tool like a VST is why I still put the word precision in quotes when referring to EP & HQ. Not only did they swipe the word precision from VST, they do not have the guts to put a sheet containing the actual hole size parameters and even a photo of a portion of that individual basket in each box.
    Pretty sure VST didn't invent the word...

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    One quick look with a microscope reveals why!
    Could you post a photo, for those without your access to "medical grade" instruments?

    Quote Originally Posted by TampIt View Post
    Needless to say, the VST is also dearer... also fair enough. Quality costs.
    I doubt the price is purely a reflection of manufacturing cost. "How much more someone is willing to pay", doesn't necessarily correlate with how much better one product is than another, or how much more it costs to make. A quick walk around a designer clothing store is evidence enough of that.

    Quote Originally Posted by TampIt View Post
    Perhaps your continuing posts banging on about them should restrict themselves to the facts, not your internal mythology / belief system.
    And that, children, is the story of the pot and the kettle.
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    lolz ... All this aggro over the VST makes me want to buy one to try it out... off to scan Internet's for the best price
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    Now Now boys!!
    Tampit, I enjoy your posts. Chris, I like reading your posts. Keep'm going but be nice.
    Incidentally I put 14 gms in a VST 7gm single basket producing great shots. I certainly don't follow manufacturers recommendations. Each to their own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barri View Post
    Incidentally I put 14 gms in a VST 7gm single basket producing great shots.
    Interesting... I assume that you can use a normal sized tamper with that dose?

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    Yep. Normal size. BTW, VBMs allow you to updose more than others

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    Something I forgot to mention when I was chasing the dose for my new EP Baskets...

    These baskets seem to be very insensitive to dose variation. With the Double Basket, anything from 14-20g produced excellent pours (coupled with adjusting the grind), the Triple Basket was happy within a range from 16-24g. Pretty impressive in my book...

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    Anyone solved the problem of having to knock the pf a few times to get the puck out of a Precision basket? I've gone back to my Synesso because knocking 4 or 5 times was annoying me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gonzob View Post
    Anyone solved the problem of having to knock the pf a few times to get the puck out of a Precision basket? I've gone back to my Synesso because knocking 4 or 5 times was annoying me.

    Gonzo
    I use an 18 gram Precision, never a problem, the puck ejects into the knock box with one hit every time, unless, once in a while I allow it to sit in the portafilter with the machine on for a while, then it seems to bake solid and can be a bit more difficult.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gonzob View Post
    Anyone solved the problem of having to knock the pf a few times to get the puck out of a Precision basket? I've gone back to my Synesso because knocking 4 or 5 times was annoying me.

    Gonzo

    I have never had a problem with mine either, one or two taps and the pucks drop out nicely.

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    Ditto from me...

    Only one tap out of either the Double or the Triple, not a hard tap either really, about the same as my Synesso baskets...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    I use an 18 gram Precision, never a problem, the puck ejects into the knock box with one hit every time, unless, once in a while I allow it to sit in the portafilter with the machine on for a while, then it seems to bake solid and can be a bit more difficult.
    Yep. That's it. If (and only if) I leave the puck in for an abnormal amount of time they do tend to stick more than other baskets I've used, perhaps due to area near the circumference where there are no holes in base of of the basket?

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    ditto...1 tap

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    It's interesting. I've had cause to weigh out the timed dose I normally use for my EP triple basket (for grinding for cold brew - never use a scale for espresso) and it is almost 25g. A lot for a 21g basket I'd have thought?!?
    Results are great though…

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    Quote Originally Posted by DesigningByCoffee View Post
    It's interesting. I've had cause to weigh out the timed dose I normally use for my EP triple basket (for grinding for cold brew - never use a scale for espresso) and it is almost 25g. A lot for a 21g basket I'd have thought?!?
    Results are great though…
    G'day dbc,

    I'd say yes and no. When many dose a "14g" basket to the best part of 20g, I wouldn't have thought that 25g is over the top.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DesigningByCoffee View Post
    It's interesting. I've had cause to weigh out the timed dose I normally use for my EP triple basket (for grinding for cold brew - never use a scale for espresso) and it is almost 25g. A lot for a 21g basket I'd have thought?!?
    Results are great though…
    Do you grind coarser for your cold brew? If so, perhaps you get a greater mass of coffee in the same time?

    I'm not sure I could fit 25g in my EP triple unless I ground significantly finer. It definitely wouldn't fit in the group afterwards

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    Quote Originally Posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
    G'day dbc,

    I'd say yes and no. When many dose a "14g" basket to the best part of 20g, I wouldn't have thought that 25g is over the top.

    Cheers

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    Ahhh fair enough. I wonder where the definition of 14g, 18 & 21g comes from then? Maybe it is based on a standard group with a deeper screen?


    Quote Originally Posted by MrJack View Post
    Do you grind coarser for your cold brew? If so, perhaps you get a greater mass of coffee in the same time?

    I'm not sure I could fit 25g in my EP triple unless I ground significantly finer. It definitely wouldn't fit in the group afterwards
    I have been doing my cold brew with espresso grind - I think my lighter roasts and the conical grinder mean it's not too problematic. But yes - I do grind quite fine and tamp light - slow & drippy and anywhere up to 1 minute + is my pour of preference!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DesigningByCoffee View Post
    Ahhh fair enough. I wonder where the definition of 14g, 18 & 21g comes from then? Maybe it is based on a standard group with a deeper screen?
    I think the ratings are fairly nominal mate.* There's a well trodden thread on Home Barista or Coffee Geek where some chap puts a levelled (but untamped) dose into about 10 standard double filter baskets, and then weighs them. The doses end out weighing between between 16.5-19.8 grams I think.

    *To avoid re-starting an old debate...I'm aware that some branded baskets do behave better if dosed within 1g of their nominal rating.

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