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    ONA coffee distributor

    Interesting idea

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    The OCD... Just what I need!
    I'd give it a go, not sure I'd pay $165 for one though.

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    It may well be a very appropriate acronym. I wonder if Sasa has his staff using them at the Cupping Room? I might have a look next week.
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    I used a Great Leveller last year. It was a little frustrating with changing humidity conditions throughout the day up here in Bananabenderland but it presented a perfectly levelled/tamped dose which was really nice. It's easy to adjust; just need a 6mm hex key. Sasa's OCD would be interesting to try up here.

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    Here's the blurb without the link

    "Making delicious coffee is all about understanding variables & taking control of them. Distribution creates major variables standing in the road of quality & consistency. The OCD eliminates those inconsistencies.

    The OCD has four angled slopes that consistently, efficiently & evenly glides the coffee around in a circle to create a puck of even density. No more inconsistencies between baristas’ distribution or lack of distribution in the café.
    The OCD creates a perfectly flat surface to tamp upon, creating more consistent puck density. No human has a perfectly straight finger, some baristas leave a slight mound or divot in the coffee, which means they tamp down inconsistencies in the puck density.
    The OCD can be adjusted to suit a range of doses, depending on specific roasting styles. This tool can even suit those using very low doses or larger baskets.
    No more dirty, cracked coffee fingers after a day of service on the espresso machine.
    No need to collapse the dose. After extensive taste testing with multiple coffees & different roasting styles, we have found any form of collapsing to stratify grinds, creating very inconsistent extraction & qualities of taste (separate to yield). Each barista will also collapse differently, creating yet another inconsistency in the café. The OCD takes the same time to create a more even & consistent puck, giving more consistent & delicious extractions.
    Less channelling & micro-channelling, improper or rushed distribution, is more likely to channel which is disastrous to taste. Micro-channelling is also difficult to visually identify & is more likely to happen with inconsistent or no distribution – the OCD will remove this variable."
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    ONA OCD Distribution Tool

    Has anyone else been keeping an eye on the release of this tool?
    Created/produced/sold by Sasa Sestic of ONA coffee

    A simple tool to assist with even distribution of grinds in the PF.
    The results in the video look pretty good imo.
    A little disappointed in the price but perhaps it's aimed at commercial operations.

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    I searched before posting the new topic. promise! :P

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    Wouldn't the act of placing the tool on grounds itself change the density on the thickest part of the tool (i.e. the cross)?

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    Curiosity got the better of me.

    They're on backorder, but I have ordered a few (including one to play with)...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
    Curiosity got the better of me.
    And me but it doesn't look like a 55mm is available, so..... curious I shall remain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
    Curiosity got the better of me.

    They're on backorder, but I have ordered a few (including one to play with)...
    How did you go with it? Thinking about picking up a few for myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wushoes View Post
    How did you go with it? Thinking about picking up a few for myself.
    Still waiting Dave.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wushoes View Post
    How did you go with it? Thinking about picking up a few for myself.
    Our stock arrived today. Hoping to have time for a play tomorrow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
    Our stock arrived today. Hoping to have time for a play tomorrow.
    I'm interested in what you think of the ONA Coffee Distributor, mite have to get one.

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    I had a quick go today over about 10 shots. It does work well.

    For those who like to updose, it probably won't be of much use, but if you dose normally or low and fine, it definitely cleans and levels the puck for tamping. It's adjustable to height as well.

    My natural dosing can lead a little towards the occasional doughnut extraction. I felt today's extractions were probably more even. Chanelling is not something I often experience, so I can't really comment if it makes much difference to that.

    It's beautifully finished and the casting is gorgeous. Exxy, but I guess you only have to justify the spend to yourself.

    I'll keep one on demo at the shed for those keen to have a go.

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    Hi there Talk Coffee, I tried to buy the ONA Coffee Distributor on your web site but you only sell within Australia or did I not see some thing rite, any way how would I be able to purchase it.

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    Hi Logga,

    Best bet contact me via email and we can take it from there...

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    I've had one for over a week now, first thought was this is one expensive piece of metal. I cannot complain about the results however, every single shot this week has been perfect (for my standards anyway). I thought it may just be a placebo to justify the cost however quite a few people have commented how great the coffee has been this week. I used to get the odd issue with channelling/multiple streams for the naked PF, no longer a problem. The weight of it also compacts it slightly making tamping more consistent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by evro50 View Post
    Only negative I would have is the height adjustability.....Would purchase again for sure.
    Hi Evro,

    Pull it to bits and you will find 2 internal metal spacers which allow you to run none or a combination to achieve different heights...

    They do work well. Gorgeous metal work...

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    I knew I was missing something obvious!! Thanks Chris
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    Mine arrived yesterday- It's a gem.
    Early days, but every pour has been a stunner.

    This pretty much mirrors my new prep routine:
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    Quote Originally Posted by evro50 View Post
    The weight of it also compacts it slightly making tamping more consistent.
    Have to agree Evren, I'm using it at it's stock setting (both spacers installed) - after the OCD has done it's thing, it only requires a short tamp (2-3mm tops) and you're ready to go.
    Much easier to follow-up with a perfectly level tamp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcf1978 View Post
    Have to agree Evren, I'm using it at it's stock setting (both spacers installed) - after the OCD has done it's thing, it only requires a short tamp (2-3mm tops) and you're ready to go.
    Much easier to follow-up with a perfectly level tamp.
    Im using the stock setting as well and have to say every pour has been awesome since using the OCD, I get long, darker shots.
    It comes out of the naked PF really even. And of coarse the taste is better, more thicker mouth feel, seems to be more crema.
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    Interesting little gadget, looks similar in the way it works to the thing in the Breville Oracle?

    cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by artman View Post
    looks similar in the way it works to the thing in the Breville Oracle?
    yeah is does look quite similar in concept...

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    Ok- I thought it was time for an update on this one.

    I have been playing off and on with our trial one with two different digital doserless grinders- Compak E10OD and a Rocket Fausto.

    Pulled one of the spacers out to suit my dosing technique and have been dosing as I normally do with each grinder. No scales but good consistency in pour. As previously mentioned, my natural distribution tends to doughnut slightly, but in general I am satisfied with the result in the cup. Same beans in both grinders and same machine (today the Slayer) and the grinder chemistry is evident in the cup: both good but different. I thought it might be interesting today to run some back to backs on each grinder distributing by hand v using the OCD to see if I could see or taste anything. These were not blind...

    Does it work? With the conical grinder and its grind distribution, I can't see that it's making a zac of difference for me. I rarely get chanelling with it. The Fausto is new and <100 shots. I am experiencing occasional chanelling when I dose with it and I feel the OCD is helping with it. The particle distribution of the very new planar grinder may be influencing this.

    My take so far is that if you're finding you need to work on your distribution using any of the usual tweaks- i.e stockfleth, weiss, compass, nutating etc, then the OCD may be of assistance. If your distribution technique does not cause significant issues, then for me at least- the jury is out.

    Regardless, it's a beautiful piece of kit....

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    I have been using mine for 2 weeks solid now (about 60 shots in). Very happy with it.
    Here is a time lapse using the OCD with my Kony-E / Vesuvius combo:

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    Hi, I bought the OCD today and wondering where is the purpose of putting the spacer? I have tried both with and without the spacer and both able to cover the basket nicely. I understand with the two spacers, there is less pressure during tamping but is there any difference in using with or without? I am currently using 18kg BST basket with two spacers, thinking more ground and more depth to distribute evenly using two spacers. Hope to get advice whether I should continue to use two spacers or using one or none at all. Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ASAP78 View Post
    Hi, I bought the OCD today and wondering where is the purpose of putting the spacer? I have tried both with and without the spacer and both able to cover the basket nicely. I understand with the two spacers, there is less pressure during tamping but is there any difference in using with or without? I am currently using 18kg BST basket with two spacers, thinking more ground and more depth to distribute evenly using two spacers. Hope to get advice whether I should continue to use two spacers or using one or none at all. Thanks.
    Hi ASAP78, Im using a 20g vst and have both spacers in the ocd, I grind into basket, tap pf down on tamping mat so coffee is just bellow top of basket, I do that so then you don't get coffee stuck underneath the black part of the ocd then put ocd on top of basket and turn it round and round, I go clock wise, when I take it off I see four little ridges on the outer side of my basket so then I put the ocd down again with the higher sides of the ocd onto the four higher ridges in the coffee and so on until ocd spins freely.
    I don't have to tamp it with my tamper, it must compress it enough the way I do it. What im left with is a very flat and level basket of coffee.

    If you leave the spacers in it will push your coffee down more than if you had spacers out. I think if I did every thing I do and leave the spacers out then I would have to use my tamper.

    That's the beauty of coffee, just play around with it until it suits your needs.

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    Hi Logga, Thanks for the feedback. I believe with and without the spacer, it is more of personal preference than the quality of the extraction. With the spacers, you may not need to tamp, without the spacer, you may need to tamp slightly harder. Hope someone can give more insight if the spacer does play a role here on the quality of the extraction. Thanks.

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    ...aaaaaand the junk email I received this morning confirms that it's already been plagiarised by the Chinese

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    Quote Originally Posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
    ...aaaaaand the junk email I received this morning confirms that it's already been plagiarised by the Chinese
    The buggers are pretty quick to pick up on a concept.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
    ...aaaaaand the junk email I received this morning confirms that it's already been plagiarised by the Chinese
    Even though I live in NZ, im proud to say I own a Australian made OCD.
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    The original's are made in Taiwan

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    Quote Originally Posted by evro50 View Post
    The original's are made in Taiwan
    Oh well, maybe I should of said, Im proud to of bought one from a site sponsor (Talk Coffee) from Australia!
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    I've been curious about this product for a while and from reports it seems to be a good thing. I'm certainly not condoning stealing someone's hard work, but at $165 it's possibly priced itself out of the market for many home users (which may not be it's intended audience anyway), so could the creators of this product consider this an opportunity to create another similar product that has less of the premium materials and have a lower price point to cut the imposters off at the pass? There may be many who would pay a premium to support the creator over a plagarist but at a different price point.

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    They stole the ONA website description word for word for their brochure while they were at it.

    Hope they did Sasa's homework.
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    I've just got one of these and so far i think its great. Works a treat for perfectly leveling the dose and giving a perfect flat base to tamp onto. It is a work of art i must say, so chunky and heavy. I think it would be great in a commercial environment where strict processes are put in place to keep consistency.

    $165 is decent coin, but considering what people spend on machines, i think its money well spent to deliver consistent coffee.

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    Couldn't resist (The price) and bought these toys while on a recent trip to test them out. The puck tamper certainly makes tamping flat idiot proof. Its base is 58.5mm too, makes very clean tamps on my VST Basket.
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    ONA coffee distributor

    OK for consistency in a commercial environment but not for home. Too sterile. We all know tampers are aesthetic and personal. A good tamper is a think of beauty and love. Even in a commercial environment a personalised tamper (maybe even engraved) is loved by a barista.

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    Too sterile? Hang on a sec you're suggesting trained baristas that do not need help with distribution/tamping pressure would benefit from this opposed to the home user?

    I'll stick to my real world scenario, would purchase another in a heartbeat.
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    The way I look at it, any tool or technique that improves consistancy is a plus, being able to dress a puck perfectly in 2 seconds, is worth $165. And a good tamper (my pink pullman included) cannot guarantee a flat even tamp everytime, we're only human!
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    Quote Originally Posted by evro50 View Post
    would purchase another in a heartbeat.
    Same here - would have to be the best $165 I've spent on coffee gadgetry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcf1978 View Post
    Same here - would have to be the best $165 I've spent on coffee gadgetry.
    Another vote me. I think the OCD (is it just me, or the abbreviation profoundly relevant for most of this on this forum when it comes to coffee), helps with dose as well as distribution. If I overdose and use the OCD there is a noticeable furrow in the puck. I know something has gone wrong and change my grind settings a smidgen.

    The proof of anything like this has to be whether there is a difference in the cup. A few weeks into using the OCD and I'm convinced that I'm getting consistently improved results.
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    Lightbulb quick little grip upgrade hack for OCD v1

    I've really liked using the OCD v1 and certainly getting others using it in order to easily improve distribution.

    Based on a slip spinning it one day I wanted a grippy version for awhile. After awhile I noticed they've added grip with the v2 and also the cheaper knock offs seem to have followed this, but what about v1 owners?

    Based on this, a nice quick hack I thought of today you can do with the v1 is add a wristband of your liking to the OCD v1 - see pics below. Hope this helps someone else wanting extra grip on v1.
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    Brilliant idea! I've been considering making a new top or getting the edge knurled for grip.

    Normally I've got a million of those wristbands floating round from promos etc however the ONE time they serve a purpose I can't find any
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    So over one year on....what are the thoughts now of those who bought one? Considering buying one, not sure v1 or v2. Any comments from owners?
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    Summary:

    * OCD may help you get a perfect presentation score if you're competing in WBC
    * OCD v1 has slight / occasional coffee sticking to base issue (~ 0.1 g)
    * OCD v1 doesn't have grip of OCD v2 and some other alternate spinning distribution options
    * OCD v1 quick grip upgrade available using wristband grip hack mentioned in thread above
    * OCD v1 testing by Socratic and others seems to show decreased total dissolved solids (TDS) when compared with tap + collapse distribution method
    * Based on that testing you could probably conclude that OCD vs. well tuned consistent tap distributionion method the well tuned tap wins.
    * Results: OCD better than doing nothing; OCD no better than tapping
    * NB: I'd like to see whether the data recorded via the DE+ can help shine any more data on the differences (i.e. channelling)
    * Ona's test results PDF - they've fixed the broken link on their website now
    * Quote from PDF:
    The OCD has spacers, for depth adjustment, to account for different doses, roasts and densities of coffee.
    In our testing, the OCD has been set to a depth that limits compaction of grinds during distribution, however, creates a
    completely smooth surface for tamping. Please experiment what mm suits you, we prefer 9mm.
    * Quote from PDF - Ona's conclusion from the testing PDF:
    Back Forth Back Distribution (general quick cafe style with one finger)
    performed more consistently than Collapsing, yet not as consistent as
    OCD or Circular Hand Distribution, with higher range and variation results between them.

    * OCD likely more helpful in cafe scenario to distribute coffee evenly and consistently across barista shifts - to help everyone follow the same process; may also help save your fingers from coffee oils contact -> skin cracking or stinking up your hands.
    * OCD v2 brass has almost no coffee sticking static issue vs OCD v1 polished stainless
    * OCD v2 has upgraded grip and easier depth adjustment;
    * OCD v2 costs more than the OCD v1. $210 OCDv2 vs. $165 OCDv1
    * OCD v2 weighs more than OCD v1 - 490g OCDv2 vs. 417g OCDv1
    * OCD tested to work with IMS / VST baskets
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    Thanks very much for the very informative reply. Much to consider.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TC View Post
    ...aaaaaand the junk email I received this morning confirms that it's already been plagiarised by the Chinese
    Sorry Chris I'm not going to stay a loyal customer (as I have been) on this product as I have just ordered one of those Chinese copies for $35. Yes, $35. It looks exactly the same and has the same micro adjusting as the OCD 2.0 At that price I'm happy to test it and if I like it (I do like the concept) and find the build quality poor then I'll upgrade to the OCD. I might not need to upgrade, in that case I'm well in front. I've always followed the motto that you get what you pay for 99% of the time. This might be the 1%. I'll report back when I've got it.

    There are heaps of these out there now including the Pullman chisel which looks great. If the OCD was first then the rest are all copies.

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