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    Quote Originally Posted by readeral View Post
    Nah, 2011: The Tamper King
    Thanks, interesting read.

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    The irony is that you posted it 3 years ago here on CoffeeSnobs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    Nope.

    Prior to Reg developing his tampers we had an assortment of basic plastic and metal tampers.
    This taken from the Reg Barber site, cant post a link as it's commercial.

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    EXCEPTIONAL, INNOVATIVE COFFEE TAMPERS
    Over 20 years ago, Reg Barber was inspired to create a better coffee tamper after using a flimsy, plastic tamper. Today, he is known as the man who revolutionized the coffee tamper into a modern, must-have piece of equipment for every barista. His coffee journey began in 1995 when he decided to open his own café, and went to Seattle, Washington for training. During his training, he was introduced to the existing tools for tamping coffee, but they were either poorly designed plastic tampers, or aluminum cylinders that were awkward and uncomfortable to use. Reg knew he could make a better tamper, and when he returned home to his workshop in Victoria, British Columbia he began designing what would become the modern tamper."
    And you believe this hype and motherhood and reject fact based educational material from Perger. Extraordinary!

    When last did Barber release anything innovative?

    Your belief system says old = good, New = copy.
    Promotion is bad, except if it's from someone you think is okay, and then you believe anything they say.

    You are really dredging up ancient material that smells are poor marketing copy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by readeral View Post
    The irony is that you posted it 3 years ago here on CoffeeSnobs.
    Hah, don't recall posting it.

    Must have impressed me the first time round, still an interesting read.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dlight View Post
    And you believe this hype and motherhood and reject fact based educational material from Perger. Extraordinary!

    When last did Barber release anything innovative?

    Your belief system says old = good, New = copy.
    Promotion is bad, except if it's from someone you think is okay, and then you believe anything they say.

    You are really dredging up ancient material that smells are poor marketing copy.
    Will leave you with your thoughts and "motherhood" dlight, all getting a little weird for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    This taken from the Reg Barber site."
    Haha! That's the funniest thing I've heard all day!! Thanks for the laugh!

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    I've decided to spend my time polishing the panels on the machine rather than the coffee. 🤡
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    Will leave you with your thoughts and "motherhood" dlight, all getting a little weird for me.
    You're right. Let's call it a day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dlight View Post
    Wow, you do have a very narrow view of what innovation is!

    "Innovation generally refers to changing processes or creating more effective processes, products and ideas"

    Most innovation are small improvements on what has gone on before. It does not mean "new", "entirely different". What on earth does "genuine innovation" mean? Sounds like a motherhood to me.

    Do you really think that Reg Barber came up with that style of tamper. His innovation was to come up with one that was relatively balanced to use, in comparison to those preceding his design. The basis of the design existed long before Reg Barber came up with it. By your definition, his is simply a copy of something before him. He was a plagiarist, by your definition. Which, of course he wasn't. He "created a more effective product" - that was his innovation, as is Pullman's and Perger's. And Pullman and Perger are Australian's who standout from the crowd. Sounds like "tall poppy syndrome" to me.

    On with 'sparking things up' ...
    I would say the distinction is that genuine innovation makes something better, solves a problem or enables something new to be done. It's not just the same thing, made slightly differently (that's just marketing).

    Solving a problem which doesn't really exist, is also not genuinely innovative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dlight View Post
    And you believe this hype and motherhood and reject fact based educational material from Perger. Extraordinary!
    A lot of what Mr Perger writes is opinion, based on his own ideas or interpretations of scientific models - but which are sometimes incorrect or at least incomplete. Also, I think sometimes focused on points which aren't really that important.

    I have pointed out several such incorrect interpretations to him myself (and on my blog), with mixed reactions.

    I am sure he is trying to present useful information, but doesn't always pull it off. That becomes a problem when people take it as gospel.

    That said, there is a LOT of worse information out there!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    Morning dlight,

    I agree, there is certainly no need, polish, don't polish, makes little difference, FWIW I'm a polisher, takes little effort, does no harm and to me seems to complete the job.

    Pullman and Perger copied Reg Barbers products shamelessly (as did many other manufacturers)

    I have no problem with genuine innovation, most of what we see now is little more than tinkering with previously developed concepts i.e. a sharp edge on a tamper or variation of diameter are little more than refinements of the original design, the Reg Barber Tall Bubinga also has a sharp edge and yes, he will machine the base to your required diameter in 1/10th mm increments.
    As the owner of 2 RBs and 2 1/2 Pullmans I take a fair bit of exception to your "Pullman and Perger copied Reg Barbers products shamelessly (as did many other manufacturers)" in the case of Pullman. I have only used "post Pullman Perger tampers" briefly, so I would rather not comment on those.

    RB's were the best I could find when I bought them (mid to late '90's). One is a Euro curve, one a US curve. Both are reasonable workmanship and OK stainless but poor fit and balance in my hand - yours may work for you, mine never have really. Both have had different (wooden) handles made by me to get a better fit, balance was improved a little but still out. Oh, I made my first "height adjustable" two piece tamper out of aluminium and wood around 1975 - a copy of one an older friend had made in the '50's which was a copy of one he saw in Northern Italy (before he became an Oz resident in 1949 or on a later trip). In my case, about a week later I used some 24 / 48 stainless (old stainless grading system) and chucked the aluminium base out. No way did Reg invent either 2 piece tampers or wooden handles - nor did I, by few decades.

    2011(?), after trying the current RBs because I needed a flat base for my VSTs - which you also hate with a passion - my "machined flat Incasa" (one piece tamper) and my "old flat 6910" (two piece tamper) were both a better balance than the RBs. Neither fitted the VST baskets particularly well.

    I bought my first flat based "316 Barista Pullman" to my specs. It is like night and day - perfect fit (expected if is shipped with matching baskets) and perfect balance in my hand (nice bonus).

    Shameless copy of the RBs - you must be joking! The handle is a totally different shape (the Pergtamp photo you should have used shows this clearly). The 316 Barista (now "Premium") is made of 316 stainless - arguably the best material for a tamper - no static, mine have no tamping rings (AFAIAC, they are for amateurs) so no coffee ever sticks to them. The Pullmans are a multi piece beast complete with a few spacers that accommodate the height of most* adult hands. In contrast, my RBs are a "grind a bit of the handle to alter height" or "find a washer / spacer and extend the thread" beast. The Pullmans also have a rubber insert between the base and the handle to reduce shock over a long working day - RBs, as you correctly pointed out, are a mere two piece, so no insert.


    Additional info - all the 316 Pullman bases I know still look new - and some of them are in 200+ per day cafes. Some of their handles in cafe use are also in surprisingly good nick considering the hammering such gear gets. My RBs are of a much lower grade stainless (I doubt it is even as high as a 304 - the "other" Pullman option).


    TampIt
    PS: Disclaimer: No, I do not have any vested interest in the industry, the only gear I ever buy or sell is to help friends out - and definitely "not for profit" then. I also still do the odd bit of barista training and setting up troublesome cafe's gear for a few places - partly as "traditional long term consultant" and (mostly) for friends who are still in the trade.

    most* adult hands: I actually had to machine 3mm off one of my spare handles (Pullman VST acetal ones bought as Greg transferred the Pullman ownership to Mark Ruta) down to fit the hand of small Baltic national a week or two back (friend's cafe). Larger hands are usually no problem, although a 6'8" (about 2 metre) tall friend of mine needed an extra spacer and an additional bit of the internal thread to hold it - another easy tinkering job as the Pullman is designed to be adjustable.
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    But....but.....but.....................
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    ..... look what you can get if you don't polish when tamping with a single basket:

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    I'll have to give that a go, my tamper always wanted a somborero!
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    Tamping - To polish or not?

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    Olé!
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    I like to polish lightly before and after tamping I think before tamping with the weight of the tamp helps with the last tiny bit of distribution I find after knocks off any grinds that vacuum to the tamper.
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    A lightly lifting vacuum release gentle twist, is what I prefer to use currently.
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    "lightly lifting vacuum release gentle twist".
    We have a new acronym: LLVR-GT.

    The GT part is very important. It makes it go faster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dlight View Post
    "lightly lifting vacuum release gentle twist".
    We have a new acronym: LLVR-GT.
    The GT part is very important. It makes it go faster.
    Excellent. Who doesn't love a good acronym
    How about: Heavy Tamp Then Twisting Polishing Vacuum Release Lift: HTTTPVRL-SX.
    The SX is optional
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    U2 crack me up. Or U2CMU GTSX !
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    Behmor Brazen - $249 - Free Freight
    Quote Originally Posted by K_Bean_Coffee View Post
    ..... look what you can get if you don't polish when tamping with a single basket:
    Bill, Ben, what have they done to you!

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