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    Anyone got/tried Puqpress auto tamper?

    Just wondering if anyone has tried this electric auto tamper. I haven't found any reviews of it. I could see it being worthwhile for a cafe with not very skilled staff. Not cheap at around A$17-1800! but for the ultimate home setup....

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    Kinda the ultimate lazy buggers 'delete any skill involved in the process' tool, but interesting.
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    Yep. Looks awesome. Seems like pretty courageous pricing for what it is though

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    It does seem as if it may be useful as suggested for a cafe with inexperienced staff - top end for a home setup.

    Does anyone know what the coffee machine next to the puqpress is (the one used by the barista with the tatooed hand)?

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    Detective work - La Marzocco Linea PB
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    10 times the price of this which also looks worth a try (I've seen a few variations of this in my googling):

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    I have seen the workflow up close. The role of the human in the workflow is to act as a conveyor belt from pre-dialled in grinder to puqpress to pre-set volumetric machine to knock bin a few hundred or few thousand times a day. The role of the barista is getting a little bit smaller all the time...

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    Does rather grate that the Puqpress is $1200 odd everywhere else I've seen it other than Australia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melbroaster View Post
    I have seen the workflow up close. The role of the human in the workflow is to act as a conveyor belt from pre-dialled in grinder to puqpress to pre-set volumetric machine to knock bin a few hundred or few thousand times a day. The role of the barista is getting a little bit smaller all the time...
    I think there will always be people that want coffee made by hand (or as manual as can be) by people that call themselves barista's, but for high turnover, low skill cafes you couldn't blame them. Made by minimum wage staff, as automated as they can get away with (short of turning to a full auto machine).

    There aren't many take away food/drink stuffs that have as much theatrics/BS/skill (depending on your point of view) as coffee still has.

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    I've seen it in use in a couple of cafes I frequent; interestingly neither could be remotely described as low skill or commodity driven.

    I guess controlling one variable is seen as a positive when consistently high quality is the priority rather than theatrics or stroking the operator's ego...

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    Quote Originally Posted by wfdTamar View Post
    Detective work - La Marzocco Linea PB
    Thanks wfdTamar, the one I meant is shown below, not sure if it is a photoshop, some sort of underbench machine or just a grouphead placed on a table with driptray screen?

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    $1600 for a tamper eh, pardon my hilarity.
    Bet they probably even sell a few.


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    I thought that was too easy. I vaguely remember seeing that somewhere. It's plugged in under the counter.

    Found it - god forbid I put an actual link for fear of actually providing information. (stupid restrictive site policy)

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    It wouldn't put me off if I came across a cafe that used one of these. If they have someone who knows what they are doing monitoring the quality of what is coming out and adjusting the grind etc, I can see how it would work in some places......certainly a few places I've tried in London would have been better off with 1 decent barista, 1 of these and their other eager but marginally incompetent beavers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wfdTamar View Post
    I thought that was too easy. I vaguely remember seeing that somewhere. It's plugged in under the counter.

    Found it - god forbid I put an actual link for fear of actually providing information. (stupid restrictive site policy)

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    Nothing stupid about it (site policy) most understand the reason for the few simple rules of this forum, guess for a few the penny simply wont drop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry O'Speedwagon View Post
    It wouldn't put me off if I came across a cafe that used one of these.
    Wouldn't put me off! however would help me understand why we pay close to $5 for a cafe brew nowadays.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wfdTamar View Post
    I thought that was too easy. I vaguely remember seeing that somewhere. It's plugged in under the counter.

    Found it - god forbid I put an actual link for fear of actually providing information. (stupid restrictive site policy)

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    FYI that "stupid restrictive site policy" means that Andy can run this site without a mob of freeloaders getting free advertising whilst the sponsors who actually fund the site's upkeep have to pay good hard cash for the same privilege. Works for virtually every other CSr here - it means I can even slag off a product without a prob. I can even have a go at a sponsor as long as I keep it factual and (fairly) civil.

    BTW, that espresso machine is a trendy piece of junk I saw in several cafes in the US. Presumably those people who prefer a minimalist line over function thought it up. I have suppressed the brand details as the shot control was at the same reaction standard as a small log on top of 4 oversized marshmallows (or like the handling of most 50's and 60's US cars - including iconic ones like the original Mustang - if you prefer).

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    For my mates in the business (especially those running largely take away joints), they appreciate the consistency, speed and the lack of arm/elbow strain. They don't appreciate the daily cleaning of it (draws coffee grinds up inside) nor the price.

    FWIW, there is still plenty of work for them to do as baristas, don't you worry...

    This product may not be for everyone, but it has it's market, and those I know using it are still making excellent coffee.

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    WfdTamar thanks for locating that machine and Tampit thanks for your usage comments. I had never seen anything like it. Actually reminds me of a beer tap in so many ways.

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    I was talking to a cafe owner just this morning in Port Macquarie about them as I've seen quite a few around these parts. After watching him make a few coffees, I was really impressed with the speed of the process as compared to tamping by hand. These would be ideal not just for consistency which a solid barista can achieve, but where you have staff who just don't get it. There's nothing more disappointing when trying a new cafe and you see the lack of effort put in to a tamp...you know your coffee is going to be pretty average. I would never have considers before this as an option in a busy cafe but I think that it would be worth the while considering depending on what the value add is your looking for. Personally, for home I'd prefer the art and interaction of getting the tamp right....it's an interesting topic and sure to be loaded with varying views from the purist to the commercial...interesting

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    I put next to no effort into my tamp. Why is that a bad thing? Do you need 30 pounds?

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    You need a consistent tamp. That's about it.

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    Could just save yourself the hassle and get a line of Saeco autos on the bench. They grind, tamp, brew and eject the puck for you!

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    Have you guys been living under a rock or something? The PuqPress is not new, it's been around for a few years now. It's finding it's way into more and more high quality specialty cafes as cafe owners and baristas realise the value of it. It's not about low skill, it's about evening out skill and technique variations and virtually removing one variable. I don't think it detracts from the skill or quality of a particular Barista or cafe at all, in fact I quite like it when I see one on the bench. The new models have a few options including the ability to adjust pressure easily. And true they might be relatively expensive, but it's a one off cost.

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    Dont forget RSI...
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    The speed that it offers in throughput is incredible. I saw a barista with 2 Mythos grinders a puqpress and a volumetric la marzocco achieve a speed across multiple cups that i have never seen before
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    Faster than this machine? https://youtu.be/TADP3OamYv8?t=53
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    Quote Originally Posted by kyeba View Post
    Faster than this machine? https://youtu.be/TADP3OamYv8?t=53
    That is awesome! Gosh I miss Patricia!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyeba View Post
    Faster than this machine? https://youtu.be/TADP3OamYv8?t=53
    Haha! Classic. Gotta love the old double speed video. I especially love that there'll be some people who would've watched that and thought, "Wow! I don't know how he moves so fast!"

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    I'm a firm believer that there is far too much focus on tamp force (often misdescribed as "tamp pressure").

    I've just turned myself a "fixed depth" tamper (I've been tamping based on depth manually for a while now) - doesn't really need to be more complicated than that.

    Total cost to make it (including the lathe and tooling) is less than a Puqpress...

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    Anyone got/tried Puqpress auto tamper?

    Quote Originally Posted by LeroyC View Post
    Haha! Classic. Gotta love the old double speed video. I especially love that there'll be some people who would've watched that and thought, "Wow! I don't know how he moves so fast!"
    It's certainly not double speed (unless they've gone to the effort of recording and overdubbing a "cafe noises" soundtrack, while isolating and tone adjusting the other sounds) - but doesn't appear to be 100% either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeroyC View Post
    Haha! Classic. Gotta love the old double speed video. I especially love that there'll be some people who would've watched that and thought, "Wow! I don't know how he moves so fast!"
    Not double speed, he is pretty quick though.

    The reason this guy seems to moves so fast (compared to some of the sluggards I've seen) is that he knows exactly what he's doing, and, he has his ducks in a row.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    Nothing stupid about it (site policy) most understand the reason for the few simple rules of this forum, guess for a few the penny simply wont drop.

    I guess there's a balance between free discussion and preventing spam, but if it's too strict it can turn the site into a personal fiefdom and restricted commercial concern, too lenient and yes, then spam posts would abound.

    Personally I can't see the harm in a simple URL to provide product info and that Mods block anything much beyond that (like sales pitches), but then I suppose just mentioning the product name gives people the option to google and find it so outlawing URL's is no biggie. However it does kinda smack of protecting your own commercial concern on what, it would seem, is the largest coffee forum in Australia. A bit of a conflict of interest - is the forum about information, or sales for sponsors?

    Site sponsors should get their reward by users purchasing from them as a thank you for sponsoring (and, yes I have - from Andy), not by blocking information about non sponsors.

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    From what I've seen in cafe's getting the grind right is far more of a concern than the tamp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wfdTamar View Post
    I guess there's a balance between free discussion and preventing spam, but if it's too strict it can turn the site into a personal fiefdom and restricted commercial concern, too lenient and yes, then spam posts would abound.

    Personally I can't see the harm in a simple URL to provide product info and that Mods block anything much beyond that (like sales pitches), but then I suppose just mentioning the product name gives people the option to google and find it so outlawing URL's is no biggie. However it does kinda smack of protecting your own commercial concern on what, it would seem, is the largest coffee forum in Australia. A bit of a conflict of interest - is the forum about information, or sales for sponsors?

    Site sponsors should get their reward by users purchasing from them as a thank you for sponsoring (and, yes I have - from Andy), not by blocking information about non sponsors.
    The rule of thumb I work by - if it's the manufacturers website, and they don't sell direct to Aus market, post away.

    If it's a retail website that is not a sponsor, then don't post. Do the work to fine the information elsewhere first.

    No one would sponsor CS at all if there wasn't any benefit to doing so. It's up to sponsors to drum up their own business. A few links at the bottom, a random rotating banner and a quote form are great, but barely beneficial, and so it's fair to limit the competition/noise to those who have actually invested in the platform.

    FWIW, CoffeeParts (a sponsor) sell the PuqPress https://www.coffeeparts.com.au/puq-press-58-3mm-v2
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    Quote Originally Posted by wfdTamar View Post
    I guess there's a balance between free discussion and preventing spam, but if it's too strict it can turn the site into a personal fiefdom and restricted commercial concern, too lenient and yes, then spam posts would abound.

    Personally I can't see the harm in a simple URL to provide product info and that Mods block anything much beyond that (like sales pitches), but then I suppose just mentioning the product name gives people the option to google and find it so outlawing URL's is no biggie. However it does kinda smack of protecting your own commercial concern on what, it would seem, is the largest coffee forum in Australia. A bit of a conflict of interest - is the forum about information, or sales for sponsors?

    Site sponsors should get their reward by users purchasing from them as a thank you for sponsoring (and, yes I have - from Andy), not by blocking information about non sponsors.
    This has all been done many times before wT, yes it's a commercial forum, and, as such is going to support them that support it, not a difficult concept to grasp.

    As I said earlier in another post, Coffee Snobs has a few simple, easy to understand rules, if you don't care to observe them there is an alternative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by readeral View Post
    ...No one would sponsor CS at all if there wasn't any benefit to doing so. It's up to sponsors to drum up their own business. A few links at the bottom, a random rotating banner and a quote form are great, but barely beneficial, and so it's fair to limit the competition/noise to those who have actually invested in the platform....

    Yes, sponsors should get a reward for doing so and they get that by good 'citizenship' and the banners etc (which do lead to the benefit of sales). If users see that sponsors contribute to posts with good, unbiased info they tend to think more highly of them and can see they are real people with an interest in the industry above the mere commercial and tend to reward them commercially for that.

    Yelta - Yes, I'm sure this has been discussed before - and the 'if you don't like it leave' argument is juvenile. Or rather it's like the 'if you don't want to live in my house under rules leave' - so possibly the opposite of juvenile? :-)

    The other side of the coin is if information is restricted too much people won't read the forum as they can't get unbiased information and sponsors won't have an audience. So free discussion is in their interest too.

    Personally if I know a business is restricting information it turns me off using them. It becomes like shopping at Harvey Norman where the information you get is from whatever the slick salesperson wants you to know. I would rather a free flow of information, sources of products, etc and then if site sponsors have the greatest knowledge, helpfulness and best prices - I'll shop from them. If they want to keep me in the dark and treat me like a mushroom - I won't go near them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic_Matt View Post
    It's certainly not double speed (unless they've gone to the effort of recording and overdubbing a "cafe noises" soundtrack, while isolating and tone adjusting the other sounds) - but doesn't appear to be 100% either.
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    Not double speed, he is pretty quick though.

    The reason this guy seems to moves so fast (compared to some of the sluggards I've seen) is that he knows exactly what he's doing, and, he has his ducks in a row.
    I hope you guys are joking. The reason this guy seems to move so fast is because the clip has been sped up. Simple as that. Credibility is crumbling quickly round here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wfdTamar View Post
    Yes, sponsors should get a reward for doing so and they get that by good 'citizenship' and the banners etc (which do lead to the benefit of sales).

    Yelta - Yes, I'm sure this has been discussed before - and the 'if you don't like it leave' argument is juvenile. Or rather it's like the 'if you don't want to live i my house under rules leave' - so possibly the opposite of juvenile? :-)

    The other side of the coin is if information is restricted too much people won't read the forum as they can't get unbiased information and sponsors won't have an audience. So free discussion is in their interest too.
    Information isn't restricted. Advertising other commercial interests (either deliberately or inadvertently) is restricted.

    Think of CS (which is a business owned by Andy) as a department store. You're welcome to discuss with the salespersons and your fellow shoppers any items you want, but you're not welcome to setup signs that say "X product this way" directing people out of the store.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeroyC View Post
    I hope you guys are joking. The reason this guy seems to move so fast is because the clip has been sped up. Simple as that. Credibility is crumbling quickly round here.
    Starting the video from 1 min 20 is the tell-tale for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wfdTamar View Post

    Yelta - Yes, I'm sure this has been discussed before - and the 'if you don't like it leave' argument is juvenile. Or rather it's like the 'if you don't want to live i my house under rules leave' - so possibly the opposite of juvenile? :-)
    Will leave you to sort out your thoughts, I suspect given your somewhat abrasive attitude we won't have the pleasure of your company for long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by readeral View Post
    Starting the video from 1 min 20 is the tell-tale for me.
    Then again Al, it's on the internet so it must be true.

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    Was going to give them (Patricia Coffee Brewers) a call and ask the question, sadly, closed today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by readeral View Post
    Information isn't restricted. Advertising other commercial interests (either deliberately or inadvertently) is restricted.

    Think of CS (which is a business owned by Andy) as a department store. You're welcome to discuss with the salespersons and your fellow shoppers any items you want, but you're not welcome to setup signs that say "X product this way" directing people out of the store.

    Well, yes information IS restricted. I posted URL's pointing to two products which were removed. They were to the manufacturers sites so just for information (though they enabled purchase so also commercial). The problem is it's often hard to separate the info from the commercial.

    I think the root of the problem IS this forum being a business owned by Andy. There needs to a separation of church and state (BeanBay & CoffeeSnobs). It's gone beyond a simple forum about Andy's products (which is no doubt how it started) and the other sponsors. Because it's as big as it is it needs to be unrestricted to be seen as really unbiased.

    I want a forum to freely discuss things and availability - if that is a sponsor great, but if they aren't good enough tough.

    Anyway - no amount of discussion is going to change site policy so 'nuff said hey? :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    Will leave you to sort out your thoughts, I suspect given your somewhat abrasive attitude we won't have the pleasure of your company for long.


    Oh, very nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    Was going to give them (Patricia Coffee Brewers) a call and ask the question, sadly, closed today.
    It's been 4 years, reckon they have any staff around that remember that video?

    FWIW, I agree the dude is fast! Just there's been a slight (25%? 50%?) speed increase. The general pitch of the cafe is consistent with the kind of pitch shift I'd expect when speeding up videos (I do it with youtube's own built in mechanism all the time for lectures and such) around 1.25/1.5x.

    But as you've attempted to determine, only the source truly knows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wfdTamar View Post
    I want a forum to freely discuss things and availability - if that is a sponsor great, but if they aren't good enough tough.

    Anyway - no amount of discussion is going to change site policy so 'nuff said hey? :-)
    I'm not being a smart alec, but.....there are forums without the 'no commercial links' rules. If you reckon they provide a superior discussion, then the way forward is obvious.

    There are no restrictions of what you can discuss here (beyond issues of common decency).

    Anyway, have a good one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by readeral View Post
    It's been 4 years, reckon they have any staff around that remember that video?
    Only one way to find out!

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    Anyone got/tried Puqpress auto tamper?

    Quote Originally Posted by LeroyC View Post
    I hope you guys are joking. The reason this guy seems to move so fast is because the clip has been sped up. Simple as that. Credibility is crumbling quickly round here.
    I decided to just ask the video poster. Here's what he had to say:

    Quote Originally Posted by nobumoto420
    Hi, I didn't edit any speed and mucis so it was ambient situation at the place.
    His work was like a machine. Awesome!
    Quote Originally Posted by readeral View Post
    It's been 4 years, reckon they have any staff around that remember that video?
    I believe the guy in the video is one of the owners - might be wrong about that though.

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    I actually thought the video was sped up too, but if you skip to around 3.05 you can watch the shot timer and it seems legit
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    Quote Originally Posted by wfdTamar View Post

    Anyway - no amount of discussion is going to change site policy so 'nuff said hey? :-)
    Saves me suggesting that you start your own whinge thread and leave this one on topic.
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