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    Quote Originally Posted by GunBarista View Post
    Absolute porn.
    Thanks for the photos Paul,
    If this doesn't seal the deal then I don't know what will; Sirai, Gigar, wrapped boiler, spring valves etc.
    All performance parts!
    Absolutely GB. That's what wanted to say by didn't for fear of getting ticked off for retailers bias - yep, that happens occasionally
    I don't usually take internal pics but I think I'll change that. It's nice to show people what's under the hood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by K_Bean_Coffee View Post
    Absolutely GB. That's what wanted to say by didn't for fear of getting ticked off for retailers bias - yep, that happens occasionally
    I don't usually take internal pics but I think I'll change that. It's nice to show people what's under the hood.
    You're a transparent retailer.

    Not many retailers will go out of their way to take photos and dig deep into machines like you do.

    You understand value. When people are dropping this sort of cash on toys the very least a retailer should do is to spend some time and effort to thoroughly showcase what people are about to throw their hard earned cash at, may it be in detailed specs and explanations (better yet if it's from personal experience and I'm loving the fact that you always make aware of what you do at home on your home setup), photos, and if you have a showroom then at least make them coffees from the machines.

    I won't say too much, but you sir have my vote

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    A question if I may about the boiler on the Pro 500.

    Is it copper only? I'd guess that it would have to be a single tank with no seams of any sort due to the pressure it would have to withstand.

    What is the brass "end section" in the second pic?
    I presume it's separate from the boiler. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GunBarista View Post
    I won't say too much, but you sir have my vote
    ....and you sir have made my day. Sometimes the forum gets a little heated so a little positive feedback really goes a long way

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    I think the boiler is a tube. The ends of the boiler are brass, they are welded to the copper cylinder. The thermo syphon is a pipe that goes though the boiler and welded each side it emerges - you can see the bulge where it is reduced for the pipe fittings. This is the HX bit. most if not all 'copper' boilers have brass ends. I think for strength.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dumiya View Post
    I think the boiler is a tube. The ends of the boiler are brass, they are welded to the copper cylinder. The thermo syphon is a pipe that goes though the boiler and welded each side it emerges - you can see the bulge where it is reduced for the pipe fittings. This is the HX bit. most if not all 'copper' boilers have brass ends. I think for strength.
    Thanks Dumiya.

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    Quote Originally Posted by K_Bean_Coffee View Post
    Absolutely GB. That's what wanted to say by didn't for fear of getting ticked off for retailers bias - yep, that happens occasionally
    I don't usually take internal pics but I think I'll change that. It's nice to show people what's under the hood.
    I definitely think that would be a worth the effort for you Paul.
    When I was casually dreaming about upgrading to a prosumer machine a few years ago, it was the videos that Whole Latte Love were putting out to showcase the quailty outside and inside of the relatively unknown (in Aus) Profitec range that really ramped up my desire to take the plunge.
    As much as the American web site influenced me, it would have been reassururing to see the same type of videos by an Australian supplier.
    Cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brewster View Post
    As much as the American web site influenced me, it would have been reassururing to see the same type of videos by an Australian supplier.
    Cheers
    Mal
    Hi Mal,
    There are some great American video reviews and I agree, some Aussie ones would be excellent.
    If you saw my first "talk to the camera" video you'll see I have lots of improvements to make before I start that
    If you missed my first video please visit this thread: Paul talking about K Bean Coffee
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    Indeed Paul, I did see your video when you first posted it. It was a good bit of fun and I always like it when you can put a face to a name, makes it a bit more personal.
    Keep up the good work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brewster View Post
    Indeed Paul, I did see your video when you first posted it. It was a good bit of fun and I always like it when you can put a face to a name, makes it a bit more personal.
    Keep up the good work.
    Thanks mate - appreciated

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic_Matt View Post
    They were a special buy - some of the quieter stores might still have some

    Thanks - works for me!

    I hope ole it came with some free Aldi beans ... yumo!
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    On closer inspection it's actually an ECN Sin-chronic; on the upside it is compatible with Nespresso pods as well as the Aldi ones

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    Quote Originally Posted by readeral View Post
    Need to get me a mat I think. Been intending on it ever since I got my machine! Would solve some cup rattle issues (and tank flap issues)
    Found this in kmart:

    http://www.kmart.com.au/product/sili...FYZjvAodmg8KMQ


    Cut it to shape and cut out some of the dimples aligning with the warming tray holes for ventilation (and peace of mind), good to 250C, I'm using the offcuts as insulation on my roaster. 5 buck bargain IMO.
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    Hmm, could make a handy tamping mat perhaps

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    Heads up guys.

    The new Profitec Pro 500 units land this week after a brief shortage.

    I expect pre-orders to arrive early next week. Thanks to the people with the patience to wait

    Cheers, Paul

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    ....and I forgot to include a link.
    Here it is: www.kbean.com.au/profitec-machines/

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    Black is the new black. Here's the new full stealth Profitec Pro 500:
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    Just like with the Rocket convo previously, I think I prefer a stainless faceplate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by readeral View Post
    Just like with the Rocket convo previously, I think I prefer a stainless faceplate.
    ....mmm. Like this one?

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    ....happy days - this first full stealth Pro 500 is now heading my way. That's just what I need to downsize from my Pro 800
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    That black Pro 700 looks amazing amazing amazing. I want mine done! I'll call you Mr Bean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by K_Bean_Coffee View Post
    Black is the new black. Here's the new full stealth Profitec Pro 500:
    Looks like it's wearing a gimp suit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by herzog View Post
    Looks like it's wearing a gimp suit.
    It's a little wrong but you just made me think of Red Nose Day I had a laugh

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    Quote Originally Posted by K_Bean_Coffee View Post
    ....happy days - this first full stealth Pro 500 is now heading my way. That's just what I need to downsize from my Pro 800
    And just like that, another hat bites the dust

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic_Matt View Post
    And just like that, another hat bites the dust
    I know Matt. I'm won't be betting my hat again any time soon that's for sure.
    Cough cough... and up come the leather balls

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    Profitec Pro 500

    Just received my Profitec 500 from Paul at Kbean after my trusty nemox dell opera died after 14 years faithful service. My goodness, the Profitec is built like a tank compared to the Nemox. All that beautiful stainless is a delight to have on the bench. I'm getting drinkable coffees from day 1 but still lots to master. There is no rattling and the pump purrs like a thoroughbred. Thanks Paul for your helpful advice and awesome customer service. .
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    Much happy drinking there Listen4Life. Enjoy!
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    Profitec Pro 500

    Quote Originally Posted by Listen4Life View Post
    There is no rattling and the pump purrs like a thoroughbred.
    soooo good.... that's the way it should be. The pump is a highlight of the Pro 500, giving the slow pressure build up of a vibe pump without the usual "vibe rattle."

    Thanks for posting pics and thanks also for the kind words. Enjoy the machine and some great coffee.

    Cheers, Paul
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    Profitec Pro 500

    Profitec Pro 500 Review

    I posted a Profitec Pro 500 Review in the "Reviews" area recently but that thread doesn't get much traffic. ...this thread seems like a good place for it so here it is:

    Profitec machines are built in Milan, but designed and engineered in Germany, resulting in class leading precision and quality.

    Profitec Pro 500 highlights include sprung (non crush) valves, SS guide rails on the drip tray, a one piece cup tray, a one piece chassis, Gicar controller, dual gauges and a quiet Ulka EX5 pump - giving the vibe pump advantage of gentle pressure build up without the normal "vibe rattle."

    The Aus Spec machine has had a number of factory mods including an upgrade to a Sirai (commercial) pressure stat, a brass boiler instead of SS, to improve thermal stability and a thermosiphon mod to eliminate the need for cooling flushes. It also delivers water at a lower temperature than the OS units to suit the medium roast beans that we love here in Australia.


    ...and take a look under the hood:


    Website link to more info: www.kbean.com.au/profitec-machines/

    For more info watch these videos:
    https://youtu.be/YjyE2B4o2Ak
    https://youtu.be/pYmwoACLuQc

    A balanced review need Pros and Cons. CONS - ........ I just heard a pin drop......... None come to mind.

    There's a lot of choice near the $3k price. The Pro 500 is my personal pick, and it's the machine I have chosen for home.

    Thanks for reading

    Paul

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    I purchased a Pro500 (serious kitchen bling) from Paul of Kbean. Firstly I'd like to thank Paul for his infinite patience, help and hospitality, he was excellent to deal with. I've been using the machine since day one and recently we had 18 guest for lunch this Easter. At the end of lunch everyone wanted a coffee. I was a little nervous hoping the machine would cope. Well it did cope pumping out 18 flat whites in short time. The only trouble, when there's free coffee to be had every one wants another one. 12 more cups latter I ran out of beans( I thought I had enough). The Pro500 purred along like a well oiled machine only slowing down when the water tank needed filling or the hopper on my Quamar Q50p emptied. In the end the only thing that let me down was the barista (moi) he lacked technique and speed, none of the guest complained though. There are a number of items I love about this machine, one in particularly part that stands out is the commercial spring loaded taps, they turn on and off with little effort. And there's the four hole steam wand (OK two items) it's fast and furious heating a 330ml jug in seconds, at the start I wasn't prepared for the speed as I've only used machines with slower steamers. All in all the Pro500 has a lot of high end parts, and imo anyone prepared to part with the money will not be disappointed with the 500. Another thing/tool I'd like to recommend which helped me cope with preparing a lot of coffees for the Easter lunch was the use of a Pullman Chisel distribution tool, my Stockfleth method is slow, the Chisel took care of my fumblings and distributed the coffee beautifully, and quickly before tamping. Back to the Pro500 I'm extremely happy with it, the trouble is I want to play with my machine all the time. The only way I can avoid a serious caffein addiction, is to go Decafe. Thanks again Paul

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    No worries at all.
    Big congrats on stretching to a Profitec Pro 500 and Quamar Q50P combo.
    That's my home setup so whenever I sell these I get a extra big thrill.
    My coffee rule of thumb is 1/3 beans, 1/3 gear and 1/3 operator.
    Keep working on the operator part
    Cheers, Paul

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    Here's a pic of my home Profitec Pro 500 (stealth) and Quamar Q50P setup:
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    That's a great looking set up Paul. Seriously black op's. I can see some under the radar stealthy night extractions happening..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Umpqua View Post
    That's a great looking set up Paul. Seriously black op's. I can see some under the radar stealthy night extractions happening..
    Must say I quite like the blacked-out pro500 next to that grinder.

    Still more a fan of the chrome faceplate though

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic_Matt View Post
    Still more a fan of the chrome faceplate though
    Good news Matt.

    There are 3 options now.
    1. All SS
    2. Part stealth - front panel and drip tray cover stay SS.
    3. Full stealth - every panel in black.

    The Pro 700 has the same options.

    It will be interesting to see if people want to part with extra $ for the power coating. Right now the coating is expensive but down the track there may be a factory option.

    I LOVE the full stealth. Pics don't to is justice. I'll have to post a vid soon.

    Cheers, Paul
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    How well will the powder coated drip tray stand up to scratches long term? That'd be my main worry.

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    Not very. You can sharpen a knife on the ceramic on the bottom of a coffee cup. Powdercoat has no channce long term. Easy touch up though.
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    Good points above.

    I have black rubber mats on my drip tray and cup warmer.

    One of the reasons we're thinking about keeping the drip tray cover in SS is because that's the part that will get the most wear.

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    You could get the drip tray coated in black rubber or taking it to the next level, you could get all the high wear surfaces enamelled like the old stoves.
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    I have some rubber spray that are normally used to coat rims of the car tyre rims. Wonder if that will work on the drip tray/warming tray to reduce vibrations/wear and tear?
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    Great ideas above guys but the exact match up of all panels is what makes it look so good.
    The powder coater is confident on durability but some stress testing (bashing around) is needed to give full confidence. That will be happening soon

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    Quote Originally Posted by Umpqua View Post
    I purchased a Pro500 (serious kitchen bling) from Paul of Kbean. Firstly I'd like to thank Paul for his infinite patience, help and hospitality, he was excellent to deal with. I've been using the machine since day one and recently we had 18 guest for lunch this Easter. At the end of lunch everyone wanted a coffee. I was a little nervous hoping the machine would cope. Well it did cope pumping out 18 flat whites in short time. The only trouble, when there's free coffee to be had every one wants another one. 12 more cups latter I ran out of beans( I thought I had enough). The Pro500 purred along like a well oiled machine only slowing down when the water tank needed filling or the hopper on my Quamar Q50p emptied. In the end the only thing that let me down was the barista (moi) he lacked technique and speed, none of the guest complained though. There are a number of items I love about this machine, one in particularly part that stands out is the commercial spring loaded taps, they turn on and off with little effort. And there's the four hole steam wand (OK two items) it's fast and furious heating a 330ml jug in seconds, at the start I wasn't prepared for the speed as I've only used machines with slower steamers. All in all the Pro500 has a lot of high end parts, and imo anyone prepared to part with the money will not be disappointed with the 500. Another thing/tool I'd like to recommend which helped me cope with preparing a lot of coffees for the Easter lunch was the use of a Pullman Chisel distribution tool, my Stockfleth method is slow, the Chisel took care of my fumblings and distributed the coffee beautifully, and quickly before tamping. Back to the Pro500 I'm extremely happy with it, the trouble is I want to play with my machine all the time. The only way I can avoid a serious caffein addiction, is to go Decafe. Thanks again Paul
    Congrats on your purchase! Good to read that you pumped out 18 FWs with your Profitec / Quamar combo. I don't obviously know about your speed and workflow, but in my book that is serious load on both gear AND barista. From what I read on prosumer HX machines with a thermosyphon loop like yours, they need some recovery time after pulling so many shots, but apparently that wasn't a problem during your Easter dinner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by degaulle View Post
    ....From what I read on prosumer HX machines with a thermosyphon loop like yours, they need some recovery time after pulling so many shots, but apparently that wasn't a problem during your Easter dinner.
    ....and that's why the Aus Spec Pro 500 has been "upgraded" to a brass boiler. It has no problem keeping up.
    HX machines with SS boilers struggle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by K_Bean_Coffee View Post
    HX machines with SS boilers struggle...
    Some data/research to support that statement Paul?

    I cannot see any thermodynamic reason that a satisfactory SS HX (and boiler around it) cannot be manufactured.
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    Quote Originally Posted by K_Bean_Coffee View Post
    ....and that's why the Aus Spec Pro 500 has been "upgraded" to a brass boiler. It has no problem keeping up.
    HX machines with SS boilers struggle.
    Cheers, Paul
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    Absolutely no struggles with my Technika's SS boiler, Paul. And trust me, I've put it through its paces at conferences. Even if there are material-level conversations to be had, this particular point of rationale for brass is hot air I'm afraid.
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    Hi Al,
    The rationale comes straight from the Aus importer. The standard machine overseas has a SS boiler. The importer wasn't happy with the thermal performance so specified a brass boiler for the Aus version.
    Cheers, Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by K_Bean_Coffee View Post
    Hi Al,
    The rationale comes straight from the Aus importer. The standard machine overseas has a SS boiler. The importer wasn't happy with the thermal performance so specified a brass boiler for the Aus version.
    Cheers, Paul
    Ok-so that explains it then.

    Would appear that it's just that Profitec has submitted their assignment without completing their homework on how to manufacture a satisfactory stainless HX boiler which performs well.

    I would have thought the boiler would be copper rather than brass for reasons of health and safety.

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    Paul, I would hope that the Profitec 500 boiler is lead free

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    Yes the boiler on the Aus spec Pro 500 is Copper - so no need to worry about lead Listen4Life. And while the SS boiler performs fine, the Copper boiler was our preference which is why we specced it. Similar to the Mater/Sirai pressure stat decision we took - in favour of the Sirai.

    charlie

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    Quote Originally Posted by K_Bean_Coffee View Post
    Hi Al,
    The rationale comes straight from the Aus importer. The standard machine overseas has a SS boiler. The importer wasn't happy with the thermal performance so specified a brass boiler for the Aus version.
    Cheers, Paul
    I think Paul means Copper not Brass.

    I don't think the reason for a copper boiler here in Australia is to do with thermal stability.

    Issues with Copper V Stainless are: cost and easy of manufacturer and repair, perceived health issues, tolerance to different water quality and overall longevity.

    The EU is rightly or wrongly seeing a move towards stainless boilers.

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