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    Quote Originally Posted by lloydr View Post
    G'day Paul, I've been lurking around the site for a month and have read your posts about the Prof. 500 and watched the youtube clips - I think it's the one for me! Do you have any super deals on at the moment for a Prof. 500, Quamar Q50p & Silver accessories kit? I am in Canberra living on Pod coffee and you would be doing me a big favor by converting me over to the real coffee world.
    Thanks for reaching out Lloyd. I'll send you a PM. Pod converts are my biggest joy!
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    No Australian spec Hx should require a cooling flush.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trentski View Post
    No Australian spec Hx should require a cooling flush.
    .....I wish that were true but that's a common misconception. I won't name names but believe me on this one Trent. Aus Spec HX generally means lower boiler pressure and lower temperature - it doesn't mean no cooling flush required. I'm not going to name names publicly but If you want me to explain more please send me a PM or call me mate.
    Just recently (last week) a customer chose another "Aus Spec" machine. I warned him that a cooling flush would be needed and he reported back that I was spot in. He's got Ng to live with that but he shouldn't have to. Cooling flushes are a pain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by K_Bean_Coffee View Post
    Aus Spec HX generally means lower boiler pressure and lower temperature..
    I'm sorry Paul, but I need to correct you there. What it generally means is balancing boiler pressure and temperature as a byproduct against the heating effect to the group via the thermosyphon loop with restrictors, gicleurs and a Scace device to deliver the water temperature required at the group. This takes time and effort and if the HX design is shite, it's not gonna happen regardless of what you do. This information goes to the manufacturer for Australian production. I'd think you'll find that Charlie will confirm this on Profitec as well.

    To suggest that it's simply a matter of lowering boiler pressure is just wrong and if that's what's delivering Aus spec in some brands, it's good enough reason to bin them from range.

    Let's keep it real and correct.
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    Profitec Pro 500

    Quote Originally Posted by 2muchcoffeeman View Post
    I'm sorry Paul, but I need to correct you there...
    There's no correction at all there Mate. You just elaborated so thanks, and yes, I agree with you 100% in what "Aus Spec" should mean.
    However, I have found a few importers that call their machines "Aus Spec" because they have lower boiler pressures and that's all - they still need cooling flushes. I'm not going to name and shame but yes, I have dropped a number of machines (and brands) because of this.
    Generally importers do a great job. We are very lucky here in Aus.
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    I guess the obvious question here is why don't the manufacturers make machines like this for everywhere?

    The laws of physics are not different in Australia, and the boiling point of water is the same

    Machines are nearly always used indoors at room temperature.

    So what's different about Australia?
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    Machines that are well configured are done in a way that their brew temp meets the requirements of end users. Most home users in Aus will subject their machines to a few shots here and there spaced apart by a few minutes break a few times a day and prefer a brew temp of about 93c and so thats what the good manufacturers/importers deliver.

    If you however get one of these machines and put it in a geographic location where people use the machines in a similar way but prefer a hotter brew temp the customers would be less happy with our spec. Similarly if you put one of these single group prosumer style machines in a smaller business such as a small cafe or hairdressing salon as is more common in various places in europe and put it under higher load with periods of back to back shots, the machines would run cold and again, the customers wouldn't be happy.

    Laws of physics are constant but customer requirements vary.

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    That's a pretty decent explanation. Australia is a pretty discerning coffee market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melbroaster View Post
    Most home users in Aus will subject their machines to a few shots here and there spaced apart by a few minutes break a few times a day and prefer a brew temp of about 93c and so thats what the good manufacturers/importers deliver.
    That's a really good explanation.
    Paul @KBean explained this to me and suggested saving $1000 and getting the Pro500 (good advice) but I went for the Pro700 to be able to control water temperature. But of course reality is that I only set it at 93 or 94 degrees so the Pro500 would have been fine.
    Still, the Pro700 is a beautiful beast so I have no regrets at all

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    Once you go black you will never go back.
    By popular demand, were doing a second run of Profitec Pro 500 Stealth right now.

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