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    That is incredibly good news for the local espresso enthusiast scene

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    Quote Originally Posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
    We are in discussions with John and the Decent crew in the hope of offering Australian compliant Decent gear for sale- all going well. Early days and I am (obviously) yet to see or touch one.

    My thoughts are that the formidable big brains of our resident electronics engineer Phil and Rick (aka Coffee Machinist) will be well up to providing the local support we'd all like for this machine.

    We're hoping/planning for a CE compliant DE1+ demo machine once they're available.
    Be interested in a ballpark estimate of selling prices here - ie more than $xxxx

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    Excellent news Chris...

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    Sprudge released this podcast yesterday, with an interview of me that starts at 14:30.
    Coffee Sprudgecast: Episode 030: The One With John Buckman of Decent Espresso

    And at around 50 minutes, Scott Rao discusses his work with me, in this newly released podcast by Cat & Cloud:
    podcast – Cat & Cloud

    Quote Originally Posted by steve7 View Post
    My main concerns would be around the logic board. I am glad to see the reference to keeping the heat away, but assume there will still be moisture and some extreme-ish conditions. Over time all those components will deteriorate anyway - although having said that I still have a transistor radio that is operating 30 years after purchase!
    Intertek (for UL approval) required us to completely moisture isolate the logic boards, really tightly, and there is a fan blowing air *into* the logic board compartment, so that "positive pressure" is maintained and moisture does not get in.

    Quote Originally Posted by steve7 View Post
    Once the warranty has gone, if things like pumps and logic boards could be DIY replaced it becomes interesting. I build my own PCs so would hope it is as easy as that.
    We'll be selling all parts to all punters, not limiting it to "authorized service people", so you're welcome to buy parts and service the machine yourself, or stockpile them against a future incident.

    Quote Originally Posted by steve7 View Post
    Given it is an Android tablet, can you supply you own tablet - or replace the original with say a Samsung if it dies? (I get the impression from the Bluetooth discussion above it does not come with the tablet???)
    A 720P resolution tablet comes with the espresso machine, but any android tablet with functioning bluetooth will work. The apps will be installable (and free) off the google play store. While the tablet's current resolution is 1280x800, the app has graphic resources going up to 2560x1600, and that's what I program on, so that a higher end tablet does give you significantly prettier charts and graphics. When we add a 4th chart for "shot weight" I think the extra resolution will be very useful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by decentespresso View Post
    Sprudge released this podcast yesterday, with an interview of me that starts at 14:30.
    Coffee Sprudgecast: Episode 030: The One With John Buckman of Decent Espresso

    Well worth a listen for anyone interested in the machines.
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    Instead of a listening, anyone have a sight and name of this new (assumably US $1000 machine)? Sound is good, but pictures and details are better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smoky View Post
    Instead of a listening, anyone have a sight and name of this new (assumably US $1000 machine)? Sound is good, but pictures and details are better.
    Have you been living under a rock lately, its all over the place, you tube, other site etc. Google is your friend.
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    There is also Home Barista, the website, the Slack channel, twitter, Instagram...

    Must be a big rock
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    Quote Originally Posted by decentespresso View Post
    Sprudge released this podcast yesterday, with an interview of me that starts at 14:30.
    Coffee Sprudgecast: Episode 030: The One With John Buckman of Decent Espresso
    Agree with @roburu - The podcast is worth a listen - it answered more questions/thoughts and just adds to my dilemma about buying a new machine. Hope Talk Coffee makes progress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
    We are in discussions with John and the Decent crew in the hope of offering Australian compliant Decent gear for sale- all going well. Early days and I am (obviously) yet to see or touch one.

    My thoughts are that the formidable big brains of our resident electronics engineer Phil and Rick (aka Coffee Machinist) will be well up to providing the local support we'd all like for this machine.

    We're hoping/planning for a CE compliant DE1+ demo machine once they're available.
    Great work Chris. If any one can it's Rick and Phil. Great initiative
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    I'm really looking forward to seeing this when you get hold of one Chris. I'm a huge fan of innovative products.
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    Decent's distribution model bypasses both wholesalers and retailers. To get to the USD 1,000 price point, with the design they have, can only be done with a direct model. Direct from the manufacturer to the customer.

    Otherwise the machine would retail for over USD3,000. And that's the DE base machine.

    The direct model does not have a margin for the retailer. It's probably "worse" than Breville's model for a specialist coffee retailer. Brevillle do have some sort of margin for the retailer. Decent doesn't.

    I love their model because it allows a consumer to get a $3,000 machine for $1,000. Of course, the issue will be reliability. They propose to offer spares direct for Decent (without wholesaler or retailer margins) and also have a swap arrangement if a unit fails.

    I applaud them for their innovation and willingness to embrace a incredibly efficient distribution model. Global supply chain models now allow this. It wasn't possible 10 years ago. But there is no place for a retailers margin in this model.

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    I'll play devil's advocate here.. Moving past the $1000 to $3000 price difference that sounds a bit over the top to me (happy to be proved wrong with real examples), some people preffer to pay more for certainty and for being able to walk into a brick-and-mortar store to talk face to face with a person that speak their language (and no, I don't just mean English here). And by certainty I mean warranty supported by law, etc.

    Things are rarely black or white, which John/Decent probabbly realises since they are willing to discuss with Talk_Coffee (Decent Espresso Machines (DE1) - Any thoughts?).

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    Quote Originally Posted by matth3wh View Post
    Wouldn't it be ironic if all the controls and measurement showed that pressure profiling didn't make quite such an improvement in the cup after all.

    I like the gravimetric style / auto-adjusted brew ratio options appearing that work to a given and repeatable recipe.
    That's pretty much what they've discovered. Scott Rao reckons he's learnt more about espresso in the last year working with this machine than he has in the years before that. It looks like flow is the all important variable and pressure profiling is somewhat less useful. This is not a new discovery (think Slayer), just some more development in this area and thanks to their software they're able to capture real time data.
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    Quote Originally Posted by roburu View Post
    I'll play devil's advocate here.. Moving past the $1000 to $3000 price difference that sounds a bit over the top to me (happy to be proved wrong with real examples)
    I'm not quite sure where the $1000 to $3000 difference you refer to occurs. Unless you are talking different models and different currencies. i.e. the 110V entry level model DE1 at US$999/AUD$1349 and the 220V high end model DE1+ at USD2150/AUD2903

    Not really fair to say that a price difference is over the top when comparing one model in one currency being different to another model in another currency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeroyC View Post
    That's pretty much what they've discovered. Scott Rao reckons he's learnt more about espresso in the last year working with this machine than he has in the years before that. It looks like flow is the all important variable and pressure profiling is somewhat less useful. This is not a new discovery (think Slayer), just some more development in this area and thanks to their software they're able to capture real time data.
    Glad to see people starting to come around to that idea

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeroyC View Post
    It looks like flow is the all important variable and pressure profiling is somewhat less useful. This is not a new discovery (think Slayer), just some more development in this area and thanks to their software they're able to capture real time data.
    Why am I not surprised?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeroyC View Post
    That's pretty much what they've discovered. Scott Rao reckons he's learnt more about espresso in the last year working with this machine than he has in the years before that. It looks like flow is the all important variable and pressure profiling is somewhat less useful. This is not a new discovery (think Slayer), just some more development in this area and thanks to their software they're able to capture real time data.
    Once again, proof that we know not nearly enough about what produces good espresso but will happily go off on complete unproven tangents and design, market, sell and consume irrespective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlMac View Post
    Once again, proof that we know not nearly enough about what produces good espresso but will happily go off on complete unproven tangents and design, market, sell and consume irrespective.
    I reckon we know plenty about what produces good espresso, the fact that given decent equipment, fresh quality beans and a bit of skill, we are able to do it repeatedly and consistently speaks volumes.

    My feeling is that offering variable settings on a machine almost guarantees that the average home barista will fiddle with em, and invariably come up with pretty ordinary results.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlMac View Post
    Once again, proof that we know not nearly enough about what produces good espresso but will happily go off on complete unproven tangents and design, market, sell and consume irrespective.
    It depends how you look at it I guess. As Yelta said I think there's plenty of people that know lots about what makes good espresso and how to do it fairly consistently. What the DE is showing is that there's some science behind it that we haven't totally understood until now necessarily as we haven't been capturing data. Although I'd be interested to see the R & D that went into Slayer's latest models especially, as they have put flow above pressure in importance it seems. The other thing about a machine like the DE is that it has the potential to add some more consistency. It obviously is still reliant on a good grinder, and correct dose and tamp so it doesn't guarantee it. But for people that care the DE+ should hopefully be both consistent and also possibly give some feedback about lack of consistency from the user.
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    Quote Originally Posted by K_Bean_Coffee View Post
    I'm really looking forward to seeing this when you get hold of one Chris. I'm a huge fan of innovative products.
    Same here, you cannot put a price on innovation.


    Science helps us evolve, and this is another tool to help us find the next frontier with coffee.
    The truth is, a lot had happened and changed in the past 10 years in my short time in this industry; professionally and as a consumer.

    I’m very excited to see what the next 10 years will entail.

    So, keep up the great work

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    My thoughts are that for those with the time and technique to experiment in a scientific and methodical fashion, this gear will provide a terrific gateway to coffee chemistry still yet to be discovered. Who knows what exists on the other side?

    Time will be the factor as there are not that many who can spend day/months/years looking for that extra 2% in the cup.

    I'm figuring that those who service them will see plenty left at "default" settings- as we currently do when multi-boiler and pressure profiling machines come to visit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
    My thoughts are that for those with the time and technique to experiment in a scientific and methodical fashion, this gear will provide a terrific gateway to coffee chemistry still yet to be discovered. Who knows what exists on the other side?

    Time will be the factor as there are not that many who can spend day/months/years looking for that extra 2% in the cup.

    I'm figuring that those who service them will see plenty left at "default" settings- as we currently when multi-boiler and pressure profiling machines come to visit.
    Isn't that the truth Chris
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    My God as if there arent enough variations on coffee machines already.

    IMHO a machine designed to relieve the gullible and inquisitive of their money.

    Everything you dont need in a coffee machine, electronics, LCD monitor and fancy internals. Why not just buy a Breville from Harvey Norman? Got all that and you throwaway less money.

    Excuse me while I puke.
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    Whist I don't necessarily agree with everything you say in this post wattgn, I understand exactly where your coming from.
    At least your honest.

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    My my...are we down to that? No one needs to heat up 1.2L water and 4kg chunk of brass (E61) just to make that 60ml coffee, but we all do anyway..why are we even signed in on a coffee forum???? With that mindset, no one should even bother with technology and just drink cowboy coffee - don't forget espresso is a form of technology as well, at least 100 years ago - I can imagine some of the people back then would have resisted and said the same thing as above.


    " an (espresso) machine (and a coffee grinder) (are) designed to relieve the gullible and inquisitive of their money.

    Everything you dont need in (making a coffee), (pump), (overrated E61 groups) and fancy (tools). Why not just buy (some blend 43) from (Coles/Woolies)? Got all that (throw in some sugar and milk and come back with change) and you throw away less money."

    aren't we all gullible?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wattgn View Post
    My God as if there arent enough variations on coffee machines already.

    IMHO a machine designed to relieve the gullible and inquisitive of their money.

    Everything you dont need in a coffee machine, electronics, LCD monitor and fancy internals. Why not just buy a Breville from Harvey Norman? Got all that and you throwaway less money.

    Excuse me while I puke.
    Clearly there is room in the creative minds of engineering types for another variation on the coffee machine. It doesn't have to suit your tastes (or mine for that matter) to be a legitimate pursuit.

    It appears these guys have been working exceptionally hard on their product, so although you're personally not keen, a little restraint goes a long way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wattgn View Post
    Excuse me while I puke.
    That's how I feel when reading an appalling, ill informed comment like this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wattgn View Post
    My God as if there arent enough variations on coffee machines already.

    IMHO a machine designed to relieve the gullible and inquisitive of their money.

    Everything you dont need in a coffee machine, electronics, LCD monitor and fancy internals. Why not just buy a Breville from Harvey Norman? Got all that and you throwaway less money.

    Excuse me while I puke.
    Have you sold your Wega Grant? I'm pretty sure that it contains some electronics and fancy internals too. The sort of technology that was only dreamt of 25-30yrs ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeroyC View Post
    Have you sold your Wega Grant? I'm pretty sure that it contains some electronics and fancy internals too. The sort of technology that was only dreamt of 25-30yrs ago.
    It is as simple a machine as can be imagined, E61 HX. E61 as in 1961...

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    Quote Originally Posted by wattgn View Post
    It is as simple a machine as can be imagined, E61 HX. E61 as in 1961...
    Really? You could get small footprint home espresso machines in 1961? My understanding was that even though the design of the e61 group head is 55yrs old the whole concept of a home espresso machine like yours was developed much later. Simple is relative. I don't think anyone would've thought the e61 was simple in 1961. And as much as the e61 group head design is essentially the same as it was all those years ago, pretty much every other part of a machine like your Wega is new and improved. I could be wrong about this and am happy to be proven so, but I think I'm on the right track.

    If we're going to dismiss new developments in any field so easily I think we need to take a look at where we stand. What did your Wega cost? More than $2000 I'm guessing? To me that's obscene when I can get such amazing results from the machine below that cost me $40. And even that's an unnecessary expenditure when you can make perfectly good coffee with a $15 French press.

    Like you I have some doubts and reservations about the DE, and I did sort of dismiss it initially. Most of my doubts are around how it will stand up to every day use. You can test all you want, but it will never reflect real world conditions (just ask Airbus re the A380). Also I don't think you can ever account for the idiot factor, no matter how simple you make something. But I've definitely got my mind open to the possibilities this machine embodies. It looks like John is a very savvy businessman and I applaud the fact that he's having a go.

    BTW. Did Stephen tell you he's both bought a grinder off me AND ordered a Behmor? I think he's hooked.
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    Yeah Stephen is going well with your grinder. Espresso machines can and should be simplicity itself. The technology is old hat mostly and I like that. Inside an HX machine there is a thermostat, a few valves and switches, level probes and the boiler element. The cost is in old fashioned chrome 316 SS, Brass groups etc. Worth the money.Before that I had the Bezzera BZ40P which is even more simple with a brass boiler and a bridge to heat the head. It was 20 years old when I sold it and will probably run another 20 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wattgn View Post
    Yeah Stephen is going well with your grinder. Espresso machines can and should be simplicity itself. The technology is old hat mostly and I like that. Inside an HX machine there is a thermostat, a few valves and switches, level probes and the boiler element. The cost is in old fashioned chrome 316 SS, Brass groups etc. Worth the money.Before that I had the Bezzera BZ40P which is even more simple with a brass boiler and a bridge to heat the head. It was 20 years old when I sold it and will probably run another 20 years.
    So, why did you sell it just to buy one of those over-complicated E-61 thingies?

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    It owed me nothing and it was 20 years old and was overdue for a strip down and descale. I like shiny new things too. These machines are made to please your wife.If it looks good it is OK.

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    All valid points Grant, but you're flying in the face of your initial post. Your general gist was that the DE is completely unnecessary technology and is simply being designed to part fools from their cash. That may be true to a certain extent, but if this is the way we're gonna think where do you draw the line? We're surrounded by pieces of technology that it could be argued are unnecessary- the computers or devices we're using to have this debate for starters. What about the cars we drive? Why spend thousands on something that does little more than you can do with a bicycle, horse and cart or your own two legs? Anyway I digress a little.

    My final point is that I have absolutely no problem with an entrepreneur, whether intentionally or not, separating the gullible from their hard earned. 99% of the people buying this stuff through gullibility can afford to do so without causing themselves or their families any undue stress. So I don't pay them a second thought really.
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    Don't get overexcited Leroy, you will always get different points of view.

    I like simplicity in design and also simple enough I can service it myself rather than having to transport a 30kg machine somewhere and then wait to get it fixed and possibly pay an expensive service fee.

    There are good reasons for the views that I hold and I have explained them I think.

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    You certainly haven't explained them. But please don't try. You taken this thread so far off topic, you have probably succeeded with your intention.

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    Update on first decent espresso machines shipping

    I'm preparing a public "bug list" (or "todo list", if you prefer) that will give detailed information about what needs to be done before we ship, and I'll be posting a message about that in the next 2 weeks.

    --> When will we ship?

    The short answer is that while the espresso machine functioned well during my 2 month (November/December) sales tour, I was not happy with its ability to handle "shipping trauma", especially airplane baggage handlers. All 3 of the DE1s failed at some point during my two month sales tour and needed repairs. That's not good enough to ship to customers, and so:

    1) I'm about to hire an independent mechanical engineering company to audit our internals

    2) I have hired a new inhouse mechanical engineer to rethink our internal layout. He will be done with this in mid-January, we will make a new machine with his internals that we'll test, and should have that finished by end-of-February. There is also the possibility that we'll want another iteration cycle, which if that happens, will add 5 more weeks to the schedule.

    3) I'm purchasing a "shipping simulator" machine, to shake the hell out of the DE1 before it goes to the next stage of beta testing.

    This is unfortunately going to push out the DE1/DE1+ out to April/May. I know this is disappointing, but I much prefer to be late in shipping than to ship a product that won't give you years of satisfaction.

    If at any point you (or anyone) doesn't want to wait, just drop me an email and I will 100% refund any money you've put toward our espresso machines.

    I wish I could give you very precise delivery dates, but these are the first machines we're making, which means ordering 200 parts in volume, getting that right, and getting the reliability and build quality right, and I want to make sure we do a good job.

    Hope that makes sense...

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    Here's what our shipping simulator machine looks like.
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    Transparency ftw.
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    Great to be back on topic. And thanks for the update, John.

    I think you have an amazing concept and I'll happily wait until you feel ready to ship.

    I'll be pairing a 25 year old E61 machine (admittedly with a PID upgrade) with the state of the art Decent machine which should make an interesting comparison.

    I plan to use both an Elektra Nino and a Super Jolly as grinders.
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    Hopefully you're still coming to MICE, John?.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Logga View Post
    Hopefully you're still coming to MICE, John?.
    I would love to, but the conference falls smack in the middle of when we need to be getting our factory act together, and given that it takes a good month to prepare for a conference, it's really not a good time.

    Between Rao and Lee Safar (an Australian who helps me with PR) we think we can organize a solid café-tour when we're ready, like I just finished in US/Canada/UK, and that's probably how you'll come to get your hands on a DE1 and try it out. That way, also, we can do it at the right time.

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    Spilling the Beans, Episode 7: A New Beginning





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    Sigh, my Aussie helper (that's it, blame the Australian) deleted the 2nd video above, so here's a new working URL for the 2nd video:


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    John,

    Love the plan, shame about the delay, but far better to get these bugs out pre-deployment than post shipment.

    I think I recall from somewhere that the tablet is attached to the DE1 with a magnetic holder and communicates via bluetooth ? and by the looks of things from one of the video's the tablet power is external or is it plugged in to the DE1 ?

    The main cover seems to be easily removable, and so would be able to get it re-powder coated ..... as everything in our kitchen need to meet colour standards set by a "Greater Power"

    Good luck on your redesign, will you need to review CE certification again and potentially delay past April/May ?

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    Have spent the last day reading as much as I can about this development and very impressed with the approach and transparency of the project.

    Found the answers to a couple of my questions,


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    I think I recall from somewhere that the tablet is attached to the DE1 with a magnetic holder and communicates via bluetooth ? and by the looks of things from one of the video's the tablet power is external or is it plugged in to the DE1 ?
    Found this YouTube that answers - it's a magnetic holder and communicates via bluetooth and the tablet power is external - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qi5Rw8w42zs&app=desktop

    Quote Originally Posted by Downunder55 View Post
    The main cover seems to be easily removable, and so would be able to get it re-powder coated ..... as everything in our kitchen need to meet colour standards set by a "Greater Power"
    To quote John from another forum "when we get to a higher production size, we'll have other colors"

    .............but a vinyl wrap is a great option as well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psUqzXfgK9o

    Quote Originally Posted by Downunder55 View Post
    will you need to review CE certification again and potentially delay past April/May ?
    Do hope it's not delayed past May, I really do think this is worth a go as soon as it get CE certification, I really don't have the patience to await Aussie bureaucracy and regulation.

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    "Building the first machines" : Spilling the Beans #9

    "Building the first machines" : Spilling the Beans #9

    I suspect this might be the most interesting video we've done for CSers, as there's lots of technical peeks into how we have made our espresso machine.


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    The concept is fantastic - I worry about the ease of maintenance and parts replacement though, and that water tank design doesn't look robust to me - I know I'd spill water pushing it in. Anyway, best of luck with it all

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElShauno View Post
    The concept is fantastic - I worry about the ease of maintenance and parts replacement though, and that water tank design doesn't look robust to me - I know I'd spill water pushing it in.
    Regarding parts, we will be selling all the parts to our machines online, to all punters.

    Regarding maintenance, we'll be asking you to slow ship your dead machine to us and we'll swap it for a new machine that we send you directly. We'll then repair your dead machine and sell it at a discount as a "refurb unit". We don't have it set up currently, but my hope is to have an AU depot for receiving dead machines, so you don't have to send it back to Hong Kong. We'll be sorting that out this summer.

    Regarding splashing and the water tank, there are two solutions:
    - we have made a metal baffle insert, that will be an optional accessory, that totally stops the "wave" movement that can cause spillage. One of our "spilling the beans" videos shows it, at 1:20 at this url: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbqVkIoGI9s
    - or put plastic wrap over the water tank, and tear a small corner out for the intake tube. This actually works quite well.
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