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    ECM Mechanika V Slim

    ECMs new Mechanika slim has arrived.

    We have one on the bench now and it is a nice bit of gear.

    https://www.casaespresso.com.au/ecm-mechanika.html

    The "slim" essentially replaces the full size Mechanika in Australia. From now the full size version will be on special order only through the importer.

    This makes sense as it was often a confusing model line up with the Mechanika and Technika being almost the same machine previously.

    Nice and compact at only 25cm wide it joins the market occupied by the Rocket Appartmento and Izzo Vivi.

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    Lovely. Shame they don't come with the lever valves.

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    Good looking machine.

    Have to say I much prefer the rotary valves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    Good looking machine.

    Have to say I much prefer the rotary valves.
    Looks wise you mean? I guess I agree on that front, but levers are sooo much easier to use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeroyC View Post
    Looks wise you mean? I guess I agree on that front, but levers are sooo much easier to use.
    You find turning a tap difficult?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    You find turning a tap difficult?
    No, but levers are just easier.

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    Still 50/50 on the levers/taps option IMO.

    Yes the levers are nice to use , however in this case i believe ECM have gone with taps to differentiate the Slim from the Technika.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeroyC View Post
    No, but levers are just easier.
    One mans poison they say, I find levers easier myself.

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    ECM Mechanika V Slim

    To be fair my experience is fairly limited. Iíve only really used appliance level or relatively small coffee machines with fairly basic steam valve knobs that werenít always in the best position. The one machine Iíve used with a lever type valve was my old Faema Due which had slide type levers. From my limited experience I preferred the levers, but if I was buying a new machine at the prosumer level Iíd want to try a few options first for comparison.

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    They really messed this one up It's too expensive. It's a glorified Rocket Appartamento, instead it's priced almost the same as a Technika Profi, at least here in Sweden. On the Technika you get rotary pump and possibility to plumb it. This machines makes no sense to buy except for those with really limited kitchen space - but then the much cheaper Appartamento makes more sense in that case!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanax View Post
    They really messed this one up It's too expensive. It's a glorified Rocket Appartamento, instead it's priced almost the same as a Technika Profi, at least here in Sweden. On the Technika you get rotary pump and possibility to plumb it. This machines makes no sense to buy except for those with really limited kitchen space - but then the much cheaper Appartamento makes more sense in that case!
    I wouldn't agree with you here Tanax.

    Maybe things are a bit different here in Australia with pricing.

    In Australia the RRP on the models that compete against the new Mechanika are-
    Appartmento $2699
    Izzo Vivi $2899
    Mechanika Slim $2960

    Difference across the three on RRP $260. Of course street price is always different but RRP gives a good guide of the starting prices.

    The Technika Rotary has an RRP of $3450 in Australia. That's $490 above the new Mechanika slim. A fair amount in my books.

    Manufacturing costs of a "slim or compact" machine are not necessarily any less then the a standard full size. In addition I would suggest a two or three hundred dollar price difference between models in this price range is going to be justified by buyer preference over a brand name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casa Espresso View Post
    I wouldn't agree with you here Tanax.

    Maybe things are a bit different here in Australia with pricing.

    In Australia the RRP on the models that compete against the new Mechanika are-
    Appartmento $2699
    Izzo Vivi $2899
    Mechanika Slim $2960

    Difference across the three on RRP $260. Of course street price is always different but RRP gives a good guide of the starting prices.

    The Technika Rotary has an RRP of $3450 in Australia. That's $490 above the new Mechanika slim. A fair amount in my books.

    Manufacturing costs of a "slim or compact" machine are not necessarily any less then the a standard full size. In addition I would suggest a two or three hundred dollar price difference between models in this price range is going to be justified by buyer preference over a brand name.

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    Hi Anthony,

    Yes, prices seem to indeed be quite different!
    In Sweden, Appartamento is (the equivalent of) aprox. $2090 (AUD).
    Mechanika V Slim is (the equivalent of) aprox. $2670 (AUD) whereas the Technika IV Profi is (the equivalent of) aprox. $2750 (AUD).

    Difference between Mechanika and Technika is only $80 whereas the difference between Mechanika and Appartamento is a whopping $580. In this case, Mechanika makes no sense at all. If you're stepping up $580 from the Appartamento you might as well step up to the Technika and add another $80 to get a rotary pump and the ability to plumb it. And like I said, if you're short on kitchen space, those $580 difference from Appartamento only gets you stainless steel (insulated) boiler and a brew pressure gauge. Not sure if that's worth $580 :/

    Marcus

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    Hello Marcus,

    That is a really interesting comparison on pricing.

    Different markets, demands and sales volumes.

    Agreed in Sweden the Appartmento looks to be great value and the Mechanika Slim looks overpriced compared to the Technika.

    We have a new Mech Slim on our demo bench now, its every bit as good as the Appartmento on features and price (in Australia)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casa Espresso View Post
    Hello Marcus,

    That is a really interesting comparison on pricing.

    Different markets, demands and sales volumes.

    Agreed in Sweden the Appartmento looks to be great value and the Mechanika Slim looks overpriced compared to the Technika.

    We have a new Mech Slim on our demo bench now, its every bit as good as the Appartmento on features and price (in Australia)

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    Kind of comparing apples with oranges.

    I could list lots of major pricing disparities between Australia and the US, a bit pointless really, we live in countries half a world apart with big differences in population and politics.

    Whilst it's nice to look longingly over the fence, the truth is most of us have to purchase in our own backyard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    Kind of comparing apples with oranges.

    I could list lots of major pricing disparities between Australia and the US, a bit pointless really, we live in countries half a world apart with big differences in population and politics.

    Whilst it's nice to look longingly over the fence, the truth is most of us have to purchase in our own backyard.
    Agreed 100% Man from Yelta.

    As an importer and distributor we get asked verbatim " but in the USA it is xx cheaper, in Europe it is xxx cheaper etc"

    Australian certifications , modifications the importer does for Australia, freight (yes we are on the other side of the world) all seem to be forgotten by many people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    Kind of comparing apples with oranges.

    I could list lots of major pricing disparities between Australia and the US, a bit pointless really, we live in countries half a world apart with big differences in population and politics.

    Whilst it's nice to look longingly over the fence, the truth is most of us have to purchase in our own backyard.
    Of course, it was not my intention to debate the price per say. More the price-difference between different machines My point was merely that here in Sweden, Mechanika Slim doesn't make much sense since it's almost as expensive as the Technika Profi and that if space really is an issue (since Technika is rather large), the Appartamento makes more sense since it's so much cheaper than the Mech Slim

    I assure you I have no plans of buying a machine from Australia
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanax View Post
    I assure you I have no plans of buying a machine from Australia
    And I feel quite confident in saying that very few Australians are planning on buying an espresso machine from Sweden.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Casa Espresso View Post
    ECMs new Mechanika slim has arrived.



    Nice and compact at only 25cm wide it joins the market occupied by the Rocket Appartmento and Izzo Vivi.

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    Don't forget the Lelit Mara and Vibiemme Junior Antony. At 22cm wide, the Lelit Mara is the most compact E61/HX on the market. And of course the Vibiemme Junior created the compact segment some years ago.

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    Grillsy here.
    Long time reader, newbie poster.
    Iím looking for a compact unit right now and was about to pull the trigger on the Lelit Mara but this Mechanika has my attention. I like the look of it but Iím told that all ECM machines run hot and need a cooling flush or an Australian spec modification. Thoughts??? Is that really something to consider?
    Please be nice and not too techie *

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grillsy View Post
    Grillsy here.
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    Iím looking for a compact unit right now and was about to pull the trigger on the Lelit Mara but this Mechanika has my attention. I like the look of it but Iím told that all ECM machines run hot and need a cooling flush or an Australian spec modification. Thoughts??? Is that really something to consider?
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    Morning Grillsy, welcome to Coffee Snobs.

    I'm sure Antony from Casa Espresso will set all of his machines up to suit Australian conditions, why not give him a call and discuss your requirements, he's an easy guy to talk to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grillsy View Post
    Grillsy here.
    Long time reader, newbie poster.
    I’m looking for a compact unit right now and was about to pull the trigger on the Lelit Mara but this Mechanika has my attention. I like the look of it but I’m told that all ECM machines run hot and need a cooling flush or an Australian spec modification. Thoughts??? Is that really something to consider?
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    Hi Grillsy,

    Welcome to the forum.

    I am not sure where you might have read or seen that? Definitely not the case.

    The German made ECMs are amongst the best finished machines on the market. Their group head is their own tweeked E61 unit and is very heat stable.

    Added when the machine is set up by your Australian seller, a properly calibrated HX machine does not need a cooling flush.

    As Yelta has said, feel free to give me a call and i can go through it with you in more detail

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    Yelta & Anthony, thanks for the quick help and the welcome.
    Thatís good to know. I through it would be weird for a brand like ECM to not be setup in the right way. I found one basic video on the ECM slim on YouTube but thereís no review yet. Iíll read up and make a decision soon.
    Grillsy

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    No worries Grillsy.

    Call when you are ready

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    Antony, I thought ECM, although German, are actually Italian built.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tridoros View Post
    Antony, I thought ECM, although German, are actually Italian built.
    Tridoros,

    Yes you are correct.

    ECM is German owned and their commercial machines and grinders are made in Germany. The domestics still in Italy

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    I'm curious if this model has a copper or stainless steel boiler in Australia. The official German website says stainless steel, but I've seen it being advertised as copper by one seller. Either that's an error, or the Aus version is copper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HorseFD View Post
    I'm curious if this model has a copper or stainless steel boiler in Australia. The official German website says stainless steel, but I've seen it being advertised as copper by one seller. Either that's an error, or the Aus version is copper.
    Stainless steel on the one we have in stock...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casa Espresso View Post
    Stainless steel on the one we have in stock...

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    Thanks Antony, good to know.

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    I'm torn between this and profitec pro 500. I can get this cheaper where I am. Haven't seen many reviews of this one as it's still fairly new.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garrus View Post
    I'm torn between this and profitec pro 500. I can get this cheaper where I am. Haven't seen many reviews of this one as it's still fairly new.
    What market are you in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casa Espresso View Post
    What market are you in?
    Brisbane qld

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garrus View Post
    Brisbane qld
    Garrus, check out Crema Coffee Garage in Brisbane. They have the Mechanika Slim you are after for a price you will like.
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    I have had a Mechanika IV for 6 months. It does indeed need a cooling flush. Depends how long machine has been on. At most a half of a cup. Not an issue though. Use that water to warm cup (Bodum glass in my case).

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    We have our moving sale this weekend.

    I would rather send a machine to Brisbane then have our movers relocate down here.

    PM or call me for "moving sale" pricing

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    I'm disappointed with this model. I was close to buying the technica iv with steam levers for under $3000 and yet this seems inferior. If I leave it for a few months then there won't be any stock left in Australia. I like the levers and I don't like the look of the new model. Personal choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barri View Post
    I'm disappointed with this model. I was close to buying the technica iv with steam levers for under $3000 and yet this seems inferior. If I leave it for a few months then there won't be any stock left in Australia. I like the levers and I don't like the look of the new model. Personal choice.
    Hi Barri,

    Have you purchased a Slim, i wasn't sure from your post?

    We have the slim in stock and also a Technika rotary with toggles. If you are still chasing a Tecknika for under $3000 then you might want to give me a call

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    I bought one of these, a Mechanika V, over the weekend to replace my venerable yet still fully functional Rancilio Silvia. After some initial confusion which was sorted out by the courteous vendor (a sponsor here) I pulled shots one and two today. Realistically I am sure the machine second, or third, on my short list would have made me just as happy with the coffee (one does not pay this money to buy a stovetop coffee cooker ). That said, I am exceptionally happy with my choice on all counts. This is a great machine in this range, satisfying me in coffee result, operation, build and aesthetics.

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    How does this machine compare with the Profitec Pro 500 model with PID?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steffche View Post
    How does this machine compare with the Profitec Pro 500 model with PID?
    The most obvious one is the PID. The other difference is the smaller footprint of the ECM. Beyond that they are very comparable machines.

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    For me the answer was in linear, square and cubic centimetres. Our kitchen is not small but even so, we have "a space" dedicated to coffee toys; the supplanted Rancilio Silivia was compact. As one of the two cooks in the kitchen I am OK with that.

    Like I said, I am sure my other two on the short list, Diadema Junior Plus and Expobar Minore IV, would have done a fine job. So does the ECM and it is a little smaller or, dare I say, Slim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arcachon View Post
    The most obvious one is the PID. The other difference is the smaller footprint of the ECM. Beyond that they are very comparable machines.
    Thank you for your reply. And if you wee to compare the shot pulled from either of these two machines to the Breville BES920 would you say that there would be a noticeable difference...worth the extra $$ ??

    Just curious as I currently have a BES920 and am considering an upgrade as it is currently in for repairs...solenoid I believe...?

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    Steffche your 2nd sentence is what you firstly would be well served to focus on.
    What is not mentioned here often (or at all) is the longevity of trouble free use, and the ease of accessing parts or repairers with the
    commercial based single G/H machines.
    Verses the OEM appliance brands which closely control the supply line.
    I am not or never been an owner of the brands or models of machines in this thread. I have however owned a number of machines to date including Domestic Appliance brand machines and Commercial single G/H.

    Espresso coffee to me is like a stepladder whether it be -
    1/ Beans, 2/ Grinder, 3/ Barista, 4/ Water conditioning, 5/ Machine.
    Each and every choice can lift you up or drop you down a rung or 2.
    With No. 3 with the most influence (then 1,2,4,5 imho)
    Obv. with out the machine nothing else is required.

    Of course depends on how much effort & input you wish to apply to your coffee satisfaction.
    GL with your choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EspressoAdventurer View Post
    Espresso coffee to me is like a stepladder whether it be -
    1/ Beans, 2/ Grinder, 3/ Barista, 4/ Water conditioning, 5/ Machine.
    Each and every choice can lift you up or drop you down a rung or 2.
    With No. 3 with the most influence (then 1,2,4,5 imho)
    Obv. with out the machine nothing else is required.

    Of course depends on how much effort & input you wish to apply to your coffee satisfaction.
    GL with your choice.
    This is 100% correct. The best machine in the world will suffer if you fall short on the other 4 aspects, with 1 and 4 being the easiest to address.

    In answer to the question about shot quality from the E61 machines vs the Breville I'll work on the assumption the point 1-4 are all taken care of. In my opinion you will definitely get a better (and more consistent) shot from the E61 machines. As for being worth the extra money? Well that comes down to personal preference. The vast majority of coffee drinkers out there would likely say 'no', citing that it still all tastes like coffee and the $1500 gap could be spent elsewhere. Me personally I would say 'yes'. If I'm on 2-3 coffees a day then over a 5 year period its coming down to around 30c per coffee extra. Is the improved quality worth the extra 30c? Absolutely!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by arcachon View Post
    This is 100% correct. The best machine in the world will suffer if you fall short on the other 4 aspects, with 1 and 4 being the easiest to address.

    In answer to the question about shot quality from the E61 machines vs the Breville I'll work on the assumption the point 1-4 are all taken care of. In my opinion you will definitely get a better (and more consistent) shot from the E61 machines. As for being worth the extra money? Well that comes down to personal preference. The vast majority of coffee drinkers out there would likely say 'no', citing that it still all tastes like coffee and the $1500 gap could be spent elsewhere. Me personally I would say 'yes'. If I'm on 2-3 coffees a day then over a 5 year period its coming down to around 30c per coffee extra. Is the improved quality worth the extra 30c? Absolutely!!
    Thanks for your inputs guys. I really appreciate it.

    I must say I am pretty fussy when it comes to coffee. I am on the road alot, and mostly in the south eastern suburbs of Melbourne where I find are the best and most consistent cafes around, I often but my coffee from some fairly hipster Barista's.

    I ripped out my old BES900 today and pulled a few shots, and actually found them to be so much better than I was ever able to get with my BES920. I always suspected this when I first opened my 920 out of the biox, and I wished I hadn't, so I could have returned it to the store for a full refund, as the BES900 was doing its job. Only reason I decided to upgrade was for the ability to descale at home, which wasnt worth it in the end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casa Espresso View Post
    Hi Grillsy,

    Welcome to the forum.

    I am not sure where you might have read or seen that? Definitely not the case.

    The German made ECMs are amongst the best finished machines on the market. Their group head is their own tweeked E61 unit and is very heat stable.

    Added when the machine is set up by your Australian seller, a properly calibrated HX machine does not need a cooling flush.

    As Yelta has said, feel free to give me a call and i can go through it with you in more detail

    cheers

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    Hi Antony,
    Can you explain what a proper Hx setup would be that would eliminate the need for a cooling flush? The cooling flush is one of the reasons I am staying away from a Hx for my next machine but I could surely save $$ by going with one.

    Thanks,
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    How does this compare to the Vibiemme Domobar Junior?

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    Hi Zeppelin, I was in the same predicament as you with choosing between a Mechanic Slim or the Domobar junior 3 months ago. I ended up choosing the VBM over the ECM Slim for the following reasons.
    the VBM has a smaller footprint than the Slim, this was important as I share the kitchen with the rest of the family.
    The VBM has a 1.45lt boiler v the Slims 2.2lt but the VBM has a 1600w element v 1200w on the Slim so recovery time is quick on the VBM. Steam pressure is not an issue on either machine as the larger boiler on the Slim has more capacity than the VBM. Over the last 3 months with making multiple milk based drinks I have never had to wait for the VBM to heat up.
    The smaller boiler size obviously helps contribute to the smaller footprint of the VBM also.
    I like the traditional copper boiler and brass grouphead of the VBM over the SS boiler and grouphead of the ECM but I understand why ECM use SS on the boiler and grouphead for scale protection. The use of a good water filter such as Brita c150 finest will ensure neither machine suffers from water issues.
    Both boilers are insulated.
    I like the all SS frame of the VBM v the ECM powdercoated steel. The SS will not corrode whereas the powdercoated will eventually.
    Similar sized water tanks on both machines, the VBM is enclosed with a small push in cap located beneath the cup warmer as is the ECM. This is an improvement over the earlier VBM Juniors I believe.
    The VBM Junior has been around for a long time and as has been raised on this forum in the past has had some reliabity issues. The ECM Slim is a new model. I cannot comment on the reliabity issue of the VBM Junior other than to say that from my research I am happy to own the VBM.
    Both companies have been around for a very long time and both make a quality product. I found the finish on the VBM to be very good as is the ECM Slim. The portafilters on the ECM with the SS ends are great but the VBM feel good in the hand also.
    Both VBM and ECMs internal layout is very good with quality parts used through out both machines, nothing seems to rub and electrical wires are neat and nicely cable tied on both.
    The cup warmer on the ECM is a little larger than the VBM.
    The ECM has cooltouch wands v the VBMs standard wands but this is not a big deal for me as you just hold the rubber grip to move the wand on the VBM and I have yet to accidentally burn myself on the wands.
    The VBM Junior is about $400 less than the ECM Slim - Crema Coffee Garage pricing used, so a reasonable difference.
    The drip tray is bigger on the VBM but the ECMs size is not tiny either.
    I am very happy with having chosen the VBM Junior, but I would have been happy with the ECM Slim also. The deciding point for me was the smaller footprint of the VBM Junior.
    I am sure you would be happy with either.
    cheers
    Maurice

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    Wow, thanks for the detailed response. I think I will end up going for the Vibiemme. Thanks for the advice on a water filter, I had started looking in to them as the Vibiemme retailer had mentioned some of their clients had been having scale build up issues. The Vibiemme machine comes packaged with a Mazzer mini and a few extras where as the ECM comes with a Eureka Mignon and no accessories for $80 more, so might end up saving me a couple of hundred dollars too.

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    If they're both from the same shop can you get hands on with them, grinders too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by level3ninja View Post
    If they're both from the same shop can you get hands on with them, grinders too?
    Different shops. Here in New Zealand the Vibiemme retailers exclusively sell Vibiemme from what I’ve seen, must be the deal the importer here does with the stores. There’s not enough competition here either so haven’t had much luck talking to the sales agents, they have all been particularly unhelpful except for one that is selling the Vibiemme but that store is in another town as the local one messed me round too.

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