Page 1 of 2 1 2 LastLast
Results 1 to 50 of 91
Like Tree1Likes

Thread: CS "fair crack" Coffee.

  1. #1
    CoffeeSnobs Owner Andy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Location
    Internet
    Posts
    15,539
    Blog Entries
    1

    CS "fair crack" Coffee.


    After dropping an idea in another thread I received 5 emails in 15 minutes saying "hey, Im keen to try something like that" so here starts the discussion.

    It would be great if one day CS members can sponsor a coffee workers co-op ,school or medical centre in East Timor or PNG via a 0.50c/kg donation or a 5% of order "warm and fuzzy wuzzy CS tax"

    For a long time I have been keen to setup a "sponsor a plantation" type scheme where we can control how much (how little!) is gobbled-up in admin overheads (which is my main bug-bear with the existing systems).

    I know a few brokers and coffee industry people that would be great at sourcing a worthy cause and with any luck could also let us see the tangible goodness that a membership of our size could generate.

    So... post your thoughts and ideas in here and we will work towards a way of making a real difference to someone else’s coffee world without business class airfares, flash CBD offices and glossy pamphlets to self promote and eat the donations.

    Thoughts?

  2. #2
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Posts
    802

    Re: CS "fair crack" Coffee.

    Sounds like a terrific idea. I have a few guilty feelings when I read the labels on the coffeesnobs bags - so many of the coffees come from countries that have been devastated in one way or another. Anything we can do to address the balance has to be a good thing.

  3. #3
    Senior Member fatboy_1999's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Location
    Melbourne
    Posts
    2,084

    Re: CS "fair crack" Coffee.

    Im all for it.
    Would it be fair (no pun intended) to say that it does not have to be a plantation that we neccessarily buy coffee from?

    Could the sponsorship perhaps take the form of providing monetary and/or practical assistance to enable the growers to be more competitive, or grow a better crop, or build a drying shed etc.?

    How about a CoffeeSnobs farmstay? A number of people actually travel to the country in question and lives and works there for a few weeks? Dont know how feasible that would be.


  4. #4
    TC
    TC is offline
    .
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Location
    Melbourne
    Posts
    14,667

    Re: CS "fair crack" Coffee.

    Fantastic idea Andy- Im all for it!

    When you think of the effort required to pick a kilo, let alone process it, I think its the least we could do to say thank you.

    2mcm

  5. #5
    mwatt
    Guest

    Re: CS "fair crack" Coffee.

    Sounds like a great idea.

    Out of curiosity, Andy, how many kg of coffee do CSers go through each bean bay?

  6. #6
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Posts
    703

    Re: CS "fair crack" Coffee.

    Sounds like something that is well worth pursuing.

    Regards
    Bullitt

  7. #7
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Posts
    333

    Re: CS "fair crack" Coffee.

    This, or something along these lines, is a great idea and is a step towards recognizing our responsibilities as end-of-the-line coffee crop consumers. Perhaps we could start with projects that are discrete (ie finite) but have long term benefits (e.g. physical infrastructure). With defined projects theres always the possibility of getting other agencies on board to match our contribution (dollar for dollar or 2-for-1). Itd be important to find out from the communities involved what their needs and priorities are.

    Alongside this, would it be possible to develop relationships with the coffee-growers directly so that CoffeeSnobs could buy green directly from them and they could get more for their efforts?

    Cheers,

    Rob

  8. #8
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Posts
    1,588

    Re: CS "fair crack" Coffee.

    You know my feelings on this already Andy.

    Having thought a little more - it would be really great to sponsor a particular coffee growing community. This would enable benefits to flow both ways as we could help them financially and in improving the marketability of their product. We could also identify specific development needs they may have, both in terms of the coffee business and their communityand assist by linking them with organisations who can assist with the community development end of things.

    In return we would get a steadily improving crop of coffee and at a price still within the reach of even the most penny-pinching snob.

    With over 2000 snobs it wont take to much effort to make a really significant difference.

  9. #9
    Super Moderator Javaphile's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    Earth!
    Posts
    14,243

    Re: CS "fair crack" Coffee.

    I think this is a great idea. With the amount of beans now passing through our hands every BeanBay a 50 cent per kilo Warm and Fuzzy surcharge would yield enough for some serious projects to be considered.

    From my readings of people and organizations who deal with this type of thing for small scale help the most commonly sought after donations are school and health materials such as paper, pencils, athletic supplies, eyeglasses, simple medicines and first aid supplies.

    Frequently sought after larger social projects include such things as sponsoring a free monthly medical clinic, building a school or other community structure, putting in a well, installing a telephone and/or internet link and hiring a teacher.

    On the coffee side the broad catagories I can think of right off-hand would be we can help increase production, quality, and profits. This can be done from a small plantation level all the way up to as high as we want to go and are willing/able to finance.

    Projects can include such things as enlarging a drying area, building, improving, or enlarging a processing facility, increasing the number/quality of trees, or buying direct from the farmer(s).

    Some of this can be done with education and training while some can be done purely by paying for local labor, while still others will require the purchase of materials/equipment.

    Cutting out admin overheads I think would mean wed have to cut out the middlemen as theres not going to be much admin overhead at the small plantation level. To cut out the middlemen I think wed either have to organize a group of small plantations into something along the lines of a cooperative to get their volume up or act as middleman/buyer/importer ourselves.

    Some questions that might help focus what we want to accomplish are:

    • Do we want to provide general social help or something directly related to coffee?
    • Do we want to provide short term immediate help or a long term sustainable solution?
    • How big a project do we want to tackle?



    Java "Things that make you go hhhmmmm..." phile

  10. #10
    Super Moderator Javaphile's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    Earth!
    Posts
    14,243

    Re: CS "fair crack" Coffee.

    Quote Originally Posted by mwatt link=1173409950/0#5 date=1173411779
    Sounds like a great idea.

    Out of curiosity, Andy, how many kg of coffee do CSers go through each bean bay?
    As I recall the last Id heard we were up around a tonne. :)


    Java "And dats some Pile O Beans!" phile

  11. #11
    Sleep is overrated Thundergod's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    Sydney
    Posts
    10,494

    Re: CS "fair crack" Coffee.

    Quote Originally Posted by Javaphile link=1173409950/0#9 date=1173421666
    Warm and Fuzzy
    Thats "warm and fuzzy wuzzy", emphasis on the "fuzzy wuzzy".

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuzzy_wuzzy_angels

  12. #12
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Posts
    203

    Re: CS "fair crack" Coffee.

    Id certainly be up for a bean bay tax to help some coffee farmers somewhere.

    I am also involved in an organisation that builds homes, schools and clinics for Aids orphans in Uganda. They are looking at starting a coffee plantation (when they find a horticulturalist who is willing to move to Uganda for a while) as a means of self sufficient funding, since almost all of their funding comes from "western" sponsorships at present. Im not suggesting the bean bay tax go towards this, but its an example of where coffee profits, what little there is for farmers, will be used for greater good!

  13. #13
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Posts
    397

    Re: CS "fair crack" Coffee.

    Great idea Andy, good to read all the posts.

    There are similar ideas around in other fields, for example, "bank" ideas which contribute the percentage, whatever it is, to a pot which is available for interest free loans for start up businesses in developing/struggling economies.

    I know you are questioning the admin side of things but whatever system is decided upon will need some kind of admin. In order to align whatever idea we come up with to a lack of admin would mean a straight donation kind of approach so that there are minimal layers and perhaps a committee like our CS Moderators make a decision each BeanBay about the cause/individual/concern as to the recipient/s. Obviously there needs to be transparency and accountability with the system.

    As soon as people have to apply, you guessed it, admin!

    I would like to suggest that for those who want to contribute there be a sliding scale incorporated into BeanBay.

    By this I mean, CSs can buy their green beans as they do now. Others may choose to contribute a percentage of their purchase, on a scale of 1 to 10 percent with an option to increase if desired. For example, I may want one month to contribute 20% on top of my purchase.

    This shouldnt be too hard to incorporate into your existing software. (I know, easy for me to say!)

    Hopefully this all makes sense, in summary:

    Great idea, optional rather prescribed, sliding scale for CSs to choose, Moderators to choose recipients on a donation basis.

  14. #14
    Sleep is overrated Thundergod's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    Sydney
    Posts
    10,494

    Re: CS "fair crack" Coffee.

    I found the site I mentioned.
    kiva.org

    You can read about them here: http://www.kiva.org/about
    or on their MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/kivaloans

    Not much by way of coffee growers; a lot of cafes though.

    I did find a couple of ladies who have already received the funds they requested.
    You can read about them here: http://www.kiva.org/app.php?page=businesses&action=about&id=989
    and here: http://www.kiva.org/app.php?page=businesses&action=about&id=988

    Another lady grows coffee and her twice yearly harvests bring in $80 each time but shes right with that and needed money for a new goat.

    A lot of the people are women. Plenty of widows too.
    All the stories read of honourable people, a lot of them struggling to survive on a daily basis.
    It makes you appreciate more the things you have, not just material things.

    Anyway, Ive read all the profiles with "coffee" in the search results and currently no one their needs us in regards to supporting a coffee business.



  15. #15
    CoffeeSnobs Owner Andy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Location
    Internet
    Posts
    15,539
    Blog Entries
    1

    Re: CS "fair crack" Coffee.

    Good the see plenty of interest and ideas coming forward for what was just a back of the head concept for the last dozen months. Yes, currently we average around the tonne each month so at 0.50c a kilo we are talking about a potential $6000 per year (and growing).

    While $6000 wont change the world it sure could make a big difference to a small coffee community.

    so many of the coffees come from countries that have been devastated in one way or another
    For sure. Often our very best and most interesting coffee comes from places that most of us would never want to go to and certainly would never want to work for their wages or political state. We can’t fix it all but I’m sure we are big enough (both in size and compassion) to start by improving a little corner somewhere.

    …does not have to be a plantation that we necessarily buy coffee from?
    For sure. If their coffee is already in our market then it is fairly safe to say that they at least have the potential to improve their farming methods and their crop to demand a higher price from the buyers. If we are talking about a small plantations that produce a passionate coffee but cannot get it to market or cannot process it economically then our donations could make a real difference to their lives.

    CoffeeSnobs farmstay?
    That would be fun! Options like that might be a way of a small plantation diversifying via tourism. There are plenty of people doing “coffee tours” currently but I doubt much of the money ends-up at the farm, a farm stay would fix that.

    When you think of the effort required to pick a kilo, let alone process it, I think its the least we could do to say thank you.
    For sure. Strong marketing from charities always pulls on the heart strings but can often leave a stale taste when you see good money get squandered. I see this as chance for us to “design” a good system that would be hard to debunk.

    a step towards recognizing our responsibilities as end-of-the-line coffee crop consumers.
    Nicely put.

    Itd be important to find out from the communities involved what their needs and priorities are
    For sure. I expect that a co-op of small farm holders would have a long wishlist and they would be able to set the priorities far better than us.

    We could also identify specific development needs they may have, both in terms of the coffee business and their community and assist by linking them with organisations who can assist with the community development end of things.
    For sure. Its not just about CS’rs money, there is a lot that we can offer as a large and varied group that can help the changes.


    Javaphile’s post plants some good ideas…

    commonly sought after donations are school and health materials such as paper, pencils, athletic supplies, eyeglasses, simple medicines and first aid supplies.
    All very worthy and necessary items.

    Frequently sought after larger social projects include such things as sponsoring a free monthly medical clinic, building a school or other community structure, putting in a well, installing a telephone and/or internet link and hiring a teacher.

    These look like some good targets too. The idea of a Telephone/Internet Link seems strangely appropriate for CS to sponsor.

    Do we want to provide general social help or something directly related to coffee?
    Not sure. The two go hand in hand. Happy and healthy had to flow over into product.

    Do we want to provide short term immediate help or a long term sustainable solution?
    Sustainable is always a better target.

    How big a project do we want to tackle?
    I think “baby steps” to start with so we can reach the goals… and then reset the goal posts further away.


    Great idea, optional rather prescribed, sliding scale for CSs to choose, Moderators to choose recipients on a donation basis.
    Maybe a sliding scale… maybe optional… I sort of like the idea that as a group we could all provide a percentage of spend to go back to an agreed good cause.

    Moderator committee with member input makes good sense.


    Its great to see so many passionate and thoughtful posts in such a short time. I’m sure we can do something good here.


  16. #16
    Sleep is overrated Thundergod's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    Sydney
    Posts
    10,494

    Re: CS "fair crack" Coffee.

    On the last point, I would suggest Andy that you make a decision on a percentage of sales,
    say the 0.50c per kilo already mentioned, and that be it.

    You could then advertise that fact.
    "0.50c per kilo of all sales go towards the CS Sponsorship Program" or whatever you decide to call it.

    Like one all year round McHappyday.

    McSnobs - Our name says it all.

  17. #17
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Posts
    802

    Re: CS "fair crack" Coffee.

    I agree with Thundergod. An extra 0.50 per kilo isnt that much, and for what we are hoping to do, $6000 isnt a huge sum either. If it was set as an optional thing, I would foresee contributions slipping a little after the first month, and at no time being the $500 per month estimated now. Its too easy to say "Ive got bills to pay, Ill leave it until next month."

    While rowdee certainly has a valid idea there, my feeling is that plenty of members have indicated willingness to pay the 0.50 per kilo in a short period of time, just go that way.

  18. #18
    Senior Member Dennis's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Posts
    4,512

    Re: CS "fair crack" Coffee.

    With respect to all the experienced CS - though Im quite new here, it seems a good idea to simply have an arbitrary increase. Until I came here I had no idea of the mark up charged at retail outlets - so this seems like a very modest thankyou

  19. #19
    Mal Dimal's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Location
    Warwick, QLD
    Posts
    15,541

    Re: CS "fair crack" Coffee.

    From my perspective at least,

    I would be happy to donate the equivalent "nominal unit value" of 1.0Kg of coffee per month, and maybe two units when I can afford it. It will in no way cause me any financial hardship, even though my only income is the pension and after all, its only a monthly donation. Also gives me the flexibility to donate more when thats possible. Im sure a lot of other members would be happy to donate along similar lines if a simple means could be designed for actioning it, probably in the same way we donated towards Grendels cause last month.... That seemed to work pretty well.

    I guess the donation side of the equation is the easy bit anyway and the real work will be on the management side and I have absolutely no idea how this could be done in a practical way without someone to administer the funds "on the ground" per sè. I guess other members will have a better idea as to how this might be managed.

    Mal.

  20. #20
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Posts
    1,673

    Re: CS "fair crack" Coffee.

    Like Mal, our family is on a low income at present and to me an extra 50c or even $1 per kilo is manageable - and saves the embarrassment/guilt of not being able to donate once or twice over the year.

    A flat rate like this plus the option to donate extra when possible would be great so that people will be able to make some sort of contribution each month.

    As for farm stay, many years ago I shared a house with a guy who stayed on a plantation in South America somewhere and spent a season picking coffee. It was some sort of working holiday/charity worker type scenario. I do not remember the details but I do know that it was possible about twenty years ago.

  21. #21
    Super Moderator Javaphile's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    Earth!
    Posts
    14,243

    Re: CS "fair crack" Coffee.

    I like the idea of a flat tax of 50 cents per kilo with a button for an additional donation amount.


    Java "This is a great idea!" phile

  22. #22
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Posts
    1,588

    Re: CS "fair crack" Coffee.

    $6000 can be made to spread a long way in a developing community.

    Ideally it would be good to be able to identify what (if any) other development projects are ongoing in the community and how best to compliment those. For example a wireless internet connection for the community would be brilliant if there were computers to access it - I am not sure yet if East Timor has signed on to the One Laptop per Child (OLPC) program.

    Given that there is the likelihood of at least some other development work going on, our additional $$ can have potentially a huge impact. I really like the idea of being able to link the community with the world, but acknowledge that they may prefer a roof that doesnt leak or clean water as a priority!

    As Andy said though sustainability is the key - and Id prefer to look at what we are planning as ongoing assistance rather than emergency aid so some strategic planning about initial objectives and long term outcomes would be helpful.

    The diversity of skill sets amoung the Snob community means that we may also have access to unique areas of knowledge - with a focus on coffee that will assist a community in acheiving some consistent economic stability.

    Within the broader context of East Timor and the challenges currently facing them as a nation there is less we can do, but I like the idea of a levy on our coffee because it then does not make the community dependant on a sale and transportation of coffee for the assistance we will provide. That might come about as a future development, but it is refreshing to see that everyone is supportive of a planned from-the-ground-up approach.


  23. #23
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    Perth, Western Australia, Australia
    Posts
    791

    Re: CS "fair crack" Coffee.

    Quote Originally Posted by Javaphile link=1173409950/15#21 date=1173462554
    I like the idea of a flat tax of 50 cents per kilo with a button for an additional donation amount.
    Count me in for this option too.
    Great Idea.

  24. #24
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Posts
    397

    Re: CS "fair crack" Coffee.

    Gee it is inspiring to read the level of commitment and involvement of/from our little virtual community.

    While I was renovating my pantry yesterday I was thinking some more about this project and would like to regurgitate some thoughts.

    1. Andy, you are Beanbay, and while it is great that you involve us by getting our ideas and commitment, you can from March/April simply up the prices by whatever you want to contribute to causes/needs around the world.

    2. From an admin viewpoint, the inbuilt "tax", would be far easier to implement. Beans are $9.50 per kilo, $0.50 from every kilo goes to the cause.

    3. I would rather we came up with a better word than "tax" because of negative perceptions, maybe "CS Commitment" or something equally esoteric. Why dont you run another competition for a naming?

    4. I still like the idea of an optional additional donation amount. Many of us have windfalls from time to time that we look to use to help others and if we see a button for an optional donation when we order our beans we may use it. I know it will not be necessarily a huge amount, but in this situation everything helps.

    5. Philosophically I like the idea of the amount being directed back to coffee related enterprise, need. As you and others have said, we are benefitting from the work of others, it is good to give something back without a middle person being involved.

    My head is hurting and I need to go shopping to fill my pantry.

  25. #25
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Posts
    397

    Re: CS "fair crack" Coffee.

    While out shopping I was telling my partner about "fair crack" and she suggested we sponsor a monkey that "sh*ts" coffee beans.

    I had of course previously told her about the bargain buy on Kopi Luwak. ;D ;D

  26. #26
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2004
    Posts
    16

    Re: CS "fair crack" Coffee.

    "I like the idea of a flat tax of 50 cents per kilo with a button for an additional donation amount. "

    Id be happy to pay an additional 50c per kg. Wonderful idea, Andy.

  27. #27
    Senior Member julsajet's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Posts
    200

    Re: CS "fair crack" Coffee.

    This is such a great idea.

    I always feel really horrible when I read how little money actually makes it back to the coffee growers.

    I LOVE coffee. So anything that can help the growers is a good thing - whether directly to the grower or to the communities they live in.

    The 50c coffeesnobs beanbay benefit/bestowal? will hardly register on the hip pocket and the donation button will enable us to do more when we are able.

    I was kinda hoping something like this would come along.

    Juls

  28. #28
    Sleep is overrated Thundergod's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    Sydney
    Posts
    10,494

    Re: CS "fair crack" Coffee.

    Quote Originally Posted by Julsajet link=1173409950/15#28 date=1173589011
    coffeesnobs beanbay benefit/bestowal?
    I was going to leave my name suggestion until any contest was announced, but just in case one is, and as Julsajet has already posted their idea, my suggestion would be "Coffee Snobs Aid Levy (CSAL - pronounced see-sal)".

    I pledge to donate 50 cents per kilo of any prizes I win to the cause (I already have a very heavy grinder and machine but wouldnt say no to say a new Synesso (what do they weigh?)).

  29. #29
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Posts
    1,881

    Re: CS "fair crack" Coffee.

    Quote Originally Posted by Andy Freeman link=1173409950/15#15 date=1173444073
    I think “baby steps” to start with so we can reach the goals… and then reset the goal posts further away.
    We should start ASAP by funding something worthy thats easy to donate to and that provides tangible results. Perhaps the best way to do this would be to get people to go do their own sleuthing, fish up a project or two, then run a poll either before or during the next bean bay.

    Id nominate this project, which aims to get radios to Rwandan coffee farmers. Using these radios, coffee farmers are able to keep abreast of when to harvest, what prices they should be demanding and, generally, what they should be doing to create a great crop and get top dollar for it. Seems to me that communication networks are pretty fundamental to any economy. From our point of view, one of the nice things about it is that the donations are broken down into discrete $65USD units per radio. Each radio helps out about 100 farmers, so it would be a very cost-effective way to create a tangible, although perhaps not massive, difference for a lot of people. However, the project doesnt seem to have gotten much funding yet, so wed need to check up that its still running and worthwhile.

    In future, it would be very cool to adopt a farm and have a CS-select crop grown especially for us.

    Cheers,

    Luca

  30. #30
    Senior Member julsajet's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Posts
    200

    Re: CS "fair crack" Coffee.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thundergod link=1173409950/15#29 date=1173590903
    as Julsajet has already posted their idea
    Hey, I couldnt help myself *;D

  31. #31
    Super Moderator Javaphile's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    Earth!
    Posts
    14,243

    Re: CS "fair crack" Coffee.

    The Warm & Fuzzy Fund. :)


    Java "Gotta love a good project!" phile

  32. #32
    Sleep is overrated Thundergod's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    Sydney
    Posts
    10,494

    Re: CS "fair crack" Coffee.

    Fuzzy Wuzzy!

  33. #33
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Posts
    397

    Re: CS "fair crack" Coffee.

    Love the ideas of the radios Luca!

  34. #34
    Senior Member julsajet's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Posts
    200

    Re: CS "fair crack" Coffee.

    Are they those wind up radios ie: no batteries?

  35. #35
    Sleep is overrated Thundergod's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    Sydney
    Posts
    10,494

    Re: CS "fair crack" Coffee.

    I was surprised to see that you can opt to donate $36000 for over 500 radios to help over 50,000 coffee farmers.

    50,000!!? Does everyone in Rwanda grow coffee?

  36. #36
    CoffeeSnobs Owner Andy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Location
    Internet
    Posts
    15,539
    Blog Entries
    1

    Re: CS "fair crack" Coffee.


    The radio project is a great idea Luca, the only "gotcha" I can see is that they have a target of $36000 and we would need to know if smaller donations get radios to the farmers before the total project target is reached. Worth following though.



    Quote Originally Posted by Thundergod
    I pledge to donate 50 cents per kilo of any prizes I win to the cause (I already have a very heavy grinder and machine but wouldnt say no to say a new Synesso (what do they weigh?)).
    ...and the winner of the truckload of rocks and building rubble is... wait for it... Thundergod!
    The semi-trailer should unload your prize in your front yard sometime this week.

    ...back on topic...

    It appears that the 0.50c "Fair Crack, give something back" fund is going to happen. Great stuff!

    So as it stands, all beans sold through the Beanbay will have 0.50c per kilo component that will go into a fund for distribution to coffee community projects.

    We will also have a button in BeanBay that will facilitate a direct donation of variable value without the need to buy beans.

    Ill aim to get a live counter on the site that will show the current pool amount, the spent amount and the total raised to date with a link to a (locked thread) that will show which projects we have helped.

    Cool.


  37. #37
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Posts
    802

    Re: CS "fair crack" Coffee.

    Wow, that was fast. Nice work. :)

  38. #38
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Posts
    397

    Re: CS "fair crack" Coffee.

    Fantastic Andy! [smiley=tekst-toppie.gif]

  39. #39
    Sleep is overrated Thundergod's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    Sydney
    Posts
    10,494

    Re: CS "fair crack" Coffee.

    [QUOTE=Andy Freeman link=1173409950/30#37 date=1173665333]
    Quote Originally Posted by Thundergod
    I pledge to donate 50 cents per kilo of any prizes I win to the cause (I already have a very heavy grinder and machine but wouldnt say no to say a new Synesso (what do they weigh?)).


    ...and the winner of the truckload of rocks and building rubble is... wait for it... Thundergod!
    The semi-trailer should unload your prize in your front yard sometime this week.
    ;D
    Touche!
    I should have seen that coming.


    Good work so far Andy.

  40. #40
    Flo
    Flo is offline
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Posts
    330

    Re: CS "fair crack" Coffee.

    Its great to see the level of support for this initiative. One thing I would say is that dont underestimate the amount of work that it will take to keep on top of it. I have had the blessing to have met many people worldwide, who work for various aid/community development organisations and it is no small task that we endeavour to undertake.

    My father-in-law founded a micro enterprise development organisation here in Australia some 30 years ago; the aim being job creation in the third world as a means of delivering people out of poverty by encouraging small business and entrepreneurship. The result is not limited to the individual but impacts whole communities.

    I have heard it said: "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day, but teach him how to fish and you feed him for a lifetime." When you see this in action it is awesome!

    Obviously, we are not doing anything large scale (yet) but every little bit helps.

    I think there needs to be definite parameters and goals set so that the focus is maintained.

    Will there be any consultation with existing organisations to ensure that we are not reinventing the wheel?

    Lastly, please dont call this donation/contribution a "tax". This has somewhat negative connotations (for me at least). We get "taxed" enough AFAIC.

  41. #41
    CoffeeSnobs Owner Andy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Location
    Internet
    Posts
    15,539
    Blog Entries
    1

    Re: CS "fair crack" Coffee.

    no tax no tax no tax no tax....
    the word has been dropped, was already dropped, is still dropped!
    May this be the last time that I ever type the word tax without "no" before it.
    ;)
    Boy, some people here must be over t@xed.
    :)

    It appears that the 0.50c "Fair Crack, give something back" fund is going to happen. Great stuff!

  42. #42
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Posts
    1,562

    Re: CS "fair crack" Coffee.

    Quote Originally Posted by Andy Freeman link=1173409950/30#42 date=1173708179
    no tax no tax no tax no tax....
    the word has been dropped, was already dropped, is still dropped!
    May this be the last time that I ever type the word tax without "no" before it.
    ;)
    Boy, some people here must be over t@xed.
    :)

    It appears that the 0.50c "Fair Crack, give something back" fund is going to happen. Great stuff!
    Andy, Tax in NSW is a very naughty and negative word... Flo and I are residents in this state and the Tax in this state is appauling >:(
    So you could say some people here must be over t@xed ... :-)

    But that aside, this is a fantastic initiative - bravo indeed!! Good work Andy :-)

  43. #43
    Senior Member Lizzie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    Bridport, Tas
    Posts
    1,148

    Re: CS "fair crack" Coffee.



    Congratulations, Andy, on a well perceived need, a well developed plan and a fast executed

    solution!



    "you-sa top-bean, mah man...." ::) ;)

  44. #44
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Posts
    1,673

    Re: CS "fair crack" Coffee.

    Quote Originally Posted by marcstolk link=1173409950/30#43 date=1173739185
    Quote Originally Posted by Andy Freeman link=1173409950/30#42 date=1173708179
    no tax no tax no tax no tax....
    the word has been dropped, was already dropped, is still dropped!
    May this be the last time that I ever type the word tax without "no" before it.
    ;)
    Boy, some people here must be over t@xed.
    :)

    It appears that the 0.50c "Fair Crack, give something back" fund is going to happen. *Great stuff!
    Andy, Tax in NSW is a very naughty and negative word... Flo and I are residents in this state and the Tax in this state is appauling * >:(
    So you could say some people here must be over t@xed ... *:-)

    But that aside, this is a fantastic initiative - bravo indeed!! Good work Andy *:-)

    Hmmf cant be as bad as the electricity costs in SA... I could buy a Gene cafe with what my most recent bill was.

    Roll on winter and cheap firewood.

  45. #45
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    185

    Re: CS "fair crack" Coffee.

    Awesome work ;D fantastic idea

  46. #46
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    121

    Re: CS "fair crack" Coffee.

    I was proofing an assignment for gf who is a regd nurse working in neonatal doing a postgrad midwifery course. The unit was Research and Evaluation in International Health, her assignment was study of research done to promote awareness of antinatal care and pregnancy issues in several regions of Guatemala with the highest live birth mortality rate.

    Well one of the methods they used for increasing awareness was radio broadcasts. A critique of the research was that nobody knew the ownership/use rate of radios, or the demographics of those who did matched the target groups who had the high live birth mortalities.

    How do I tie this into coffee? I thought of the program someone discussed earlier to supply radios to growers. If Fair Crack was directed to that cause, and if real needy people actually did get something useful, then there may be indirect benefits such as the other information from radio broadcasts, like health broadcasts, weather, sport, propoganda news and talkback jockeys inciting violence etc. I guess it just rapidly declines beyond the weather!

  47. #47
    Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Posts
    64

    Re: CS "fair crack" Coffee.

    Folks,
    I wanted to add my support of this. I find it tremendously encouraging that there are folks like Andy who are able to lead people in good directions.

    I was at Macro Wholefoods the other day, and saw that the table numbers at their cafe are actually piggy banks. Rather than tipping, you donate to their charity of the month. This got me thinking, that rather than saving up for the all-singing, all-dancing project, a good way for the fair crack partners to participate would be to perhaps give to a variety of charities that could be nominated and perhaps selected via a poll. It seems to me that sites like Kiva.org and GlobalGiving would perhaps be a good way to facilitate this. This way, we could give regularly to a variety of projects.

    Its always hard to choose how to help, and obviously there will be a desire to choose something where as much of the donated money as possible sees the hands of the needy. The flip side is that these organizations also need funds in order to operate, get visas etc to help folks out, and by doing so, can help many more people. Helping organizations like this out isnt a bad way to spend charity dollars either.

    Once again, well done everyone (and Andy) for working hard at this.

  48. #48
    CoffeeSnobs Owner Andy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Location
    Internet
    Posts
    15,539
    Blog Entries
    1

    Re: CS "fair crack" Coffee.

    I have been going to post in this thread for a while now, thanks for the nudge Michelle.

    FairCrack has just turned 1 year old and in that time the CS community has raised nearly...
    (insert long and impressive drum doll here)

    $7500

    Great effort guys and gals!

    Now we need to source some good projects. I have had contact with 5 different people who might have had a good project that we could support but each of them has had a "gotcha" that I didnt like. Two of them had hidden management fees, another couldnt provide a financial statement and two of them just didnt get back to me.
    **sigh**

    I do know of a future project that would be perfect, sample roasters for small holder farms and co-ops. It would empower the farmer to better understand what farming methods work and what should be avioded. With a little cupping training they could then see a financial gain from producing better coffee as opposed to just producing greater quantity. Its a great project with wins for the farmer and CoffeeSnobs everywhere. While I know who to talk to on the ground it just isnt ready to "go live" yet (but will be one day).

    So... if anyone knows of a suitable project let me know.

    You can see the FairCrack total in:
    http://beanbay.coffeesnobs.com.au/FairCrack.aspx
    (and, FYI, it does have its own bank account so I dont spend it!)

  49. #49
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Posts
    466

    Re: CS "fair crack" Coffee.

    You can find the FairCrack stats by going to the bean bay and clicking on the FairCrack stats button at the top (the bar with My basket, browse beans etc.) :)

  50. #50
    Sleep is overrated Thundergod's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    Sydney
    Posts
    10,494

    Re: CS "fair crack" Coffee.

    Thanks MM.

    Just a slight difference in the url:

    http://beanbay.coffeesnobs.com.au/FairCrack.aspx

Page 1 of 2 1 2 LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. "Cuppers", "Baristas" and two ends of the beast ...
    By luca in forum General Coffee Related...
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 6th September 2009, 01:03 PM
  2. ASCASO "I MINI" or "ROCKY"
    By bally in forum Grinders
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: 10th June 2009, 09:27 PM
  3. "Black" OR "Chrome Professional Grinder"
    By trumboli in forum Grinders
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 27th January 2008, 11:52 PM
  4. Suggestions for "Interesting" or "Bright" beans?
    By NewToEspresso in forum Cup Tasting Room
    Replies: 16
    Last Post: 9th January 2008, 01:30 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •