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    Duel fuel coffee machines in Australia

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    I'm a newbie to posting but have been reading many posts on here with interest. I am moving to australia in October of this year and want to get started on setting up a mobile coffee van business. At the minute I am thinking of moving to Newcastle NSW although it may end up being somewhere else in NSW.

    So far I have contacted a supplier of the piaggio ape vans and want to use them for my business. I am looking at dual fuel machines and the one that pops up a lot is the fracino brand.

    There appears to only be one supplier of the fracino machines in aus...in Queensland.
    I was wondering if anyone knew of any other suppliers of the fracino dual fuel machines in Australia as the ones I have seen have a significant mark up on the UK cost.

    Also, does anyone have suggestions of alternative dual fuel coffee machines that have been in a similar situation to me I.e. mobile coffee gas.

    Sorry for the long post and thanks for responding!

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    Re. dual fuel machines. I noticed ( on a google search, some 6 months ago) that the Diamond brand, sold for a very reasonable price by a distributor in Queensland, to be a good buy.

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    Thanks Ron
    I will check them out.

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    Also have been looking around recently for some gas powered machines and have run into the same problem as yourself. Unfortunately there isn't a great deal of these machines in Australia (or so it seems) compared to other countries. I've heard the Izzo Pompei can be run on gas but that is more expensive than the Fracino's. I haven't had any luck tracking down a distributor in Australia but the Wega Nova Ale and the Astoria Rapallo look like they can also be run off gas too. Best of luck!

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    Thanks jpa...yes its a strange one. Given the coffee pedigree of Australia I sort of expected a wide choice of suppliers but that doesn't seem to be the case. Tempted to buy a machine in England but the fiancee has warned me of getting caught with a tax bill when bringing it into aus. I will keep on looking but will also look into Sega and Astoria...although the fracino seems to fit the bill perfectly!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gareth_s View Post
    Tempted to buy a machine in England but the fiancee has warned me of getting caught with a tax bill when bringing it into aus.
    Personally, I would seriously consider the option of buying a machine in the EU and bringing it with you. Do your research by checking the relevant Australian Government Websites such as Australia Customs unaccompanied effects and http://www.customs.gov.au/webdata/re...tionalMail.pdf. If you are moving to Australia and bringing your effects with you, then you may not pay any duties or taxes for certain goods (but again you need to check for your personal circumstances). When I returned to Australia from the EU, I brought a number of espresso machines with me (all 2nd hand) and I wasn't required to pay any duties or taxes on them. Even with new items there are concessions for those valued at less than certain amounts. There is also some concession for items you have owned for longer than 6 to 12 months (depending on type of item).

    Regarding your duel fuel question, have you considered vintage machines such as Faema E61, Faema Lambro, etc (which would suit your Piaggio Ape perfectly)? If you know where to look, then these machines are not too hard to find in Europe. I managed to find one of each to bring back with me, and both can run on gas as well as 240V.

    Good luck

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    Really helpful, it actually doesn't look as bad as I thought. I can bring the machine over but will be liable for tax although the price differences are big enough to make that work.I looked at the faema machines at first but discounted them as I could not find them easily in aus but I will take another look at them as they are cracking machines!

    Thanks for the advice.

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    There is a general difficulty with LPG powered machines in Australia and I think that is the reason that they are not very common, the issue is that each installation needs an individual gas compliance certificate and they are also different between the individual states. I heard that Francino in Qld is very close in getting an Australian wide certification.

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    Yes- that summarises the difficulties. Victorian installations require Type B certification on site and as such, this would have to be organised after purchase and at additional cost- just as with a gas roaster purchase- so there is no such thing as an Australia wide certification. The purchaser is still responsible for having his/her machine certified. That said, some operators have managed to do it in Melbourne.
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    Will you be using the fuel powered machine for runs or static?

    Does the machine run solely on LPG or both LPG and backup via diesel generator like a Cummins Oman?

    They are more suited for runs or low level static operations.
    If you do a busy static operation on solely LPG, you machine will struggle and the coffee will suffer.

    On runs, you have to turn off the LPG when mobile, then turn on again when arrived at the destination, just a thought you may also consider.

    Positively, they are quiet which is great in some situations.

    Best you have discussions with the company in Brisbane, they will be very helpful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gareth_s View Post
    Really helpful, it actually doesn't look as bad as I thought. I can bring the machine over but will be liable for tax although the price differences are big enough to make that work.I looked at the faema machines at first but discounted them as I could not find them easily in aus but I will take another look at them as they are cracking machines!

    Thanks for the advice.
    In regards to the vintage Faema's, I meant that they are relatively easy to find online being sold in Italy (they're not so readily available in Aus). So you may be able to buy one out of Italy and bring it with you.

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    thanks for comments. I am looking at having a static van providing the coffee although I will be looking at driving the van to the various spots i will be operating from so I was looking to have a dual fuel machine with a back up generator to ensure continual working wherever I am located.

    Helpful to know about the gas certificates, its something i have not thought about in detail. I am looking at working in NSW only so I will need to look into the requirements for getting this however, given I am looking to operate in NSW only, hopefully this is not going to be a significant issue.

    On the Faema, I have looked further at these machines however i now feel I need to think more about the setup of any dual fuel machine before committing to any machine.

    Thanks

    Gareth

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    here is some good news for you and any others who want to use gas powered machines.
    Fracino LPG Coffee Machine Achieves Australian Certification!
    That will make it hopefully cheaper as well

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    Awesome, great news!

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    You wouldn't think it's a big job to certifiy what is in fact little more than a 1 burner BBQ. Australia- making big things out of small...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
    You wouldn't think it's a big job to certifiy what is in fact little more than a 1 burner BBQ. Australia- making big things out of small...
    Especially something that is already certified in Europe !
    Are all those barbeques burning snags at the kids footy matches an Sat mornings , and corn fritters at the markets, certified ?
    .. i wonder how many gas barbie's are connected and fired up every weekend with never a thought for perished pipes and corroded burners etc.??

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    Just a word of warning re importing your own machine, getting compliance on the gas it a tuff gig. I had similar issues, I have an Astoria lever gas machine in the UK but went Fracino here in the end. If you go gas here they certainly know there stuff, but you are right, over priced compared to UK. More than offsetting NADA cost and shipping I reckon!? Having said that, look at other imports from Europe, cars? Way cheaper in the UK! I also looked into importing Fracino's. Referred to Fracino Australia, aka CMS Queensland. They have it sewn up for now. Good luck though!

    compliance is less of an issue if you intend to be a one man band, it's when you start employing or franchising you may have issues.

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    I managed it, but Australia wide compliance makes it much easier! It's not just the machine however, it's the entire fit out that needs signing off by a qualified gas fitter. And if they haven't seen it, don't know about it, they don't like to sign on it!

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    Hi Gareth, could I bother you to ask which dealership you are purchasing your Ape please?

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rjmac View Post
    Hi Gareth, could I bother you to ask which dealership you are purchasing your Ape please?

    Cheers
    Apelino are the only ones bringing the Piaggio Ape into Australia. Apelino Pty Ltd info@apelino.com.au

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    Hello! New member here

    Im also looking at the Fracino LPG for a new little food caravan in VIC - Selling coffee and homemade fudge

    Any updates on importing it from UK? Ive got a quote from a UK supplier and its about 2k less than getting from QLD (assuming that i dont need to pay VAT?)

    Thankyou

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    Fudge, did you take into account local GST and customs fees (you still pay local gst)?

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    Behmor Brazen - $249 - Free Freight
    Quote Originally Posted by 338 View Post
    Fudge, did you take into account local GST and customs fees (you still pay local gst)?
    Yep

    Got quoted 2350 (semi auto) or 2750 (electronic) + 310 GBP shipping - i read somewhere that the custom fees are about 5% plus the local 10% gst

    Though depending on what it would cost for getting the plug switched over and the gas certification - it may dwindle the savings down

    Edit : i did my sums on the Semi Auto rather than the Electronic which is what Fracino Aus offers
    Still save 1k but not sure if thats worth the savings

    Other query is - is the fully electronic pre-programmed one worth the extra $?
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