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    Quote Originally Posted by chokkidog View Post
    Is a hand built ss coffee machine with turned wooden handle fittings worth

    more than a plastic, press moulded robot assembled appliance coffee maker?

    Lots of things come into play, not the least the costs of producing low volumes of very well made products. :-D
    Amen to that! Do they do a better job? A poor tradesman blames his tools. But it does feel really good to get out of bed and look at my SS coffee machine with custom turned wooden handles waiting for me.

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    Show me your Tamper ;)

    Fit and feel are the most important elements IMO. Just because a tamper is more expensive doesn't mean it's guaranteed to suit everyone, they're a very personal thing. The tamper pictured below is a perfect example. I wanted something to fit the naked ROK Presso PF that I bought for my Bialetti. A bit of research found that there was little to be found without spending lots of money. Groundhog here in NZ make one specifically to fit the Presso PF, but it's more $$ than what I'd spent on the whole machine so I gave it a miss. I waited patiently and eventually scored a beaten up old aluminium one on Trade Me for $20. I then gave it to my mate along with the Presso filter basket and he turned the whole thing on a lathe to tidy it up, flatten the base and give a perfect fit in the basket. As its a fairly small, lightweight PF having a slightly lighter tamper is ideal.



    Kept at work for use with this machine:



    Which produces shots like this:


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    Quote Originally Posted by K_Bean_Coffee View Post
    Yep. Function is one part of the tamper. Look, feel, etc is another part - this can't be quantified.
    Yes defiantly agree with you here K Bean in regards to function, a friend bought a espresso machine and was using the plastic tamper that came with it and just thought that was the way it was until I went to his place with my vst basket and Pullman tamper and pulled some shots and he couldn't believe the difference.
    I think that's the beauty of coffee you think its all good until you get some thing different or some one shows you some think different, all ways learning!.

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    What i found out myself recently, a tamper is just a tool. Some people could tamp coffee with 20c coin and get better result than a person with 180$ tamper.

    It is nothing more than experience.
    I bought espro calibrated tamper and now i can pull same shot with plastic tamper. For me it doesnt even have to feel right in my hand since i only use it few coffees a day. Where as person making 400 cups you need something that fits right in your hand.

    In saying that i did find espro as a great training tool to be consistent.

    Hardest bit is getting the grind right.
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    [I bought espro calibrated tamper and now i can pull same shot with plastic tamper.
    Looks like you wasted $$, you should of stayed with the plastic fantastic

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    Quote Originally Posted by Logga View Post
    [I bought espro calibrated tamper and now i can pull same shot with plastic tamper.
    Looks like you wasted $$, you should of stayed with the plastic fantastic
    Tell me what you think about plastic spoon vs silver spoon?
    I think silver spool adds alot more flavour myself.
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    These tamper threads are a bit like a case of herpes, they keep recurring, here's a link to one of the better ones started back in 2013, those who take the time to read through it will appreciate the tongue in cheek stuff therein.

    Why are tampers so expensive?

    Somewhere in the thread I posted this, I stand by my opinion, lotsa horse hocky posted about tampers.

    "I get a little annoyed with self proclaimed experts and retailers trying to tout their products telling me (and anyone else gullible enough to listen) that if I don’t use a tamper that fits the basket like a piston in an engine and if it doesn't have an ergonomic, height adjustable handle my coffee is gonna taste like crap and I will be doomed to a life of coffee mediocrity.

    It’s scare tactics and rubbish, they know it but ignorance breeds fear, if you’re a novice, or, if you don’t know and ask questions, the sermons begin, what’s happening of course is these snake oil salesmen are simply drumming up business, you can almost hear em rubbing their hands together.

    Tamp your coffee with a pickle jar lid attached to a 100mm length of broom handle if ya want, it’ll work just fine.

    As a matter of interest I bought a very nice 58 mm Reg Barber tamper 12 years ago, it ain’t a perfect fit in the baskets of any of the 3 machines I have owned over the period but it has done an excellent job on each and every one.

    As Mal says, a 1mm gap is nothing, centre the tamper in the basket and it becomes .50mm, which is absolutely bugger all."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    These tamper threads are a bit like a case of herpes, they keep recurring

    Speaking from experience are we Yelta? I had a laugh😄
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pasic View Post
    Tell me what you think about plastic spoon vs silver spoon?
    I think silver spool adds alot more flavour myself.
    With my friends plastic tamper it didn't fit the basket and there for I saw a pour which started on the out side of the basket and then proceeded to pour into the middle but only started to pour into the middle then straight away started to blonde and thin out, so then we did the same with my basket and tamper and shit it was better.
    Yelta, I know where your coming from but Im talking about a plastic tamper which is way of a tamper your talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pasic View Post
    Tell me what you think about plastic spoon vs silver spoon?
    I think silver spool adds alot more flavour myself.
    F...k the sliver spoon, have you ever tasted the GOLD SPOON, now that is some thing.

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    Do they make spoons out of carbon fibre?

    Or the ultimate, out of unobtainium!

    A tamper that you like the look and feel of makes the coffee making experience enjoyable. If it is well fitting it makes it easier to be more consistent.

    Cheers
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    CF would be the way to go. Gold too heavy.
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    As a matter of interest I bought a very nice 58 mm Reg Barber tamper 12 years ago, it ain’t a perfect fit in the baskets of any of the 3 machines I have owned over the period but it has done an excellent job on each and every one.
    You're correct there Yelta, but with what im talking about and that is the plastic tamper, it mite be a bit off like your ss one but there is the issue of moulding, flex.

    I to have had the same tamper with different machines, but I think a stainless steel tamper tamps better than a plastic fantastic, and this is what I see when I lean down and look up at the portafilter, I just have to keep looking every time, I don't know what that's about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by artman View Post
    Do they make spoons out of carbon fibre?

    Or the ultimate, out of unobtainium!

    A tamper that you like the look and feel of makes the coffee making experience enjoyable. If it is well fitting it makes it easier to be more consistent.

    Cheers
    As I said to K Bean, always learning, now where do I get a unobtainium! tamper from, maybe Ill just make it my self.

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    I can't see how the expensive tampers would do a "better" job as long as you have a flat surface end of the day its just compacting some grinds. Personally purchased a pullman purely for the aesthetics of the timber handle.

    I've preordered one of the push tampers (despite the stupidly overpriced amount), the design is something I think will improve consistency of pressure/evenness of tamping in my setup as I weigh the dose in. Should hopefully let others in the household be a little more confident in making their own coffee's when I'm not around!

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    My preferred weapon:
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    Motta aluminium tamper with 58,4 mm ims base. Snug fit in my filterbasket!
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    Got to thinking about tampers and sizing overnight.

    As an experiment I used my Pullman 53 mm (for LaPavoni) this morning while making coffee in my Bezzera 58 mm basket, that's 5 mm under size, the result? equally as good as I achieve with the 58 mm Reg Barber, the only difference being it took me a little longer with the smaller tamper.

    Does this mean I'll continue to use the 53 in a 58 basket? heck no, the 58 is preferable by far, simply underscoring the fact that it can be done without any real drama.

    Conclusion? its more to do with the tradesman than the tools.

    Will have a hunt for a plastic tamper later and carry out a similar test.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Logga View Post
    With my friends plastic tamper it didn't fit the basket and there for I saw a pour which started on the out side of the basket and then proceeded to pour into the middle but only started to pour into the middle then straight away started to blonde and thin out, so then we did the same with my basket and tamper and shit it was better.
    Yelta, I know where your coming from but Im talking about a plastic tamper which is way of a tamper your talking about.
    Ahh. The plastic tamper that i got with my profitec fits no issues. Its same size as sunbeam one but slighty convex and plastic..

    What the calibrated tamper did teach me was how to better adjust grind. I was getting similar extractions prior but what i was doing wrong, unknow to me was tamping too hard grinding too coarse.

    Once i got the grind right plastic tamper does the same job.
    Heck i could even do a video on it.

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    My bemusement is why plastic tampers always included with a machine... At the wrong size... A tamper designed to fit the porter filter shouldn't be to much to ask especially when your buying a machine worth thousands.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lilTanker View Post
    My bemusement is why plastic tampers always included with a machine... At the wrong size... A tamper designed to fit the porter filter shouldn't be to much to ask especially when your buying a machine worth thousands.
    Yes and no...

    Always good to see something metallic with a machine rather than a plastic one- however, the best tamper is the one that is right for you. The tamper chooses the hand- so to speak.

    I liken it to the perfect kitchen knife. I have a collection which I have purchased over the years- all damn expensive and all worth every cent. One or two always travel with me and I'm thankful that I'll never need to use a $10 supermarket cheapie ever again.

    Invest in the right tamper for you and you will receive a lifetime of satisfaction in return.
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    Oh I get that, I have a tamper that I love and it was like 29 bucks I think picked it up when I got a silvia, just some reason I can't give it up (and I've tried)

    But seriously the one that came with the isomac I had was atrocious, it was about half the size of the porter filter, super thin and bent when pressed on and had an enormous seam running down the middle of it. I tried tamping a shot for shits and giggles.... There was no polishing spin of that one hehe
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    Tends to be a "cheaper" machine thing...

    The biggies are including acceptable (to pretty damn good) OEM well-fitted and machined tampers- Cremina, Izzo, LM and Rocket are a few that we do which readily come to mind...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
    Tends to be a "cheaper" machine thing...

    The biggies are including acceptable (to pretty damn good) OEM well-fitted and machined tampers- Cremina, Izzo, LM and Rocket are a few that we do which readily come to mind...
    Smart move, it really is a let down to buy a $3000 machine, open the carton and find a 20 cent piece of crap provided as a tamper.

    If I were in the business of selling machines it would be a no brainer to make sure the customer walked out with a decent tamper included in the price of the machine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeroyC View Post
    Fit and feel are the most important elements IMO. Just because a tamper is more expensive doesn't mean it's guaranteed to suit everyone, they're a very personal thing. The tamper pictured below is a perfect example. I wanted something to fit the naked ROK Presso PF that I bought for my Bialetti. A bit of research found that there was little to be found without spending lots of money. Groundhog here in NZ make one specifically to fit the Presso PF, but it's more $$ than what I'd spent on the whole machine so I gave it a miss. I waited patiently and eventually scored a beaten up old aluminium one on Trade Me for $20. I then gave it to my mate along with the Presso filter basket and he turned the whole thing on a lathe to tidy it up, flatten the base and give a perfect fit in the basket. As its a fairly small, lightweight PF having a slightly lighter tamper is ideal.



    Kept at work for use with this machine:



    Which produces shots like this:


    I'm envious of your machine Leroy...I never knew bialetti made a espresso machine (that looked like that....only the ones that look like a big stove top). Got a couple of perks

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    Show me your Tamper ;)

    Quote Originally Posted by 3rutu5 View Post
    I'm envious of your machine Leroy...I never knew bialetti made a espresso machine (that looked like that....only the ones that look like a big stove top). Got a couple of perks
    Thanks mate. Yeah I love it. So that we don't derail this thread you can check out more about my experience with it in a thread I started separately. There's even a little video over there.

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    My girlfriends father is a tool maker. He was more than happy to make this for me after i sketched it up in cad.
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    I've gone back to the well. Exactly the same as what I had for my Pavoni, but fitted for Alex.
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    Amazing tamper ordering related story?
    there is a CS with the same actual real life name as me. I pm'd him. Thought it was a funny coincidence...

    i order the above tamper from Pullman.
    Pullman ring me the day after. He has to check my order...
    i say no that's not what I wanted. He says , that's really strange, ummm ... I've got two orders for you. Ones from Nsw.
    i say, no that'll be the other one with the same name.

    we ordered one day apart. And no, I'm not John Smith.

    spooky?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Col3 View Post
    My girlfriends father is a tool maker. He was more than happy to make this for me after i sketched it up in cad.
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    nice one. Is it heavy?

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    I little while ago was wanting to make a tamper with a step to keep the tamping depth consistent while I played with other variables. I have several handles, and was looking to fit a new base to an existing handle. I came across the "Push" tamper above, and rather liked the idea of trying one with no handle. I'd picked up some blocks of acetal for free from one of our suppliers, so the 4 jaw chuck went on the lathe and I turned one up. I'm still playing with the tool angle to get the best surface finish, so one of the surfaces looks a little rough. It works well though, and an added bonus is that when the kids want to help make coffee, there is less chance of tamping errors. It is also interesting playing with a set depth tamper as you can feel the different pressures required to tamp when changing grind or dose (weighed).

    This one suits my La Pavoni Pro, with a 10mm depth. I have more acetal, so I can make up different depths if required. Not as fancy as the Push tamper, but effective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shortblackman View Post
    I've gone back to the well. Exactly the same as what I had for my Pavoni, but fitted for Alex.
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    Very nice looking tamper, strikingly similar to the one I have for my LaPavoni.
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    Interesting Matt, first thought that comes to mind is variations in grind and dose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    Interesting Matt, first thought that comes to mind is variations in grind and dose.
    I'm still working out all of the variations myself :-) To complicate things, I've just begun roasting my own beans, so that's another variable right there. Small batches between 80-500 grams (80g in popcorn maker, 500g in corretto). Keeping a log book of details on roasts and results over time in the hope of being able to repeat (or not repeat) roasts as appropriate.

    I've begun to appreciate the massive amount of variables in coffee making, particularly with RYOB (roast your own beans) and a manual lever, and instead of trying to arrive at a Holy Grail, I'm just enjoying the journey
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    Quote Originally Posted by shortblackman View Post
    nice one. Is it heavy?
    600g 1 piece stainless.

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    PUSH pre-order arrived in the mail yesterday, have to admit beautiful and functional. Decent weight to it. Not entirely convinced it's worth the $$ however

    With the ONA distributor & PUSH tamper it's fool proofed for others in the household when I'm not around which is why I purchased it in the first place. No more troubles with tamp pressure/level tamping for them

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    Pullman Big Step

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    Quote Originally Posted by evro50 View Post
    PUSH pre-order arrived in the mail yesterday, have to admit beautiful and functional. Decent weight to it. Not entirely convinced it's worth the $$ however

    With the ONA distributor & PUSH tamper it's fool proofed for others in the household when I'm not around which is why I purchased it in the first place. No more troubles with tamp pressure/level tamping for them
    Photos please!!

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    New 316 stainless Bogav Craftsman...I have one at home and it's working beautifully!
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeroyC View Post
    Photos please!!
    Couple of quick snaps, very happy with it the pullmans are in the drawer!



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    Strangely, I really don't like it. Doesn't seem to fit in with the 'artisan' character of coffee making
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    I reckon it looks great Paul...

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    ImageUploadedByCoffeeSnobs1474981924.528740.jpg

    Sorry, couldn't resist.

    Look great btw.

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    I've just bought a Big Step!
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    Quote Originally Posted by K_Bean_Coffee View Post
    My bling again. The gold's little loud and a bit "1980s 911 with a whale tail" but I'm enjoying it.
    Does the coffee taste better?

    Is it Solid Gold?

    Do you leave it by the open kitchen window while you sleep?



    ps: I thought it was going to have at least 1Kt of Diamonds in the handle
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    I love the look of these:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
    I love the look of these:

    Too cool! Brilliant
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    where are these from? They're actually made from pencils?

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    Too cool...for school! :-D
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    The pencil tampers look fantastic. Great video too.

    Cheers
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    Yes. The gold imparts sideways notes whilst somehow ensuring consistent and repeatable god shots. I think that it has something to do with string theory.

    Imagine how how good the taste would be with a gold boiler.....time to get the pro800 internals done, perhaps ?

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