Breville dual boiler will happily pull great shots with any coffee that is roasted well, coupled with a skilled / knowledgeable operator.
It will not turn them into the best beans in the world but they may not be judged as harshly either
I have had a couple of bags of high priced specialty roasted beans in the past that were undrinkable so I guess it can go either way at times
Breville dual boiler will happily pull great shots with any coffee that is roasted well, coupled with a skilled / knowledgeable operator.
Form your own opinion, however my thoughts are even the best Arabica beans can be reduced to little more than crap if mishandled.
Unfortunately supermarket beans will be all my budget permits, though given I've never even had a grinder before I probably haven't been missing much by not going to a better quality of bean. And heck, still no worse than some café coffee I've had. Will have to try Ali
It's about $100 outlay initially, but the improvement would be >100% coming from pre-ground. However, from spending $12/kg to $30++/kg, the improvement leap wasn't as much as to me - more like 20-30% improvement. Maybe others can't stomach anything less than a godshot, I'm still of the opinion that the Aldi stuff isn't that bad and is palatable (and can be enjoyable) to me.
And this is after spending $33/kg on a mail-order Ethiopian Harrar (which actually tasted worse than the Aldi - figure that).
Speaking of which, is Beanbay's roasted beans the gold standard around here? What should I go for if I want something that blows my mind and stops buying Aldi (I still home roast but I would like a reference of what's everyone's drinking)?
Hey, I've been on pods for the last year or so, and before then was supermarket bought beans in the cheapest Espresso machine and only a blade grinder (or pre ground). I think any change I make will improve it!
(and my new grinder is awaiting collection in the post office as I type)
That's supposedly an even better grinder than the Sunbeam. Congrats!
Just placed an order for roasted Ethiopian Sidamo Ardi myself from the BeanBay. It came up to $32.50 per 500g. I am not asking much, but it better be at least 3 times better than the (6 times cheaper) $11/kg Aldi. Pressure's on ya Andy.
The real math comparison is:
Aldi beans $11 + Car $25,000 + Rego $700 + Insurance $1,000 + $15 fuel and maintenance + your time to drive there and back and stand in a pack-your-own queue for a long time = $13,000/500g
The Ardi fresh roasted to order and freighted to your door is a bargain.
No guarantees it's any times better but I know which I would rather in my brewer.
...I thought that was only Bunnings that happened.
I'm heading to Bunnings after the post office tonight, for "just one thing dear"
I have certainly contemplated to go the 1kg pack route but it'd be $50 all up (40+10.75 freight). Like I said, living on a limited budget here so $30 is what I feel comfortable with for luxury spending. Just hope I would be pleasantly surprised with the coffee.
Ah, and no car here (still technically a 'student' ). Free tram in Melbourne back and forth. The time? I think I've spent way more time contemplating whether if I should grab a bag this week (or should I roast at home), rather than the act of grabbing the bag itself - just too convenient to grab a bag when I am doing my compulsory weekly grocery (Damn the Aldi for putting the coffee section first thing up in the shop front - no way you'd have missed it).
p/s: Just realized - Ardi Aldi Andy - Must've been fate!
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tried these beans for fun/backup - not too good even for supermarket beans
Aldi beans is actually OK if you get desperate and can't get hold of any real beans, but the regular supermarket stuff is unbearable.
I have some more good news for them, I somehow doubt that proclaiming the beans to be "actually OK" is going to result in traffic jams around Aldi stores, caused by hoards of Coffee Snobs descending on Aldi desperate to score a bargain.
If you are happy with your own coffee, that is perfectly okay. I love the discussions and the chatters, but being condescending (above did come out that way if it was not intended) is not really the spirit of Coffeesnobs, I hope?
I thought coffee forum was more in the spirit of sharing information and exploring new things in coffee - yes, includes exploring what was perceived to be rubbish supermarket beans. If Andy ever ends up selling his fantastic roasts in supermarket, I will no doubt give it a fair go with no preconceived notion. Ending up in supermarket doesn't automatically disqualify the quality. Yes, if it goes stale, it's bad - which is the classic problem of supermarket beans.
Of course, you can't expect a $11/kg beans to better a well-done $40/kg roast. Starting beans quality for one is certainly on two different levels. But I've also seen roasts that tasted worse for my preference and cost way more.
Guess you can take my remarks any way that suits you!
I've never bought a supermarket bean that I would classify as average, let alone good, that includes Aldi.
The name of the site is (Coffee Snobs) a pretty fair indicator that members are seekers of excellence in all things coffee, and in my opinion supermarket beans simply have nothing to contribute.
However if your happy with the quality of Aldi beans and they suit your palate, who am I to judge?
I am not sure what's the variation between roast quality/date difference among different Aldi's location. But I do have a hard time believing this is not up to par even for a Snobs palate - not saying it's better than the best out there, but it is at least palatable and drinkable for the desperate times (if you will). Certainly much better than culprit used in the OP.
For anyone visiting New Zealand just a little tip - supermarkets here don't only stock 'supermarket coffee', they also stock a variety of coffee from all sorts of independent roasters, big and small. I've seen the state of the coffee aisle in Woollies in Sydney and it's not very inspiring. It's quite different here as some supermarkets, especially smaller independently owned ones like New World will stock as many as 7 or 8 different roasters. You do need to know what you're looking for as there are a few of the big boys marketing stuff that looks the similar. Of course you've then got the job of searching for the freshest bag, but again if you know what to look for you can often find coffee less than 4 weeks old. I rarely resort to this anymore now that I'm roasting at home, but am happy to pass on any tips for anyone spending any time over here in paradise.
So I finally got around to trying out the Aldi beans the other day.
Freshness wise they were pretty good - about 3 weeks post roast. For a supermarket bean that's pretty good.
The imported stuff like Illy and Lavazza is months old by the time it gets here.
However, the negative is the taste. Fairly bland, with a distinct taste of... BACON.
I have to say that weirded me out.
Two of my breakfast passions right there in one cup. What's not to like??
But you judging. And you right - who are you to do so?
I have a theory that taste is like energy - and if I tell you all about the Lavazza beans I bought last night, it will somewhat transfer some of the bad taste in my mouth from last night to you guys (that is still there after an activated charcoal teeth brush and hydrogen peroxide gargle).
I was desperate - I didn't have a chance to roast during the week and realised I ran out at 7pm - Aldi had just shut, Woolies was open.
Went for the Lavazza Oro because everything else was in Woolies' double price phase legitimising future 50% off sales. Normal price of Lavazza is $19 for 500 g, really?
Also a coffee snob friend swore Lavazza were good.
Best before date 30/10/17. I know Vittoria roast 1 year before the best before date, but Lavazza - 2 years? Surely they weren't roasted in 2015. I assumed 18 months - making them nearly 5 months old.
The smell - like an ashtray. The beans were dull, zero life, like those 18 month old McDonald's fries in that Supersize Me movie.
I fined the grinder up heaps in preparation and nailed a 25-30 pour first go, but talk about diarrhea--I've seen more crema in the surf at Bondi. Had to wash the outside of the portafilter from splashback.
Even my rosetta wilted.
I was amused to read your post Yelta.
I have never used Vittoria beans in my machine as I once (about 15 years ago) used them in my Dripolator and the result was horrible.
About this time I started refusing to enter a Cafe that had the Vittoria sign on the front.
Once, on holiday in Sydney we got to the counter of a Cafe and in a moment of insight, I asked what bean they used before we ordered. On hearing that it was Vittoria, I was out the door in a flash with wife and friends trailing behind wondering if I was about to be sick.
Am loving this thread and would like to see it revived.
I guess the main conclusion here is this: supermarket beans are horrible but if you're going to buy horrible beans, might as well pay as little as possible. The price on those Aldi beans is just staggering IMO. How they managed to make beans of such low quality taste at that level of acceptability is beyond me. It was really nice to see the snobbiest of snobs in this thread(you know who you are) take the time and money to try them for themselves. Has anyone tried the Coles brand fair trade coffee beans? They are the same price point as Aldi at $12/kg. It would be interesting to see how they compare to Aldi's.
Most of the beans i buy are around the $12/kg mark. Of course i then have to roast them myself
Have to smile, the general consensus by the more knowledgeable among us is that you get what you pay for, the question has been answered over and over, until, the next naive punter surfaces and claims to have discovered a miraculous roasted coffee at the ACME supermarket that defies all of the rules and is selling for $12 kg roasted, and expects us to embrace the claim, seek out said beans to give em a go before passing judgement, ain't gonna happen, I've well and truly served my apprenticeship and have learned by bitter (pun intended) experience exactly what to expect when I pay $12 kg for roasted beans, not much.
My father in law to my disgust will occasionally put this aforementioned bean in his cupboard when I'm not looking or not roasting enough to keep him in beans. shakes head He kept on assuring me that it was drinkable.
So I tried to make an espresso with this bean and faced the same experience you came across, that you could not grind fine enough to stop the watery trotts that this roaster [cough cough] specialises in.
After an involved exorcism of my machine and grinder I was back in the black'n'gold *no, not home brand people!
Coffee quality... Wish it smelled like mud.
Taste... Undrinkable swill.
Score... 1/2 a bean for looking like coffee.
Reminds me of a Blackadder sketch...
Edmund: Now, all we
have to do is wait. Baldrick, fix us some coffee, will you? And try
to make it taste slightly less like mud this time.
Baldrick: Not easy, I'm afraid, Captain.
Edmund: Why is this?
Baldrick: 'cause it is mud. We ran out of coffee thirteen months ago.
Edmund: So every time I've drunk your coffee since, I have in fact been
drinking hot mud...
Baldrick: With sugar.
Edmund: Which of course makes all the difference.
Baldrick: Well, it would do if we had any sugar, but, unfortunately, we ran
out New Year's Eve 1915, since when I've been using sugar substitute.
Edmund: Which is...?
Baldrick: Still, I could add some milk this time -- well, saliva...
Edmund: No, no, thank you, Baldrick. Call me Mr Picky, but I think I'll
cancel the coffee.
Yelta, you'll be happy to know I have been known to make bags of Vittoria beans carefully stored in the fridge at work mysteriously disappear in to the bin. Ashes to ashes. Dust to dust.
If the Mercedes needs work done on it, I don't walk to the shops. I take the Corolla.
You don't by any chance have an affiliation with Aldi do you? as usual with first post whingers nothing in your profile to give us an insight as to who you are or what your about, and not so much as a word of introduction, well done.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, supermarket beans, including those from Aldi are terrible, however if your happy with the quality and they suit your palate, who am I to judge? I'd rather stick slivers of bamboo under my nails than drink the stuff.
Check this link CoffeeSnobs - BeanBay - FairCrack Stats for a list of the projects carried out by FairCrack since it was set up.
Some may be interested in the figures, wonder if Aldi or the supermarkets have a similar scheme?
Total raised so far:
$233,662.55 Total donated: $111,781.09 Current FairCrack balance: $121,881.46
"He has all of the hallmarks of a number of other stirrers who have mysteriously come and gone recently."
Would it be fair game to put Jens on Snob Watch? Or do you think he'll up and disappear like a fart in the wind before any further chance of redemption?
Coles and Woolworths, a duopoly as LeroyC mentioned (but not by name) need competition but Aldi, at least here, is nowhere near a competitor IMO.
The general presentation of the shop is that it is understaffed by the general untidy presentation of the store. On occasions, there has been a pallet to walk around or stock still in boxes on the floor. Even wheel marks from pallet jacks sometimes. All first world problems but don't compare with the big two.
My biggest dislike though is that if I need one or two items, I often have to wait behind three or four full trolleys to buy my one item. Also no service desk if an item is faulty or needs refunding and no self serve checkouts.
Quite happy to go to Coles as it is near my favourite coffee shop.
Nocookies | The Australian
It was telling that Aldi announced plans for 80 new store openings in 2016 in a note to its suppliers, not a press release.
Aldi is often described as secretive, but it talks to its suppliers all the time: they are like its shareholders and its relationship with them is one of the foundations of its success.
The shareholder, by the way, is Germany’s richest man, Karl Albrecht, who split the business with his brother Theo in 1966. Theo got northern Germany plus Denmark, France and Poland; Karl got Ireland, Switzerland, UK and Australia, among other countries. They both operate in the US, Theo as “Trader Joe’s”.
Both Coles and Woolworths have finally cottoned onto the subversive danger of the Aldi business model and specifically its rapport with suppliers and its disregard of brand power.
But it’s hard for them to fight it. The business model of Australia’s supermarket duopoly is based on a combative, almost master/slave relationship with suppliers, especially those that don’t have a powerful brand.
The supermarkets are basically shelf space landlords, renting their in-store real estate to tenants according to the money they have invested in brands and how successfully they’ve done it. Prices are dictated to suppliers and for the past decade, food deflation has been a crushing (for suppliers) 4-5 per cent.
With Aldi, brand power is irrelevant because each line only has no more than two house brands.
Suppliers are given one price — no shelf space or marketing fees — and they are always paid on time. Sure their margins are tight, but volumes are growing, they trust Aldi totally and can plan their businesses accordingly.
Suppliers to Coles and Woolworths are serfs, living in fear of getting the lords of the buying department off-side and are constantly subject to new taxes (shelf and marketing fees) and edicts on volume, price and payments.
Aldi’s suppliers simply get a cheque each month, on time, and requests to supply more please, as they did recently from buying director Jordan Lack foreshadowing a 20c per cent uplift — disclosed in a report yesterday by Eli Greenblat in The Australian.
“This should be considered in addition to any current growth rates you are experiencing on the basis of revised retails, packaging changes, case mix variations etc,” he added.
Happy days. Australia’s food and grocery manufacturers are falling over themselves to supply Aldi.
The problem for Coles and Woolworths is this is unfamiliar turf.
If it was purely a price war, well that’s a battleground they know. Red spot specials, everyday low prices, $1 a litre milk — these things are in their DNA.
And it’s not as if Aldi is fighting them on profit margin anyway: its gross margin is a moderate 5.2 per cent while Coles’ is 4.7 per cent and Woolworths is 7 per cent (that number is Woolworths’ second big problem by the way — the first being the Master’s home improvement disaster).
But the big two don’t know how to be nice to suppliers, not convincingly, or for long, and they don’t really understand the modern world of social media, where product quality and price matter more than brand, and word of mouth matters more than advertising.
Aldi doesn’t advertise, and it certainly doesn’t spend money marketing its house brands — establishing Westacre cheese, Choceur chocolate or Expressi coffee in consumers’ minds. The brands are on the jars and packets, but they don’t matter.
Moreover, there aren’t many of them: Aldi stocks an average of 1,350 lines compared to 15,000 to 25,000 in “full service” supermarkets, so in a world where everyone’s too busy to wander around vast, complicated supermarkets, its stores are small and simple — in and out.
And more broadly, as discussed here recently, the business of creating and maintain powerful brands through mass interruption advertising is coming under increasing threat from the growth of social media and more targeted advertising.
Aldi’s model is part of that revolution: no brands, word of mouth marketing and an almost loving relationship with suppliers. And like the Australian government, it doesn’t talk about “operational matters”.
Suddenly the supermarket duopoly looks vulnerable to disruption, but not the one they expected — online shopping.
Maybe that will come with groceries in future, but for the moment the challenger is just opening stores.
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Thank you, Yelta. My compliments on your welcoming message.
No, I have no affiliation with Aldi. Neither, honestly, have I ever bought as much as a gramme of coffee there. If you care to take up reading sometime, you might recognise that what I wrote was not extolling the quality of Aldi's coffee, but was rather a comment on the quality of your commentary.
It's clear that your preoccupation with, and enjoyment of good coffee has more to do with ensuring that others know you possess such a superior palate, than it does with actually enjoying the coffee itself. There are words for that type of snobbery (and I speak as a great supporter of snobbishness), but I think such words might be considered crass.
Yes, that was apparently my first post. I've been lurking on and off, buying coffee through the site on occasion and enjoying the wealth of knowledge this board has to offer. I thought I'd made my first post a couple of years ago but it seems I hadn't. My sincerest apologies for failing so gravely in that regard.
Did you know, by the way, that only by sticking slivers of bamboo under your nails while enjoying coffee made from the most superior bean, can you truly be said to have walked the full path in showing the world how supremely trained your palate is? Try it sometime; it'll give you no end of credibility with yourself – as long as you believe in it.
And now that you both have had your say let's all return to the regularly scheduled programming.
Any further such off-topic posts will be deleted.
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Toys! I must have new toys!!!
Yes, there are those brands and roasters who buy sustainably and I absolutely prefer to support them, too. But let's not kid ourselves and think that because we pay twice as much for something at Coles or Woolworth's for brands that haven't made commitments on sustainability, that any more money reaches the growers themselves.