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    Which Acaia scales?

    Im looking to get some Acaia scales for home, it seems that most cafes seem to run the Lunar as a scale for yield in the drip tray and a Pearl for weighing dose. Im not in a position to buy both, which is the common scale that most are using for both weighing dose and yield ?

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    $10 2kg/0.1g waterproof ebay job.
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    For me the brewista smart scale

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    Quote Originally Posted by simonko View Post
    $10 2kg/0.1g waterproof ebay job.
    Similar, been using one for about 7 years.

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    Yeah, I'm sure the OP is aware it's not the cheap option...

    I have the Lunar, the rubber pad is *just* wide enough to sit the P/F on with the end of the handle hanging slightly off one corner (the rubber provides sufficient friction to stop it slipping off), and the spouts resting on the other to weigh the dose. I think you can also buy a larger aluminium plate. I don't always weigh the output, but it fits very nicely on the drip tray, don't think the Pearl would be great for this. So either will probably be a compromise. I bought mine to use with my Aeropress and the Lunar is great for this, good for weighing dose and terrific for weighing yield (though I think this is less important). An unemotive analysis would probably lean toward the Pearl, but I'm happy with the Lunar, largely on aesthetics.
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    Haha I know, I currently have a cheaper set and they work ok, but I'd love to nerd out and get a nice set of specific built scales, where I don't have a dodgy contraption to balance my portafilter on whilst weighing. Considering I've spent $3.5+k on my machine and grinder, whats another few hundred
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    Here's a photo of my ECM portafilter on the Lunar scales - others might fit better or worse \_(ツ)_/



    And in the drip tray.

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    Just watched a video of the brewista smart scale and they seem really good. Are they durable? Much cheaper than the acaia too!

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    Is the brewista big enough to balance a portafilter on it for dosing from the grinder?

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    No it's not big enough. However I rest my pf in a ramekin that sits easily on the scales. Works just fine. Or grind into a jar and dose using a jam funnel

    the scales themselves are great, but if you want to weigh wet and dry the auto modes aren't a great help. I use the mode where you manually tare and set the timer. It's great. Auto modes are great if you are not constantly switching to measure dry coffee as well as wet, though can take a bit of practice to get used to.

    ive found mine to be durable within reason. They withstand water quite well. Keep them clean and don't immerse them in pools of water and I'm sure you'll get lots of use out of one.

    some people say they can chew batteries. Not too bad in the home setting.
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    I fit my pf straight on the brewista for dose weight. It is a little tight but I have no problems.

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    The lunar looks really cool but I've never had a play with one. I've owned a Pearl for over a year now and it's a nice tool to have. When the Lunar launched I was inclined to sell the Pearl but the reality is that if size isn't a bother, the Pearl gets the job done. Not sure what the price difference is these days between the two models.
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    I really don't like the Brewista. Buttons are too close together, so when I power it off, it often changes the mode instead. The tare button doesn't work in auto mode so you have to power down and up again. And yes it eats batteries. I far prefer my $15 eBay special.

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    Got mine from Pullman Coffee (nice website too, pullman.coffee). They have a scale + dosing containers, which fits nicely on the portafilter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blurry View Post
    Got mine from Pullman Coffee (nice website too, pullman.coffee). They have a scale + dosing containers, which fits nicely on the portafilter.
    Interesting, just looked for the sponsor link for Pullman, not there! is the company still a CS sponsor?

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    Greg sold the business 3 years and a couple of weeks ago. Tampers were probably too good so no repeat business, I got one of the first ones and 10? plus years later it's like new.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trentski View Post
    Greg sold the business 3 years and a couple of weeks ago. Tampers were probably too good so no repeat business, I got one of the first ones and 10? plus years later it's like new.
    I was aware the business had changed hands, my query was, is the business still a CS sponsor, looks like the answer is no.

    Not sure about product too good, Reg Barber started producing tampers well before Pullman and is going from strength to strength, his tampers always have been exceptional, some of his latest offerings are spectacular.

    I own both a Reg Barber and a Pullman tamper, much prefer the Barber, having said that I'm sure there are many prefer the Pullman, at the end of the day both products do the job they were designed for.
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    The new pullman site has many variations on tamper base, handle, colour inserts etc options available now. so much choice its confusing! Love my 2 pullman tampers.

    Cheers

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    I have the Pearl and use it both to weigh beans and shots. The drip tray on my machine is big enough to fit the Pearl on so its not an issue for me, I have used lots of different cheapies over the years, but the Acaia's are worth every cent - just a different level of equipment.
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    Don't know if anyone else noticed, but Acaia saw this thread on Twitter and recommended the Lunar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snedden9485 View Post
    Im looking to get some Acaia scales for home, it seems that most cafes seem to run the Lunar as a scale for yield in the drip tray and a Pearl for weighing dose. Im not in a position to buy both, which is the common scale that most are using for both weighing dose and yield ?

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    G'day snedden9485

    Put "bonavita coffee scales" into the search engine of your choice. Two main models - both w a drip tray and one also has a "siphon holder / clamp thingy". I bought mine "near locally" for $85 / $115 respectively (I maintain two setups) quite a while back. IMO, worth every cent - the one w a siphon holder doubles for cold steep in my case.

    TampIt

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArnhemR View Post
    I have the Pearl and use it both to weigh beans and shots. The drip tray on my machine is big enough to fit the Pearl on so its not an issue for me, I have used lots of different cheapies over the years, but the Acaia's are worth every cent - just a different level of equipment.
    A pearl with a standard latte glass on top doesn't fit (rocket giotto) under my group handle, its too thick. The lunar does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrJack View Post
    Don't know if anyone else noticed, but Acaia saw this thread on Twitter and recommended the Lunar.

    Well that makes sense, they cost a little over $100 more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gonzo89 View Post
    Well that makes sense, they cost a little over $100 more.
    I must admit, that was my first thought
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    Quote Originally Posted by dlight View Post
    I really don't like the Brewista. Buttons are too close together, so when I power it off, it often changes the mode instead. The tare button doesn't work in auto mode so you have to power down and up again. And yes it eats batteries. I far prefer my $15 eBay special.
    I think the Brewista is the best value of the upper end auto tare and timer scales. I'm about to buy one and I've already had a play and I don't agree the buttons are too close and of course tare doesn't work in auto mode, that's what auto mode is all about, you have to switch to manual mode if you want to tare it manually. The lunar has the added feature of syncing with your phone using the acaica app. This gives a continual real time brew ratio and gives a lot of information about the pour using your phone if that's important to you. With scales all I want is time, weight of grinds and weight of liquid and I can use a calculator to calculate the brew ratio which is important to me. It's about $80 but I feel the lunar is top of it class but carries a hefty price tag.
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    The brew graphs and the app are great sure, but eventually you come full circle and I for one stopped using all that with my pearl. Either I imagined tasting the differences in my pourovers based on technique, or I became really good at pourovers and take it for granted..who knows, I'm no scientist but I do love my Pearl scales for their accuracy, response time, durability and barely ever needing to charge it.

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    For the money I think the Brewista is great value even if it's not as pretty as an Acaia scale. Do I regret buying a Pearl? No. Does everyone really NEED a toy of the same calibre as the Pearl and Lunar, a safe bet is no. What you save in price difference will buy you a lot of things. Perhaps set that money aside and start saving for a Baratza Sette 270w

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    Quote Originally Posted by gonzo89 View Post
    The brew graphs and the app are great sure, but eventually you come full circle and I for one stopped using all that with my pearl. Either I imagined tasting the differences in my pourovers based on technique, or I became really good at pourovers and take it for granted..who knows, I'm no scientist but I do love my Pearl scales for their accuracy, response time, durability and barely ever needing to charge it.
    A little like roast profiles, had everything running through a laptop when I started, once I understood what was happening and how to control it the PC connection became another level of unnecessary complexity (my opinion)
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    I remember when I bought my first running watch, it had all the bells and whistles with a huge amount of downloadable information including maps, heart rates throughout, PB's, graphs etc etc but I now don't bother downloading it. All I want is time, distance, splits and heart rate and I get all that from my watch. I feel I would go the same way if I bought an acacia. Don't get me wrong i would love to buy the lunar but cant justify it given brewista's features.

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    I thought I'd give a quick review of the Brewista scale. Ordered Monday and received Tuesday. Not bad for country Victoria. Anyway after a day I'm very impressed. Tried all modes and they worked well. I found I used manual mode to weigh the group handle with and without coffee and then used auto mode 1. That mode starts the timer, auto tares then the weight increases until you remove the cup. It shows the time and weight for 5 seconds then auto tares again. As I like starting the timer at the instant when the lever is pulled this mode worked perfectly. I simply placed the cup on the drip tray at the same time I activated the brew cycle. If you like timing from first drop then auto mode 4 worked well too except there was a small lag (about 2 second) but you can allow for that. Its thin enough so that a normal and larger latte glass fits under the group handle. I know its only one day and I haven't tested battery usage or reliability but it does exactly what I want faster and more effectively than using my $25 scales. I dial a bean in using brew ratio and this makes it a bit easier. I know the Acacia lunar calculates that ratio on the fly and stores all information on your phone but $330 vs $80 makes it an easy choice unless you really need lunar's features. The screen is easy to read and the platform is big enough but you need to use the tray or a plate to weigh the group handle.

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    Sorry snedden I've hijacked you're thread. To answer your question, Lunar would be my recommendation simply because the Pearl is too thick and you'll struggle to fit anything other than a cappuccino cup under the group head. That includes a Rocket Giotto and VBM Jnr
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    Cheers for the help guys, much appreciated. I think i will grab a set of Brewista's and see how they go, they are far cheaper than the acaia and seem to do a decent job.

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    Don't forget to report in when you've had a play
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    OK i've had a quick play with the scales today, making a few espressos. So far so good with these. I run them on setting #2, where i manually start the timer when i start the pump.

    -By using the bigger plastic tray, i can easily balance my ECM spouted PF in the tray for dosing ground coffee
    -Take the tray off and put scales in drip tray (easy fit in my ECM)
    -I can fit two espresso demi's side by side to weigh shots.
    -Scales seem accurate and Auto tare works well.

    My only initial gripes are that I have to put the tray on top to weigh dose. By it just sitting on there, its a little flimsy, not sure how to overcome this? If i secure the cover with blue tack, i cant remove it for when i pull shots in the drip tray.

    All in all, these seem like a good scale. Time will tell!

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    Even the acacia lunar needs a plate to weigh the group handle on some machines. Maybe if the platform was a little bigger then it would tick another box. I can't decide which mode to use. I'll try #2 as you did.

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    The only thing i haven't figured out is after dosing my coffee and moving the scale into the drip tray, i add my cups, but i can't seem to tare the scales again? I have been turning them off and then it seems to work? It could be something im doing wrong though, I haven't used them too much yet.

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    When I use mine for dose and yield weight (all the time) I find it easiest to operate the scale in "Hand 2" mode.

    Then I have full control or manual tare and time. A quick tip when in this mode, you can start the timer while the scale is taring. I use that when I move the scale onto the drip tray put the cups on, tare and start the pump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by snedden9485 View Post
    The only thing i haven't figured out is after dosing my coffee and moving the scale into the drip tray, i add my cups, but i can't seem to tare the scales again? I have been turning them off and then it seems to work? It could be something im doing wrong though, I haven't used them too much yet.
    I start with Hand 2 (full manual) to weigh my dose then one press of the mode button puts it into Auto 1 (or two presses for Auto 2) before placing it on the drip tray. Works for me.
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    How long have you guys been using them for? Interested in durability of the scales and battery life? They seem well built.

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    Gonna pick up some Acaia while I'm in the States. Not cheaper than Aus... but easier to justify to the wife when she's been off buying shoes, clothes and books! :P
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    Ok... So I didn't think it was cheaper, but when the cafe ranging them decides not to charge me tax, I'm not complaining!

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    Quote Originally Posted by snedden9485 View Post
    How long have you guys been using them for? Interested in durability of the scales and battery life? They seem well built.
    About 6 months, no problems yet
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    Anyone here solved the problem of scales and the e61 drain valve? I know my Lunar is waterproof, but it's still not ideal to have water splash up onto the bottom of the scale when cutting my shot... can't imagine those using non-waterproof scales would be all that stoked.

    It doesn't matter how much water I have in my drip tray (ECM Technika), it always happens. Am I missing something here?

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    Hi Readeral,

    I can't say it's that much of a concern and I'm using the Pearl scale. It doesn't seem to get very wet at all, but on occasion I do wipe underneath it after use. I can understand that such an expensive new toy can of course make you a little worried about how you treat it and affect it's longevity etc. I wouldn't worry too much about it. I've had my Pearl scales for about a year and a half ( I think) and no issues at all.

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    Oh I'm not worried about the scale personally, it's just annoying when I move it to my bench and it slides around cause it's wet! And I have to then wipe my bench of coffee drip tray muck... :P

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    Maybe my drain valve release is more violent than most e61s or something.

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    For those playing at home, returning to this thread, I contacted Acaia recently as the screws on the bottom of the scale had rusted! They let me know that they'd changed them for another type in their current manufacturing, so posted me some new screws (via Bombora). Recently, they've released a new bottom case that covers the whole base, and ensures no ingress of water, nor steam. Not sure when it'll be available in OZ, but I don't think I'll be bothered getting it.

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    I've got the same machine as yourself and thinking of pick up the scale real soon but I'm now worried about the rusted screws later on. Maybe I should wait?

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    Noticed that some photos on the net shows the digital display as either orange or white.

    Does anyone know the difference? Old vs new version perhaps?

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    Mine are white on the display. Not sure they have an orange version, but they photo might be on an angle and so comes across as orange? Don't worry about rusted screws. Literally messaged Acaia on FB and new screws arrived 3 days later. I suspect current stock will have the new screws in place already coming out of the factory - I bought mine a few months ago, while I was in the US, and they needed a firmware update from the get go so was likely older stock.

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    Behmor Brazen - $249 - Free Freight
    I've been running the brewista smart scale for a few months and they have been great. No issues at all. I may grab a set of pearls in the future for dosing as the plastic cover on top is a little flimsy. I would run the brewista as a drip tray scale and the pearl for dose.

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