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    That Old Paper Cup Chestnut

    Hi Folks

    I'm on the hunt for a "tasteless" paper cup. "Tasteless" as in does not ruin what goes in it, I couldn't case less what it looks like (well, almost couldn't care less).

    Most of our caffeine intake is at home and in ceramic but when we're on the go we resort to the humble paper cup. I usually keep a small supply at home for this purpose.

    The last batch I bought from a chefs kitchen supplier in Brisbane produced a very nasty aftertaste. I also tried a hot water rinse and thought this would help but this only compounds the problem.

    After a quick search on CS I found a few threads on the subject, the latest being 2013 but there could be later discussions.

    Just wondering if the humble paper cup has evolved to the point where it does not ruin what goes in it!

    I also have to say since the Leva entered lour lives 10 months or so ago my reliance on the take away cup has diminished to virtually zero, I even turn down the freebie offered by my bean supplier when ordering over the counter but this probably has more to do with the pimply faced "barista" in panic mode. Perhaps the overuse of ceramic has cleansed my palate of the paper cup toxins and dare I say it........I am now truly a........Coffee Snob!.....who knows?

    Anyhow, any advice on whether a tasteless paper cup exists would be greatly appreciated.

    Cheers

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    Have you tried something like a KeepCup? If you're always filling them at home that might work for you.
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    My view of paper cups changed dramatically after learning that they cant be recycled.

    https://www.choice.com.au/food-and-d...ups-recyclable
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    We have some plastic cups similar to keepcup but there is a taste variation, not much but it's there. Although our cups are a few years old so I'll explore this angle, they seem to have glass versions so hopefully they'll be tolerant to the rough and tumble of being on the move.

    Yes, that Choice article is sobering, here I am thing I was doing the right thing recycling my used paper cups! I think these are heading down the same road as the plastic shopping bag.

    I wonder how the cafe industry overcome this waste problem, the paper cup is so damn convenient!
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    The keepcup brew has been my favourite reusable cup. Not so worried about the glass breaking in these.

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    That Old Paper Cup Chestnut

    I've tried and owned just about every reusable out there; Sol is my favourite (glass, but a much more practical shape than KeepCup Brew for fitting in bags etc and with a much better lid).

    If breaking a glass cup is a concern, Frank Green is probably the best option. The inner cup is a much more taste resistant plastic than the plastic KeepCups.

    If you can find someone with stock of UpperCups they are also excellent (and beautiful to look at), but sadly I gather the company has gone out of business.

    Moving to Sydney I was amazed at how few people use reusables; in Melbourne it's become very common; most cafes have a branded cup and some offer a small discount to encourage reuse.

    Check out Chris Jordan "Running the Numbers" for inspiration to avoid waste. Here's a composite image showing what 410,000 paper cups looks like (that's 15 minute's worth just for the US).


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    I have just updated my keepcup and the lid is much improved on my original.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trentski View Post
    I have just updated my keepcup and the lid is much improved on my original.
    The newer ones with additional inserts around the drinking hole etc are definitely better; I'm still not a fan of the sealing flap design and they still take on a stale coffee flavour over time though.

    Silicon is the way to go for my money which is why I prefer the Sol lid. Can't argue with KeepCup's popularity though!

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    Some good options in this thread. Just to add another option to the mix, in the What Coffee cups do you use? thread, Spin addict mentioned he uses twin wall titanium at home. He said it produced no taste. He uses very nice cups at home, but I wanted to use them for bushwalking and a quick google produced a brand called Snow Peak producing a double walled titanium cup in various sizes for about $50 and a mug which isn't as aesthetically pleasing with wire handles for similar. You wouldn't need to worry about breakage and would assume titanium as a pretty inert substance (that is why they stick it inside you) would impart less taste than plastic.

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    Also recently I saw an ad for a collapsible cup suitable for coffee. If space in your bag is an issue with a takeaway, finding that brand of cup might be an option.

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    .......and when I started this thread all I wanted was a tasteless paper coffee cup!

    Course Correction!

    Thanks for the input folks.

    I'm officially ditching the elusive search for the perfect paper cup as quite frankly it does not exist. The paper cup only exists to fill a commercial convenience for the end consumer and of course for the convenience of the cafe / supplied to dispense their liquid gold. This is an out-dated concept but of course money talks and it makes the rules that we seem to blindly follow.

    I've looked at all reusables mentioned below and they all have excellent merit but they appear to sit on the outer fringe of cafe society.

    Sure, I've walked into cafes and on display shelves are the reusables but instead of gathering interest, they gather dust.

    I have a commercial head (international freight / logistics since 1982) and it seems to me perhaps these fine reusable manufacturers and bean importers / supplies / cafes need to have a few round table meetings and start a movement!

    I would suggest incentives starting with the end user and filtering back to the manufacturers. Cafes could place these reusables front and centre high on the back wall behind the counter and along side of the paper cup and compare both environmentally to the end user just to get the thought process initiated whilst they're standing waiting for their brew.

    Of course the reusable would have an initial outlay but this would diminish over time particularly if the cafe for instance offered an incentive, ie, 20c-50c (whatever) discount per cup over the paper. This would also attract the consumer back, after all, isn't repeat business what it's all about?

    The cafe gets a kick-back for selling and the manufacturer churns out more - an environmentally friendly bottom line!

    Yes, a simplistic overview but you get the picture.

    Thanks MM, I did take a look at Chris Jordan's work and it is very clever and sobering, particularly his films Midway 2017 and Camels Gastrolith 2016.

    That's my rant for the day but I do think these reusable manufacturers and cafes and all those in the supply chain in between need to get serious and push the concept. If there has been traction in Melbourne then there is no reason other cities shouldn't. This would then filter down through the regions and smaller towns. Who knows, this could be the beginning of a worldwide trend.
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    Definitely go with the reusable option if you can. With disposable cups not being recyclable it's certainly the much more environmentally friendly alternative. There are a few compostable cups available as well, but these are also less than ideal as they can only be composted by a commercial composting operation rather than the old backyard compost pile. Not all commercial composting outfits can handle them either so it's very dependent on where you live.

    I've had a few reusable cups over the years and have found that it's the lid that has the single biggest influence on taste. For example I bought a new Keep Cup Brew last year as I like the idea of glass and an improved lid. Unfortunately as much as the lid works better it tastes terrible. I've actually put the lid off my old Keep Cup on it so that I can use it and the new lid is just gathering dust on a shelf. So even if you find a nice titanium or stainless cup they'll inevitably have a plastic lid that could be just as bad for taste as anything else.
    I rarely use travel cups, but when I do it's now more often than not my Coolgear cup (pictured below) that I picked up at the supermarket for $3. It's a great cup with a lock on lid, leak flap, double walled cup and lid, silicone ring and best of all it imparts virtually no flavour. Coolgear is a pretty well known US brand that makes drink bottles, ice packs and lunch boxes for example so I'm sure you'd be able to find them in Australia or online easily enough. They come in at least two different sizes and are definitely worth a look.

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    That Old Paper Cup Chestnut

    Good find @LeroyC

    The other elephant in the room is size; I find in Sydney no matter how emphatically I emphasise "three quarters full" or even specify the volume to the person taking orders, this rarely makes it through to the barista and the cup comes back almost brimming.

    Keepcup make a six ounce plastic cup - which I have but never use due to taste. The smaller Sol is nominally eight but fits nine Oz comfortably; the UpperCup is also meant to be eight but fits just over seven.

    Frank Green make a whole bunch of sizes, but I've never tried one as I'm not really a fan of the flask-style drinking spout.

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    What about a ceramic travel mug...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrJack View Post
    What about a ceramic travel mug...
    I haven't seen the greatest options for ceramic travels mugs. They seem to come in one size - waaaay too big - and only ugly designs. Of course they also have plastic lids which can affect flavour adversely. Has anyone out there got a ceramic travel mug? It'd be good to hear some first hand experience.

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    Used a SS Contigo for a long time, excellent for retaining heat and use it not so frequently at the mo due to taste residue. I use a Joco daily now, although slightly modified, as I put it in a neoprene stubby holder for extended heat retention and a bit of protection, the el cheapo stubby holder comes right up to the silicone lid so it seams to work well. The Sols and Jocos look very similar.

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    I've personally always removed the plastic lid of any takeaway cup before drinking.

    I take the point about size - the one we have is tall but narrow. Of course, you don't have to fill it up.

    On the plus side, you can preheat a ceramic cup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrJack View Post
    I've personally always removed the plastic lid of any takeaway cup before drinking.

    I take the point about size - the one we have is tall but narrow. Of course, you don't have to fill it up.

    On the plus side, you can preheat a ceramic cup.
    Yeah I do the same with my reusable cups if it's possible. It's not really an option when you're on the move though so a lid that doesn't taint the flavour is handy. I saw a bamboo reusable cup with a silicone lid at the supermarket today for about $8. Haven't really seen many of them around.

    Also what's all this 6oz, 8oz rubbish people? This is Australasia in 2017, we use the metric system!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic_Matt View Post
    Good find @LeroyC The other elephant in the room is size; I find in Sydney no matter how emphatically I emphasise "three quarters full" or even specify the volume to the person taking orders, this rarely makes it through to the barista and the cup comes back almost brimming.
    "What do you mean he doesn't want his 400ml travel cup washing out our terrible coffee? He must be a hipster or something."
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeroyC View Post
    Also what's all this 6oz, 8oz rubbish people? This is Australasia in 2017, we use the metric system!!!
    Haha. Nice
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeroyC View Post
    Also what's all this 6oz, 8oz rubbish people? This is Australasia in 2017, we use the metric system!!!
    Ok, here's some homework for you: order a 180ml flat white and see what kind of look you get

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic_Matt View Post
    Ok, here's some homework for you: order a 180ml flat white and see what kind of look you get
    Over here it'd probably be a similar look to if I ordered a 6oz flat white and would be accompanied by a statement along the lines of, "sooo, is that a small or a regular you're after?" Sizes are generally descriptive here in NZ, rather than by volume. Although that's something else that drives me mental. What's wrong good old Small, Medium and Large for sizes? All this Regular, Extra Large, Jumbo stuff is just stupid and completely subjective and meaningless.
    I don't remember ever asking for a coffee in ounces or mills in Australia either, it's always been a small cap or a piccolo latte for milk drinks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeroyC View Post
    Over here it'd probably be a similar look to if I ordered a 6oz flat white and would be accompanied by a statement along the lines of, "sooo, is that a small or a regular you're after?" Sizes are generally descriptive here in NZ, rather than by volume. Although that's something else that drives me mental. What's wrong good old Small, Medium and Large for sizes? All this Regular, Extra Large, Jumbo stuff is just stupid and completely subjective and meaningless.
    I don't remember ever asking for a coffee in ounces or mills in Australia either, it's always been a small cap or a piccolo latte for milk drinks.
    I do take your point - but mine is that the North American origins and history of specialty coffee means that cup sizes are typically referred to in Oz rather than g. I mightn't like it any more than you, but don't see it changing anytime soon and in any case it's a pretty straightforward conversion...

    Ordering a specific size is pretty much a necessity when using a reusable - although in Sydney any instructions are generally ignored anyway In Melbourne cafes I'll often order a 6-Oz white coffee if the in-house cups aren't a known size and haven't often been disappointed.

    My guess would be that the cup naming convention comes from specialty cafe owners "gently encouraging" customers toward the smaller sizes - S/M/L will result in most people going for Medium, whereas R/L/XL will probably push some people to Regular (while others will gravitate toward XL).

    This conversation just reminded me of a personal bugbear - in desperate times I occasionally grab a takeaway from a cafe near my work; often enough to have had a couple of free coffees from the lotalty app they use. Both times, despite me requesting a regular (360mL ) flat white, I've been given a large (480mL) - I guess because they think there will be a higher perceived value.

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    Trying to picture people wandering around city streets reusable cup in hand! do you ever get mistaken for a beggar?

    The whole reusable cup thing smacks of obsession to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    Trying to picture people wandering around city streets reusable cup in hand! do you ever get mistaken for a beggar?

    The whole reusable cup thing smacks of obsession to me.
    Obsession with... coffee? Not trashing the planet? Something else?

    No, in Melbourne they're quite a common sight. Though I do wonder how much use many of the promotional KeepCups get - they even had maccas branded ones at one point.

    I do recall as a kid thinking the whole takeaway cup thing was weird - grown-ups wandering about drinking from sippy cups. Funny how perceptions change over time, eh

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    Id love to see someone trying to order a specific OZ sized coffee in italy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic_Matt View Post
    Obsession with... coffee? Not trashing the planet? Something else?
    Seems to me a little like trying to put a bush fire out by pissing on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    Trying to picture people wandering around city streets reusable cup in hand! do you ever get mistaken for a beggar?

    The whole reusable cup thing smacks of obsession to me.
    I'm guessing you mean that taking the few minutes to sit down and drink from a proper cup rather than any kind of takeaway is preferable Yelta. If so I totally agree and rarely use a 'mobile' cup these days, it really is a last resort. Only times I really use one are if I'm leaving home pre-dawn for work (and even then it's not all the time) or if I'm on the road for some reason. The caffeine hit on-the-go thing might not be quite as extreme in this part of the world as it is in the US, but it's gotta be getting close.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeroyC View Post
    I'm guessing you mean that taking the few minutes to sit down and drink from a proper cup rather than any kind of takeaway is preferable Yelta.
    A number of cafes in Adelaide have taken to serving coffee only in paper cups, they don't get my business.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    A number of cafes in Adelaide have taken to serving coffee only in paper cups, they don't get my business.
    I hate that. With you on that one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    Trying to picture people wandering around city streets reusable cup in hand! do you ever get mistaken for a beggar?

    The whole reusable cup thing smacks of obsession to me.
    I love my reusable cup. I get mistaken for a beggar every day! It's totally part of my ritual now.

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    Well, maybe, maybe not.

    Whilst it's always nice to enjoy a brew in the serenity of ones home, sometimes that's not possible so a coffee on the go is required.

    The choices are you either buy one from a cafe with pimply faced kid thrashing out 10+ brews in 3 minutes or you take one with you in either paper or reusable.

    The problem with paper is the foul taste but the convenience is you can ditch it in any bin, the problem with reusable is you're stuck with it until you get home so if it's in the car that's fine but if walking around that's another matter and yes, you could be mistaken for a beggar!

    You spend good $ on good kit and beans only to be compromised by the last link in the supply / production chain, a lousy foul tasting paper cup. So I wouldn't necessarily call this an obsession, just a search for a solution for people on the go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic_Matt View Post
    This conversation just reminded me of a personal bugbear - in desperate times I occasionally grab a takeaway from a cafe near my work; often enough to have had a couple of free coffees from the lotalty app they use. Both times, despite me requesting a regular (360mL ) flat white, I've been given a large (480mL) - I guess because they think there will be a higher perceived value.
    Yes please! I'll definitely take a 600ml latte or long black as I'd rather not taste the coffee. How any barista thinks bigger is better is beyond me. The only time it might be ok is if it's the difference between getting a single or double shot, otherwise I'd like to actually taste a little of the coffee coming through. It's been a long time since anyone has offered me a large for the price of a small as I usually am in control of the volume by using my reusable cup. There was only one time that I can think of when I wasn't given a choice and was just handed a large instead of the small I ordered, accompanied with a wink and a, "I've given you a large there for the same price mate." Eeerm, so you've just diluted my coffee with more water? (I'm pretty sure it was a long black). Thanks for nothing.
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    [QUOTE= How any barista thinks bigger is better is beyond me.[/QUOTE]

    Leroy, firstly, you mistakenly assumed a barista served you, secondly you can thank Starbucks for the "bigger is better" concept. (thanks USA!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardC View Post
    Leroy, firstly, you mistakenly assumed a barista served you, secondly you can thank Starbucks for the "bigger is better" concept. (thanks USA!)
    Yeah and probably the US terminology regarding sizes too.

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    Unfortunately the Yanks are responsible for many imperial hangovers into the metric system.

    Being in shipping we refer to 20 & 40 foot containers instead on 6m and 12m respectively. And they come in heights of 8'6" and 9'6".

    We were in the UK approx 8 years ago and you could see the Brits really trying to move to metric particularly with their road signs in both kms and mls but on a recent trip there they've digressed back to mls.

    Interestingly I read somewhere the yanks switched to metric in the late 60's / early 70's but the voter backlash was massive, politicians buckled and they reverted back to imperial dragging much of the western world back with it.

    So for the time being, at least in the coffee world we're going to be stuck with 4oz 8oz 12oz cups, silly but that's the way it is.
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    i only use biodegradable cups. i don't want to be in any way or part, responsible for contributing the millions of coffee cups around the world, thrown away into the bin each day. i would rather make a positive contribution and have my customers complain about a cup that doesn't taste like anything anyway. we all need to be more accountable for what we do. i realise its a commercial decision to buy slightly more expensive cups and some might struggle with that, but the more we buy, the cheaper they must become (that said, i've never seen the rice go down)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LOL View Post
    i only use biodegradable cups. i don't want to be in any way or part, responsible for contributing the millions of coffee cups around the world, thrown away into the bin each day. i would rather make a positive contribution and have my customers complain about a cup that doesn't taste like anything anyway. we all need to be more accountable for what we do. i realise its a commercial decision to buy slightly more expensive cups and some might struggle with that, but the more we buy, the cheaper they must become (that said, i've never seen the rice go down)?
    Are you saying the bio cups you use are tasteless?

    If so, this ticks my boxes ie, convenient, tasteless and biodegradable.

    Would this be the same for all bio cups made here in oz?

    I'm struggling with the reusable concept as I really don't want to be carrying a cup around.

    I hate paper cups for their foul taste and having since discovering on this thread and a little research that paper cups are not recyclable due to the petroleum based plastic lining......didn't know that when I thought I was doing the right thing all these years!
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    Not that I'd know where you'd get it, but the Stojo would solve the 'carrying around a cup' problem a little better than most.

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    Just googled stojo and the concept is good and only $20, seems to only come in 12oz though.

    BPA-free, no phthalates or glues but no mention on taste. Will keep looking.

    1 billion non recyclable paper cups per annum, something to think about.

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    Sounds like someone should develop a process for recycling them...

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    In fact, just went to the website on the bottom of the cup sitting on my desk, and found this: http://www.biopak.com.au/blog/biopak...-cup-challenge
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrJack View Post
    In fact, just went to the website on the bottom of the cup sitting on my desk, and found this: Biopak | Blog
    Great link and good to see something happening. I only hope this does not become a fortnightly talk-fest and also hope they don't invite politicians and govt's who'll only drag out the process.

    Encouraged to see the publish something within weeks.

    As to the BioPak product itself, with a plant based plastic lining, perhaps this product may offer the tasteless solution.

    Is there anyone out there who can confirm this?

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    I wonder why ACT can recycle paper coffee cups but the rest of the country can't?

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    Quote Originally Posted by taco View Post
    I wonder why ACT can recycle paper coffee cups but the rest of the country can't?
    It's the wax coating that causes problems for paper recyclers. The paper content of the cup would be recyclable if there was an effective way of separating the wax layer from it. I'm surprised to hear the ACT accepts them, unless they have some sort of trial process, I wasn't aware of anywhere in this part of the world with those capabilities. I'm intrigued, I might look into it.

    As an aside there's a few places here in NZ now that have helped develop and are using compostable cups. They're only marginally better than disposable cups as they have to go into a certain grade of commercial composting which isn't available in every part of the country. Still, every little bit helps until there's a better solution.

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    They state that the Visy pulp and paper mill at Tumut can separate the plastic liner from the cup.

    C - Household Waste and Recycling

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry O'Speedwagon View Post
    They state that the Visy pulp and paper mill at Tumut can separate the plastic liner from the cup.

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    Yeah just googled that myself. That's awesome. Considering how big Visy are hopefully this capability can spread to most of the urban areas in Australasia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeroyC View Post
    Yeah just googled that myself. That's awesome. Considering how big Visy are hopefully this capability can spread to most of the urban areas in Australasia.
    I suspect it's pretty expensive, and that might be the stumbling block for a lot of local councils. In the ACT there is no lower level of government (i.e. no local councils), and the population is relatively affluent.
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    Are you saying the bio cups you use are tasteless?

    If so, this ticks my boxes ie, convenient, tasteless and biodegradable.

    Would this be the same for all bio cups made here in oz?

    I'm struggling with the reusable concept as I really don't want to be carrying a cup around.

    I hate paper cups for their foul taste and having since discovering on this thread and a little research that paper cups are not recyclable due to the petroleum based plastic lining......didn't know that when I thought I was doing the right thing all these years!
    Have a look at PAC Trading
    https://www.pactrading.com.au/fileup...1478134653.pdf

    Across the top of the .pdf file, they list their environmental qualities, i.e., made from plants, not oil, biodegradable, recyclable, recycled content, etc.

    i think that it's a great narrative to share with your customers, as I do with mine.
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