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    Starbucks’ next move: Italian restaurants

    I get the impression Starbucks are feeling the pressure, shudder to think of what their interpretation of Italian cuisine will be.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...omepage%2Fcard

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    The Yanks on one of my other Forums think Starbucks is 'gourmet coffee' and that dumb Australians who don't tip wouldn't know good food and service if it hit them between the eyes.
    So on that basis Starbucks will probably do really well in the US and not so well anywhere else.

    Here's a sample from one of the Yanks on the subject of tipping and our low Aussie standards:

    "If your server is not expected to do simple things like keeping your glass full, or attending to your table needs, why have a server at all?
    It sounds like you've adapted your expectations to the lower level of service that evolved from a government subsidized (via mandates) salary structure, then taken pride in your poor level of service as a superior Aussie way.
    A tip is a gratuity, not a charity. While both make you feel good, the former has a performance expectation while the latter aids society with no strings attached. If your intent is to support someone, be honest and call it a charity. If your intent is to reward someone for a job well done, then do so generously and call it a tip."

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    I'd rather have a grumpy barista insult me and shove a delicious coffee at me than a friendly barista give me starbucks.

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    Other than those who have worked as a server in the US few US citizens, and hardly anyone from outside the US, understand just what those tips mean to the Servers. In the US Servers are classified as Tipped Employees. As such they are exempt from being paid the Federally mandated minimum cash wage (This is the pay received directly from the employer and does not include tips.), which is currently set at $7.25/hr, by their employer. Instead under Federal law they are required to be paid only $2.13/hr because it is assumed that the difference between that and the mandated minimum wage for the rest of the workers in the country will be made up by tips.

    Only 7 states mandate a minimum cash wage that is equal to or higher than the Federal minimum cash wage. Seven, that's it! All the rest require a lower wage with the assumption that tips will make up the difference so that their servers make the minimum wage. Over a third of the states follow the mandated Federal minimum cash wage for employers to only pay $2.13/hr. If the Server doesn't make enough tips to get to the minimum wage the employer is supposed to make up the difference in pay to the employee. Good luck ever collecting on that additional pay!

    But wait, it gets worse! You are taxed assuming you made the minimum wage even if you didn't! If you have a bad night/week you could end up with a net income of zero or even a negative income after paying taxes! So while in the rest of the developed world a tip is indeed a gratuity in the US it is little more than a subsidy of the employer/business.


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    Well explained Java, and that sort of debate was the essence of the discussion on the other Forum.
    Some US members (most) were firmly convinced that Award Wages were a Commie plot, whilst others were fed up with the lack of any consistency in the process and the variation in the compulsory "tips" and "service charges" that were arbitrarily levied across a range of eating places.
    Some (like the guy I quoted) asserted that the low standards of service in Australia were the result of our socialist system.
    I was tempted to suggest to him that the reason a certain person got elected recently was because a big proportion of citizens felt left out of the capitalist dream.

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    Tipping aside, have to say American food and dietary habits generally are atrocious, eating out is an experience in being served vast amounts of fat and sugar, too much is never enough, having said that, I'm still a bit of a sucker for an American diner breakfast now and again.

    Been over there annually over the past 10 years for a month or so at a time visiting our daughter and her family in MD, initially eating out was an experience we quite enjoyed, didn't take long for the shine to wear off, now we cook at home most of the time, have to say the quality, abundance and price of food in supermarkets is excellent.

    Yes! when we eat out we do tip if the service warrants it, min 15% max 20%, a lot of places in the US now automatically add the tip (gratuity) to the bill, it pays to check, although have been known to chuck a cent on the table when the service was less than stellar.

    Yes, I fully understand the remuneration system is totally different in the US and appreciate that the service staff depend on tips to make ends meet, however, having experienced restaurant dining in both countries I much prefer the Aussie system, yes, we still tip in Australia if the service is above average.

    Back to Starbucks, this is the type of thing you can experience there if your so inclined, makes me shudder thinking about it, I think they serve coffee as well.

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