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Thread: Sydney; Where to learn how to use Silvia? She just spurts—-everywhere!

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    Sydney; Where to learn how to use Silvia? She just spurts—-everywhere!

    Have owned a Rancilio Silvia for about 12 months.
    and a huge Macap commercial grinder , in good , restored condition.
    I can only manage to pull an average shot with the thinnest crema, once every 10/12 tries.
    I’ve checked as many web videos as pos.
    Tried using a reputable, commercial grind from Newcastle’s best supplier.
    The frustration level has mounted considerably.
    I’ve put the grinder in for yet another service/checkout .

    The damn espresso still spurts and bubbles across the benches..
    Thin, bitter, crema-less brews ...

    Do I chuck her out? ( the kerbside collection in two weeks)

    or or is there somewhere in Sydney where I can get my unit checked and at the same time learn, on my unit , what I’m doing wrong and how to correct.
    Most places are more than happy to offer training. On their gear. But that’s not what I’m looking for
    HELP...

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    Tell us something about the beans you are using, age, dose, brand and where purchased?

    Is the group head/screen/portafilter regularly cleaned and chemically back flushed?

    Silvia is not a difficult machine to get good results from once you have your ducks in a row.

    Lots of threads on this forum with valuable information re Silvia, try doing a search.
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    Beans, roasted and ground three days ago, supplier COFFEE CREMA GARAGE NEWCASTLE
    and ground for this machine .
    The head and filter, all cleaned, shiny and sparkling. No blockages to screen etc
    the unit has been cleaned
    it has only been used for approx 200 shots.

    its still frustrating. And seriously contemplating the hard rubbish and another machine .


    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    Tell us something about the beans you are using, age, dose, brand and where purchased?

    Is the group head/screen/portafilter regularly cleaned and chemically back flushed?

    Silvia is not a difficult machine to get good results from once you have your ducks in a row.

    Lots of threads on this forum with valuable information re Silvia, try doing a search.

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    Hi Ihate,

    If I'm reading you correctly, are you buying your beans ground at the time? If so I believe this is most likely the source of your problem. Coffee should be ground fresh for each shot for espresso particularly, as ground coffee goes stale very quickly. Whereas whole roasted beans if stored well should be good for 3-4 weeks. You seem to have a good quality grinder there, any reason you aren't using it?

    I think sourcing a place that will train you using your own equipment is your best bet if after 12 months you're still having issues getting consistent results. You have the gear to make great coffee. Don't do anything drastic like throwing it out!

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    Just re-read your initial post stating coffee spurts over the bench. This obviously shouldn't be happening either. Are you over dosing the portafilter basket? It should lock in firmly to the group head and shouldn't allow coffee to spill over the edges.
    Look up the 5c rule for dosing guidelines. I assume you know how to tamp as well?

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    no. I grind my own
    but as part of discovery, I have bought some fresh, fine grind, specifically for this unit.
    the grind was two days old. Sealed etc.
    i bought pre ground while my commercial is in being rechecked etc. as per my initial,post.

    QUOTE=steiny555;623191]Hi Ihate,

    If I'm reading you correctly, are you buying your beans ground at the time? If so I believe this is most likely the source of your problem. Coffee should be ground fresh for each shot for espresso particularly, as ground coffee goes stale very quickly. Whereas whole roasted beans if stored well should be good for 3-4 weeks. You seem to have a good quality grinder there, any reason you aren't using it?

    I think sourcing a place that will train you using your own equipment is your best bet if after 12 months you're still having issues getting consistent results. You have the gear to make great coffee. Don't do anything drastic like throwing it out!

    Regards,
    Paul[/QUOTE]

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    [loose fill to the top of the head.
    then a tamp to the internal ring level.
    seal brushed clean, no grounds on the top of the head or up under on the seal...all clean and flushed etc

    weird ...



    QUOTE=steiny555;623192]Just re-read your initial post stating coffee spurts over the bench. This obviously shouldn't be happening either. Are you over dosing the portafilter basket? It should lock in firmly to the group head and shouldn't allow coffee to spill over the edges.
    Look up the 5c rule for dosing guidelines. I assume you know how to tamp as well?[/QUOTE]

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    The thin, watery coffee spurts out from the two outlet spouts, not the top of the head.
    The worst result is a spray of about 400mm radius, all over the white marble and white porcelain tiled kitchen...
    I’m not popular ....




    Quote Originally Posted by Ihatesylvia View Post
    [loose fill to the top of the head.
    then a tamp to the internal ring level.
    seal brushed clean, no grounds on the top of the head or up under on the seal...all clean and flushed etc

    weird ...



    QUOTE=steiny555;623192]Just re-read your initial post stating coffee spurts over the bench. This obviously shouldn't be happening either. Are you over dosing the portafilter basket? It should lock in firmly to the group head and shouldn't allow coffee to spill over the edges.
    Look up the 5c rule for dosing guidelines. I assume you know how to tamp as well?
    [/QUOTE]

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    Coffee ground three days ago is now stale.

    Get the Silvia serviced, if you still have problems it's more than likely your technique, do a course so you at least understand the basics of the process.

    It's really not that difficult.

    Have you searched Coffee Snobs for threads on using the Silvia as I suggested in my previous post? there are heaps of them.

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    My request was WHERE do i go for training..
    The resat of my post was an explanation, not a request for fixes.
    I'm more than happy to pay for an expert to sort me/themachine, hence my initial request for training info..


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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    Coffee ground three days ago is now stale.

    Get the Silvia serviced, if you still have problems it's more than likely your technique, do a course so you at least understand the basics of the process.

    It's really not that difficult.

    Have you searched Coffee Snobs for threads on using the Silvia as I suggested in my previous post? there are heaps of them.

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    Jetblack Espresso run training courses in Sydney, i believe you can use your own machine on these courses as well.

    Who rebuilt your grinder? Did they use genuine burrs or aftermarket burrs? Non genuine, aftermarket burrs can sometimes present issues.

    The espresso spraying out like you are mentioning is probably due to extracting with boiling water, a common issue on single boiler machines like the Silvia.
    They overshoot the thermostat cutoff temperature by 10C or so, meaning your extraction can begin at over 100C.
    Easy way to resolve this, prepare your portafilter and have it ready to lock into the machine and extract.
    Switch on the group head and watch the water coming out. It will be hissing and bubbling.
    Wait until it has just stopped hissing and bubbling, switch it off, lock the portafilter into place then switch on the group again to begin extraction.

    Hopefully you should not see any of the spraying anymore. The coffee should improve significantly however it may still be thin and bitter which will be the beans or grinder.
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    This is going to be a good one Yelta.
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    Crema Coffee Garage, the place you mention in post three offer training, as do a number of other places, including TAFE, in the Newcastle area.

    Try this link https://www.google.com.au/search?source=hp&ei=Zb1aWs_oOIOk0ASTvobwBw&q=Espre sso+training+Newcastle&oq=Espresso+training+Newcas tle&gs_l=psy-ab.12...2265.14928.0.18044.27.22.0.5.5.0.236.4646. 2-22.22.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.26.4471...0j0i131k1j0i131i46k1j46i131k1j0i22 i30k1j33i160k1j33i21k1.0.bAvpcJmeJF8

    The principles for espresso extraction are pretty similar regardless of the machine.
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    At the top and bottom of every page you will find a Quote Form button/link. Clicking that will take you to a form that you fill out to request information from the site sponsors. Whatever you ask on that form will be sent to all the site sponsors. If they don't offer the part/machine/service themselves they can no doubt make a suggestion of someone/place that does.


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    As a matter of interest, your not attempting to pull shots with the steam switch on are you?

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    Jetblack would be your nearest Sydney-based sponsor. Give them a call and book some 1:1 training. Take along your machine and grinder so they can also sort out what may be causing your Sylvia to leak. Hopefully it is something easy to fix
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    Quote Originally Posted by Logga View Post
    This is going to be a good one Yelta.
    Perhaps not! seems the OP has gone to ground.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    Perhaps not! seems the OP has gone to ground.
    Just when I was going to get the pop corn out

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    Behmor Brazen - $249 - Free Freight
    Hmmmm .... 1.5 cents worth ..... I have a Silvia (10 years plus now ... still going well) and have installed a PID which removes the surfing aspect, and eliminates any heating over run issues ........ depreciate to 1.0 cents worth ......
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