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    Google coffee machine repairs in Melbourne and you will find the (non-sponsor) outfit who will have your parts.
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    Anybody considering one of these grinders, be aware that the burrs are very hard to track down. The outfit fiorenzato Italy put me onto quoted $480+gst. Genovese graciously allowed me to compare my burrs to kony burrs which were almost the same, but the kony had a smaller hole on the centre burr. So I decided to take a risk and order some Macap MXK burrs from coffee parts and fortunately they fit. Now to run all my failed roasts through to get them seasoned up!

    I should also add that after a full scrape out and vacuum, retention is actually closer to 16 grams. Looks like I'll still be drinking my first coffee of the day with milk
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    For anyone interested , OE are now taking pre-orders for the new updated Pharos hand grinder,

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    OE are now shipping the Pharos 2.

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    I do love a good bargain. Coffee equipment bargains are rare here in NZ, but you stumble on them occasionally. I saw a Compak listed on Facebook the other day with little info and no price. I contacted the seller who told me it was a K6 and she'd be happy with $150. I thought it was worth a look for that. So when I turned up to see a WBC K10 Conical sitting there I was a bit surprised, but more than happy to take it off her hands for $150. It's in pretty good nick too. So I better have a trawl through this thread. Until I do does anyone have any tips for working out if the burrset needs to be replaced?

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    I wouldn't bother, just use it and see what you think. They last a long time, chance are it will go for the rest of your life unless the burrs are actually up for renewal. They last for 600kg of coffee on these big grinders.

    Well done, Leroy, Stephen will be jealous.

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    As per above...

    After giving it a good clean, dial her in and see what the results in the cup are like and that the results are consistent...
    If the results are a bit all over the place, this may indicate that a significant proportion of fines are being produced and that the burrs may need replacing. Can't go wrong though at that price....

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    Quote Originally Posted by wattgn View Post
    I wouldn't bother, just use it and see what you think. They last a long time, chance are it will go for the rest of your life unless the burrs are actually up for renewal. They last for 600kg of coffee on these big grinders.

    Well done, Leroy, Stephen will be jealous.
    Stephen tells me he's saving for a Behmor, so I don't think he'll be too bothered. He's caught the home roasting bug!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dimal View Post
    As per above...

    After giving it a good clean, dial her in and see what the results in the cup are like and that the results are consistent...
    If the results are a bit all over the place, this may indicate that a significant proportion of fines are being produced and that the burrs may need replacing. Can't go wrong though at that price....

    Mal.
    For sure Mal. I pulled it apart and gave it a good clean last night. Holy moly!!! It's like new!! I almost feel a bit bad for paying so little. I'm sure I'll get over that though. I had a laugh. Check it out-





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    Wow good score alright. Are you going to use it for home or sell it for a huge profit

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    Nice work - and great find!
    Enjoy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Logga View Post
    Wow good score alright. Are you going to use it for home or sell it for a huge profit
    I'm planning on setting up a semi-mobile coffee cart/stall that I can carry round in the back of my car. I was gonna use my K8 Silenzio from home but this might work better.

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    Way to go, I don't think I could handle the public like that. You would sell coffee at markets, sport grounds, side of the road sort of thing.

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    Large Conical Grinder Users Group...

    Quote Originally Posted by Logga View Post
    Way to go, I don't think I could handle the public like that. You would sell coffee at markets, sport grounds, side of the road sort of thing.
    Won't be a regular thing, just special events like school fairs, markets, country shows. In North Canterbury alone there's something on pretty much every weekend from September through till Easter.

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    Wonderful job there again mate....

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    borosilicate tube
    Pyrex eh?
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    Hey all,

    A few weeks ago I found myself the owner of a San Marco SMFK grinder. I had been using a Compak K3 for the last 6 years or so without any problems. I really only bought it to get a faster/quieter grind, I had no taste expectations. With 2 kids <3y.o. on that rare morning they are asleep while I'm getting ready for work the speed/noise point is crucial!

    But the quality of shots was a real surprise, I wasn't really expecting to be able to notice any significant change to the cup. But it's really impressed me with the improvement in quality it can deliver over such a wide range of dosing.

    My wife has a different taste to me, she prefers an underdosed espresso (relatively speaking, still 12ish grams in a double) on milk and I prefer a slightly overdosed brew (14-15g), usually black, or a ristretto from a triple basket. To get these 3 different styles out of the K3 it would take tweaking the grind, fluffing and polishing the basket to get rid of clumping and to avoid channeling, and even then if I got a 50% 'great shot' success rate I'd be happy. Then, over the course of the 7-10 days it takes me to go through a bag of beans I'd adjust the grind another 2-3 times. So, after a few years of this, I stopped using the triple much, I stopped fluffing the grinds and just dosed to 11-12 grams because these were easier to get consistently good shots.

    Now, with the SM, I can use the same grind with the double basket or triple, change the dosing to suit and the pours are awesome. I'll *maybe* change it once as the beans age. It's almost impossible to mess up, the consistency of great shots (without any added rigmarole) is mindblowing to me.

    The only downsides so far is the added mess and waste of the doser and the fact that I don't tolerate more than 5-6 coffees a day very well.

    Super happy with the upgrade
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    Quote Originally Posted by liamo View Post
    Hey all,

    A few weeks ago I found myself the owner of a San Marco SMFK grinder. I had been using a Compak K3 for the last 6 years or so without any problems. I really only bought it to get a faster/quieter grind, I had no taste expectations. With 2 kids <3y.o. on that rare morning they are asleep while I'm getting ready for work the speed/noise point is crucial!

    But the quality of shots was a real surprise, I wasn't really expecting to be able to notice any significant change to the cup. But it's really impressed me with the improvement in quality it can deliver over such a wide range of dosing.

    My wife has a different taste to me, she prefers an underdosed espresso (relatively speaking, still 12ish grams in a double) on milk and I prefer a slightly overdosed brew (14-15g), usually black, or a ristretto from a triple basket. To get these 3 different styles out of the K3 it would take tweaking the grind, fluffing and polishing the basket to get rid of clumping and to avoid channeling, and even then if I got a 50% 'great shot' success rate I'd be happy. Then, over the course of the 7-10 days it takes me to go through a bag of beans I'd adjust the grind another 2-3 times. So, after a few years of this, I stopped using the triple much, I stopped fluffing the grinds and just dosed to 11-12 grams because these were easier to get consistently good shots.

    Now, with the SM, I can use the same grind with the double basket or triple, change the dosing to suit and the pours are awesome. I'll *maybe* change it once as the beans age. It's almost impossible to mess up, the consistency of great shots (without any added rigmarole) is mindblowing to me.

    The only downsides so far is the added mess and waste of the doser and the fact that I don't tolerate more than 5-6 coffees a day very well.

    Super happy with the upgrade
    Sounds awesome. Can't wait to get my K10 Coni into service.

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    Quote Originally Posted by liamo View Post
    The only downsides so far is the added mess and waste of the doser
    Hmmm...

    That's quite unusual for an LSM Doser Grinder in my experience...
    Out of the various Doser grinders I've owned/used over the years, the LSM was by far and away the best Doser I've ever used. Swept perfectly clean, not even a single granule left behind and with the chute-guard out of the way, it was a piece of cake to sweep the chute out and then dose that small amount into the filter basket for a perfectly clean result at the end of a coffee session...

    Maybe the Doser just needs a little maintenance to get performance back to where it would normally be...

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    It's not messy per se. I used a home made funnel that sat on the basket when using the K3, this avoided any grinds flowing over the basket and spilling onto the bench. There's not enough room to fit the funnel under the doser on the LSM so a very small amount of grinds tend to spill over if I'm not careful. Nothing that I should be complaining about

    You mention moving the chute guard out of the way, what's the advantage of this? Is it an easy thing to do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by liamo View Post
    It's not messy per se. I used a home made funnel that sat on the basket when using the K3, this avoided any grinds flowing over the basket and spilling onto the bench. There's not enough room to fit the funnel under the doser on the LSM so a very small amount of grinds tend to spill over if I'm not careful. Nothing that I should be complaining about

    You mention moving the chute guard out of the way, what's the advantage of this? Is it an easy thing to do?
    Grab one of these - http://www.talkcoffee.com.au/shop/oe...dosing-funnel/


    Relatively cheap and should fit under your doser outlet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeroyC View Post
    Grab one of these - OE Stainless Steel 58mm Dosing Funnel


    Relatively cheap and should fit under your doser outlet.
    Nice, that does look quite a bit shorter than my bodge. Thanks for the link

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    Quote Originally Posted by liamo View Post
    You mention moving the chute guard out of the way, what's the advantage of this? Is it an easy thing to do?
    Yes mate, it's quite straight forward but if you know a Sparky, best to let him/her to do it for you as it requires some simple wiring reconnection and insulation...

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    I have had my Mazzer Robur for almost ten days now. My wife wants me to sell it but may be getting used to it.

    I love it. The grind appearance is fluffy, no clumps. It is easy to adjust with very little retention and I am deciding I like the hopper.

    I did one comparison with my Macap M4D and although the grind clumps a little and seems a bit more sticky, both the pour and the flavour are the same.

    The 3 or 4 second grind times are impressive. Wastage is more than the M4D but is still minimal.

    A lot has been said about the superior nature of conical burrs. Certainly retention is minimal and the straight vertical path makes more sense than for flat burrs. The grind is very powdery and clump and is impressive.

    Definitely the grind is so powdery that even distribution in the portafilter is easy to achieve and no magic technique is required I just fill to top and run my finger along the top before tamping.

    Flavour is a tough one as it will vary with roast. I am sure that some people can pick the differences and I will try again.

    I love this grinder though and I can see why people love these big conical. I'm not sure just why I love this grinder but I do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wattgn View Post
    I have had my Mazzer Robur for almost ten days now. My wife wants me to sell it but may be getting used to it.

    I love it. The grind appearance is fluffy, no clumps. It is easy to adjust with very little retention and I am deciding I like the hopper.

    I did one comparison with my Macap M4D and although the grind clumps a little and seems a bit more sticky, both the pour and the flavour are the same.

    The 3 or 4 second grind times are impressive. Wastage is more than the M4D but is still minimal.

    A lot has been said about the superior nature of conical burrs. Certainly retention is minimal and the straight vertical path makes more sense than for flat burrs. The grind is very powdery and clump and is impressive.

    Definitely the grind is so powdery that even distribution in the portafilter is easy to achieve and no magic technique is required I just fill to top and run my finger along the top before tamping.

    Flavour is a tough one as it will vary with roast. I am sure that some people can pick the differences and I will try again.

    I love this grinder though and I can see why people love these big conical. I'm not sure just why I love this grinder but I do.
    The lack of clumping in the grinds will be at least partly due to the doser. Dosers have their downsides, but a big upside is definitely their ability to loosed up the grinds a bit.
    And you're right, sometimes the difference in flavour won't be all that noticeable depending on the coffee used. I found that something bright and sweet like say a Guatemalan or Kenyan showed a more noticeable difference in flavour between the burr types than say a typical Brazilian or an espresso blend.
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    Hi Leroy:

    Hi to you in Christchurch. My brother is still happily using your grinder...

    He has turned into a roasting fanatic, writes everything down, very detailed. He enjoys his Behmoor and your advice on the same. I'm using my Hottop I have had for 12 years.

    I have changed my mind about dosers. Maybe they are not quite as convenient for single dosing as doserless but as you say they have advantages too. I was looking at a brand new Robur $1500 here with shipping from ebay, doser model. Doserless model can't get it cheaper than $2500. Pretty much the same unit so they're making their money on the doserless.

    Mind you there is nothing wrong with this unit but I was considering buying a brand new one if I can get a good enough price for this one and the Macap M4D. It is huge but I love it. I should probably wait a month or two for the gadget love honeymoon to wear off...

    I was also considering the Gorilla burrs but it does seem obscene paying nearly $500 for a set of burrs when you can pick up a decent grinder second hand for $150.

    I am sold on the concept of conical grinders, it just seems logical to have slow rpm, less heat and a direct vertical path utilising gravity. I'm not so sure about flavour but that is a work in progress too. As you say it may be noticeable on some roasts not others.

    I generally take my roasts to 205C for my espresso after 1st crack but before 2nd crack starts. At this point, not much in the way of oils have been lost if any and I don't get burnt or bitter. The 3rd wave of roasting seems to be GREEN some people not even waiting for 1st crack to finish. I would keep a crucifix handy if I see this happening. Seriously I guess so what if it tastes good in the cup but it would completely alter the grinding characteristics as well as the flavour profile, the beans will be more green and flexible rather than brittle so the effect on grind would be profound and maybe a conical would do a much better job on such roasts but I don't know. My pockets aren't bottomless. If I were to experiment with a flat burr again, it would be a Mazzer Major with 83mm burrs. I believe in big with these things.
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    hi wattgn. i recently tried to get a little hip and tried a "light" roast. for me this meant puling stuff at 1st crack or rolling crack. i was amazed at the brain puckering sourness when doing this, even with me manipulating temp of coffee machine to minimise it. as far as i can tell coffee needs to be cooked a certain amount at a minimum and any transgression will be punished with major sourness. maybe different varietals account for it but it seems impossible otherwise to me that something drinkable could come from a roast pulled prior to FC (or even at FC for that matter).

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    oh and i should mention i used a kony for the grind. my "experiment" indicated to me that under roasted beans can't be rescued; regardless of the grinder used (and if a kony can't, what can?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrgray View Post
    oh and i should mention i used a kony for the grind. my "experiment" indicated to me that under roasted beans can't be rescued; regardless of the grinder used (and if a kony can't, what can?)
    Yes, it may be the roasting pendulum has swung a bit green. I'm happy where I set my roasting endpoint. How do you find the Kony? I like the Robur I might even sell and buy a new Kony or Robur. It will be a Doser model.

    I am interested in your experience. You can PM if you wish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wattgn View Post
    Hi Leroy:

    Hi to you in Christchurch. My brother is still happily using your grinder...

    He has turned into a roasting fanatic, writes everything down, very detailed. He enjoys his Behmoor and your advice on the same. I'm using my Hottop I have had for 12 years.

    I have changed my mind about dosers. Maybe they are not quite as convenient for single dosing as doserless but as you say they have advantages too. I was looking at a brand new Robur $1500 here with shipping from ebay, doser model. Doserless model can't get it cheaper than $2500. Pretty much the same unit so they're making their money on the doserless.

    If I were to experiment with a flat burr again, it would be a Mazzer Major with 83mm burrs. I believe in big with these things.
    I must catch up with Stephen. Our schedules don't really align anymore so I haven't seen much of him lately. He uses the roast log sheet that I designed to log his roasts as it works well for the Behmor and by all accounts is very happy.
    Also do you realise the Compak K8 that he bought from me is an 83mm flat burr grinder with a 600rpm motor? Awesome grinder that I was able to compare side by side with my K10 before I sold it to him. The K10 is similar to the Robur, but probably a bit bigger. I use it without its hopper which hides its true size a bit. And like the Mazzers you can still buy the same model - Compak K10 WBC doser grinder brand new from Jetblack for around $1800, but it's doserless counterparts are all well over $2000. That's to be expected I guess as electronics are expensive, but it isn't always worth spending the extra $$ depending on your situation.

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    I remember it was a good grinder with big flat burrs but Stephen has no idea even what the model is. He went from crap to epic. It is similar to the Major. I gather it has more retention than the conical like the K10. The old K10 s can be picked up cheap as looks wise they not great but underneath fantastic as you know. I am a fan of the conical she now. Next stop might be a Kony but considering keeping the Robur, it is superb.

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    Espresso Mechanics

    Espresso Mechanics have. Two day sale 15/16th September.

    Great prices...

    Robur $1000
    Kony $675

    Insane really. Company is owned by Cerebos.
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    Those prices are crazy! How did you get on their mailing list for the sale, and is it normally available to members of the public?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wattgn View Post
    Espresso Mechanics have. Two day sale 15/16th September.

    Great prices...

    Robur $1000
    Kony $675

    Insane really. Company is owned by Cerebos.
    I live just around the corner from them in Seven Hills. I'll shoot them an email and see what the deal is.

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    Just bought a birthday present for me - Eureka Atom.
    Thanks Wattgn!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enigk View Post
    Just bought a birthday present for me - Eureka Atom.
    Thanks Wattgn!
    Happy Birthday buddy. Enjoy.

    Yup. Crazy deals. They really do mean to clear out their warehouse and no doubt will.

    They originally listed on ebay and had 10 Roburs for sale but sold only one even though they were for $1500 which is already a great price. The listing then was ended and I posted them to complain and got advance notice of the sale.

    I debated whether to advise members and be in good with fellow CS members or risk the potential wrath of sponsors.

    I decided I didn't want to be a member who got a great deal but kept it secret.

    I cracked...like a boiled egg, so slice me and serve me with a nice gourmet lettuce, tomatoes, some anchovies, avocado and some nice Paul Newman salad dressing.

    Overall, this is just one sale. My bet is that there is less than 100 units or so of everything they have for sale on the list and some things will be a better deal than others. The sale items sharply priced will disappear within a few hours, my bet. It will then be all over with a few hopefully happy faces on CS...
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    insane prices. any idea if they've got other stuff coming up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodhouse View Post
    insane prices. any idea if they've got other stuff coming up?
    Obviously no idea. I doubt if they have either.

    It is just a one off to clear stock for whatever the reasons are.

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    If I were a site sponsor I would buy off their discounted stock and sell it for a handsome profit!

    Quote Originally Posted by wattgn View Post
    Happy Birthday buddy. Enjoy.

    Yup. Crazy deals. They really do mean to clear out their warehouse and no doubt will.

    They originally listed on ebay and had 10 Roburs for sale but sold only one even though they were for $1500 which is already a great price. The listing then was ended and I posted them to complain and got advance notice of the sale.

    I debated whether to advise members and be in good with fellow CS members or risk the potential wrath of sponsors.

    I decided I didn't want to be a member who got a great deal but kept it secret.

    I cracked...like a boiled egg, so slice me and serve me with a nice gourmet lettuce, tomatoes, some anchovies, avocado and some nice Paul Newman salad dressing.

    Overall, this is just one sale. My bet is that there is less than 100 units or so of everything they have for sale on the list and some things will be a better deal than others. The sale items sharply priced will disappear within a few hours, my bet. It will then be all over with a few hopefully happy faces on CS...

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    Note that those prices are excluding gst
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    I should be going there tomorrow if anyone wants anything PM me.

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    What a sale! I was worried about the stock they would have left by the time I got there after work today, but I shouldn't have been worried, I left with 3 Atoms and there was still 3.5 pallets of them I could see. Friendly people with a free BBQ set up, gave me a coffee and once we got chatting they asked if I wanted to play with their machine (Mythos 1 and a machine that looks vaguely familiar but they were both rebranded as something I wasn't too familiar with). One of the guys was saying how Eurekas have a bad reputation from the Mignon because they're rubbish and they even threw out half a pallet of them because it cost less to write them off than to deal with the warranty claims. But the Atoms are nothing like that and are built more like the commercial ones Eureka makes for other people. Would happily deal with them again.
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    Wow.

    They have made a few friends by the sounds!

    I'm pleased it worked out for you and you got what you wanted. It is great when you can deal,with straight shooters like that who are obviously interested in their craft and genuinely friendly.

    I was surprised really that it was such a good sale. Either they did it to clear stock or simply to promote their business or both.

    I now have to wait for my shipment of the Robur which will probably take a few weeks but we will see.

    Cheers Michael. Well done and great feedback.

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    They said the parent company wanted to clear some slow moving stock, and to never expect those prices again!

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    Quote Originally Posted by level3ninja View Post
    They said the parent company wanted to clear some slow moving stock, and to never expect those prices again!
    Well that sux!! I had a laugh.

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    Thor my Robur (soon to be renewed)

    The sale was short and sweet. I agonised between Robur, Kony and Major but I have the Robur and I love it so I thought, a brand new one at the price of an Atom at normal retail.

    I love BIG and my wife finally has got used to it's presence in the kitchen and it fits fine, well a bit tight.

    The reason I love these machines is that they go forever. This Robur was made in 2010, July, according to Mazzer. The cafe owner claims she has had it for two years from new and at 20kg per week that is at least 2000kg of coffee. Let's face, it is more likely 7000kg or more which is 35000 double shots. It has a few dings in the front where people have banged portafilter handles against it but otherwise works perfectly. She has replaced a few springs in the doser and put blades in at least on set per year I would presume.

    They are also amazingly easy to pull apart as I said in my other thread I just started and do a double shot in 3 seconds or so (obviously depending on burrs, fineness of grind, bean etc).

    Edit: This isn't a sales pitch for this machine as it is being sold elsewhere, just an opinion on a Robur.
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    New Robur from EM Sale

    I sold the used Robur for what I paid for it.

    I got my NEW ROBUR from Espresso Mechanics today for a truly amazing price.

    What an awesome machine.

    The hardest part was when I set the wheel to 2.5 (used before on the used Robur) it was an insanely fine turkish grind even though true zero (where the burrs touched) was past zero and half way to nine so I was no way close to the burrs touching.

    I thought that the grind was slow too but it was due to the fine grind.

    I then compared the grind to the Macap M4D and that helped but I was surprised how fine the control was which is that I had to turn it a lot to get relatively fine changes. This is a good thing and means I will have very fine control of the espresso. I ended up on 7.5 on the dial using my IMS basket which I put 20grams in.

    Yes, the espresso tastes great but it is hard to make side by side comparisons.

    Aside from the obvious fact it is built to last 50 years, I am stunned by the fine control achievable. I also think the urban myth of Mazzer Robur burrs is, if not totally untrue, then irrelevant as I am getting great results after only putting through several hundred grams or so trying to dial it in. I also think my old Robur had worn burrs in need of replacement as the fine level of control wasn't there. It would change quite a bit from adjustment notch to notch although it still produced great coffee.

    The difference between this and prosumer models such as the Macap M4D, Atom etc, if not taste (subjective), is the extremely fine grind achievable, the fine control of the pour achievable and very rapid grind times. Of course, you can pump out shots using the grinder very quickly without much if any heat build up, something not achievable with prosumer models. My Macap as much as I love it is not in this class but then it too does great espresso and the worm drive makes fine control possible as well, even if not quite up to the Robur. Prosumer models are however made to fit into an average kitchen, look like they belong in a kitchen and don't take up too much space.

    I find with the Robur too like the used one that really there is very little wastage or retention contrary to the common wisdom on such things. I am not saying if you want it clean as a whistle between shots, it will be as easy in that regard as prosumer models that are made almost solely with single dosing in mind. The amount of wastage however is small.

    This looks like it will last for 50 years and most likely it will and that is what makes this truly special in the world of grinders.

    You just have to get over the 28kg of machine but it is also part of the charm...
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