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    Less fines mightnt be great for espresso but may provide an edge in other brewing methods... interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7C736B7A6B6E6B0A0 link=1288871951/85#85 date=1292396135
    Less fines mightnt be great for espresso but may provide an edge in other brewing methods... interesting.
    Turkish? Maybe.

    The BNZ produced 1% fines (undesirable). The Breville produced less than 0.1gm of fines (desirable).

    You do however need to consider the whole picture. Results from each sieve and those that are the closest overall match of the desirable distribution are the ideal.


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    Thanks for the additional information.

    So your testing presumably use various graded sieves to determine particle size. Simple but effective, within a certain margin of error.

    Will do some more reading and also have a look at your graph on a better screen than my phone - hard to see the difference between desirable and BNZ on the small screen

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    Re: Breville BCG800 Smart Grinder

    Quote Originally Posted by 3E3638303228283438305B0 link=1288871951/87#87 date=1292413529
    Simple but effective, within a certain margin of error.
    Me...make an error? How dare you! ;D

    http://www.coffeeroasters.com.au/products-info.php?id=323


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    Quote Originally Posted by 697F7A7A6B69656C6C6F6F0A0 link=1288871951/88#88 date=1292451499
    http://www.coffeeroasters.com.au/products-info.php?id=323
    Holy Cow, you have one of those???

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    Re: Breville BCG800 Smart Grinder

    Any chance of running it against a cheap grinder for comparison ie sunbeam 450? This would give us really useful benchmark.

    I understand you probably dont have one sitting in the back room but I can but ask!! ;)

    Brett

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    Re: Breville BCG800 Smart Grinder

    Quote Originally Posted by 7C747C7B7177150 link=1288871951/89#89 date=1292456176
    Quote Originally Posted by 697F7A7A6B69656C6C6F6F0A0 link=1288871951/88#88 date=1292451499
    http://www.coffeeroasters.com.au/products-info.php?id=323
    Holy Cow, you have one of those???
    Yessirreebob! :)

    Quote Originally Posted by 7779747B6C7A7B150 link=1288871951/90#90 date=1292468629
    Any chance of running it against a cheap grinder for comparison ie sunbeam 450?
    I have a thing about Sunbeam, and as far as I know, they have no real interest in product development. Besides, the truth of the matter is that these tests take more than an hour of my time, which could be spent doing things that keep me in business...so probably not.


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    Re: Breville BCG800 Smart Grinder

    I was just looking for a cheap grinder comparison and was using the sunbeam as an example. I understand your time is valuable just thought it would be good to see on the scale a comparison with a grinder on the bottom end of the scale as well as the top end with the BNZ.

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    Re: Breville BCG800 Smart Grinder

    Quote Originally Posted by 515F525D4A5C5D330 link=1288871951/92#92 date=1292473933
    I was just looking for a cheap grinder comparison and was using the sunbeam as an example. I understand your time is valuable just thought it would be good to see on the scale a comparison with a grinder on the bottom end of the scale as well as the top end with the BNZ.

    Brett
    Fair enough. The answer is still no. There are too many other grinders on my hit list. ;)


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    Re: Breville BCG800 Smart Grinder

    Quote Originally Posted by 3721242435373B32323131540 link=1288871951/93#93 date=1292474974
    Fair enough.The answer is still no.There are too many other grinders on my hit list. ;)
    let us know if you do get around to testing another grinder - Id be interested to see the results :) ... unless its a seekwit!

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    Re: Breville BCG800 Smart Grinder

    Just purchased the Breville BCG800 Smart Grinder before I left for holidays to Adelaide (would have been nice to pack it in the suit case, but my wife over-ruled and put Christmas presents in there instead). Have been very, very happy with it in the short amount of time Ive used it...still have lots and lots of playing to do with it, but so far Im extremely happy with it.

    It provides a really consistent grind and my lattes are generally also of a higher standard now!

    Now to upgrade the Espresso machine...oh what to get, what to get!? So many choices ;D

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    Re: Breville BCG800 Smart Grinder

    Quick question.. so are you guys saying that for those of us considering an upgrade to a Rocky shouldnt bother, but to get this one instead?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5055505159543C0 link=1288871951/96#96 date=1292486765
    Quick question.. so are you guys saying that for those of us considering an upgrade to a Rocky shouldnt bother, but to get this one instead?

    The Rocky has stood the test of time and has earned its rep as a quality grinder that will last, we can only speculate about the Breville BCG800.

    I am probably not one of the guys you were asking but thats how I see it.

    For a little more $ you can certainly get a real upgrade from the Rocky.


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    Re: Breville BCG800 Smart Grinder

    Agree with your comments ryjodal, though if my budget was no more than $500, Id buy the Breville over a Rocky doserless (I dont like the doser model at all). The Rocky is however much noisier and doesnt have the features of the Breville.

    If I had a maximum budget of $600, Id opt for the K3T without hesitation, and should get some change out of that.

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    Re: Breville BCG800 Smart Grinder

    Being an early adopter has some risk and it seems likely that other grinders will have the advanced electronic controls fitted in the next few years if the Breville is successful.

    It is also likely that if you wait a few years that even Breville will come up with something better.

    But how long do want to wait?

    After all you cant take the money to save with you when you die

    Certainly it looks very good if you adjust your griding settings often.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 545F5E6F5E5159425E300 link=1288871951/99#99 date=1292587200
    Being an early adopter has some risk and it seems likely that other grinders will have the advanced electronic controls fitted in the next few years if the Breville is successful.
    I think theres more to the Breville than the electronic control alone though. The Burr-Set looks to be a pretty decently manufactured component.

    More than likely, it will come down to the mechanical integrity of key components as having the most effect on longevity, such as the gear-set, bearings and what have you. We wont know anything about this side of things for quite some time I would imagine; which is probably a good thing for those people buying one.... ;)

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    Re: Breville BCG800 Smart Grinder

    I am getting my economist crystal ball and suggesting if the electronic control is popular that the heavy commercial grinder manufactures will adopt the technology as well.

    Or ids the breville just as good as a European made girder.

    Is it the quality made in China product that everybody who has a mortgage has dreamt about?

    I have a Canon digital SLR camera that is made in China so they can make stuff as good as anybody if the people running the factory want to.


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    Re: Breville BCG800 Smart Grinder

    Quote Originally Posted by 212A2B1A2B242C372B450 link=1288871951/101#101 date=1292671871
    am getting my economist crystal ball and suggesting if the electronic control is popular that the heavy commercial grinder manufactures will adopt the technology as well. *
    Ill pop my supplier hat on and get the horse out in front of the cart again pentaque..

    They have been doing so for quite some time...

    Mazzer, Macap, Compak, Mahlkonig et al all have timed doserless grinders ;)

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    Re: Breville BCG800 Smart Grinder

    My newness to the coffee scene is showing :-[

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    Re: Breville BCG800 Smart Grinder

    What sort of motor is in the BCG800? Is it an induction motor, or carbon brush/commutator? That would certainly affect longevity.

    Just curious - I dont plan on changing anytime soon, having just upgraded from a BCG450.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 646F6E5F6E6169726E000 link=1288871951/101#101 date=1292671871

    Or ids the breville just as good as a European made girder.



    Yep, okay I know it is childish to point this particular question out but,

    It really is quite funny ;D

    I think Chris from Talk Coffee did amazingly well ;)

    ...and Ill just slink away now... :D

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    Re: Breville BCG800 Smart Grinder

    Am I showing my age if I say 40 odd years ago everything that was made in Japan was rubbish.

    Now there are quite a number of high quality products that are made in Japan.

    Will China follow this trend?

    Probably the only question is when it will happen.

    How good is the Breville BCG800 Smart Grinder?

    I would be shocked if it is the best grinder commercially available (how do you define best) but it appears to offer good value and is better than the grinders many people own.

    Will sunbeam make a grinder to compete with the Breville BCG800?

    I donít know but it seem if sunbeam donít they will be left behind

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4B404170414E465D412F0 link=1288871951/106#106 date=1292759969
    I would be shocked if it is the best grinder commercially available
    I would be shocked too! Its a very good domestic grinder and not intended for commercial use.

    Quote Originally Posted by 4B404170414E465D412F0 link=1288871951/106#106 date=1292759969
    I donít know but it seem if sunbeam donít they will be left behind
    I think thats already happened. ;)


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    Re: Breville BCG800 Smart Grinder

    Can someone take photos of the burrset? Curious to see if it is really any better than the 0480?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 435847505D0900310 link=1288871951/108#108 date=1292810312
    Can someone take photos of the burrset? Curious to see if it is really any better than the 0480?
    Already been done - take a look at page 1 of this thread. If you can tell whether a burr set is better than another from a photo Ill be very impressed.


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    Re: Breville Smart Grinder

    I recently purchased 2 BCG80s... one for regular and one for decaf. They seem to handle regular okay, at least for one blend. Im having a lot of trouble with decaf (and one other drier blend)... and though they are freshly roasted beans from a reputable source, I just cant get fine enough. Even overdosing and tamping HARD wont do it. Whats worse, is that especially on the finest setting, there is an awful, electrical motor burning smell happening. This also happens on the regular coffee grinder which is about 3 settings from the finest, but not as bad. I have emailed Breville, but am yet to hear back from them. This smell occurs when only grinding 2 shots worth... that is, Im definitely not overloading the machine.

    My general thoughts on electronic dosing (timed) grinders is that they are overrated, and this is not just from my experience of the above. I think that the most important thing in coffee making is consistency. At first glance it would seem that a tool such as a timed grinder would be the last word in repeatability, it is actually not so straight forward in practice. I think that Ive come to the conclusion that it is far easier to slightly overfill the basket, and use one of the many methods available for redistributing and levelling before tamping. Whatever method is chosen, stick to it, and you will get consistent results. The only variables (for preparing the puck) are then grind and tamp pressure. If you can control your tamp pressure, either through tools such as a scale or a click-tamp, you are then only left to change the grind settings. If my point hasnt been clear, I would just say that in the end, a doserless grinder will give you equally consistent results as a timed one - you just need to decide on a method and stick to it. I purchased the timed grinder thinking it would help only to find that it isnt really all that important.

    Lastly, I just want to say that I run a coffee club at my work where we have about 12 members using a Sunbeam EM0450 pretty much all day. It has been in continual use for the past 3 years, and weve not had any problems with it. In a domestic situation, I would say it would last for many, many years more. My point with this is that I think the argument that a value grinder wont last very long may not be as strong as some people may imagine. In my experience, the Sunbeams are built to last. Cant comment yet on the Breville, but with that burning smell... who knows.



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    Hi JavaJosh, I work for Breville as a coffee specialist. I havent received any email from you as yet. What address did you use? You can email me directly.

    Cheers, Phil

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5B5047505B5E4259310 link=1289878046/15#15 date=1293110283
    I purchased the timed grinder thinking it would help only to find that it isnt really all that important.

    I bought a timed grinder and find a major advantage that it has is minimising waste.

    As for repeatability, well, the grinder mechanism itself provides that, and from all I have read from experienced people here, the Breville sounds pretty good for the price.

    I dont think the timer is the key to repeatability.

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    Re: Breville Smart Grinder

    If it doesnt work, why dont you just take it back and get them to swap it over? It comes with a 12 month replacement guarantee after all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4368656D697374727931323334000 link=1289878046/18#18 date=1293160375
    If it doesnt work, why dont you just take it back and get them to swap it over? It comes with a 12 month replacement guarantee after all.
    Ill speak to Phil first... maybe theres a settling period. If not, I will take them back. I dont think its a fault though.... it happens with both machines. ie both smell, and the inability to grind the drier blends fine enough.



    Quote Originally Posted by 636B737964000 link=1289878046/17#17 date=1293153927
    and from all I have read from experienced people here, the Breville sounds pretty good for the price.
    Maybe... but have they actually used one? Most of what I have read has been theoretical.

    Would love to hear some actual experiences though!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 363D2A3D36332F345C0 link=1289878046/19#19 date=1293160735

    Maybe... but have they actually used one? Most of what I have read has been theoretical.

    Would love to hear some actual experiences though!

    Not quite jj........

    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1288871951

    Replies 2 and 5 of particular note...

    and

    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1203772677/12#10

    That looks like actual experience to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 636B737964000 link=1289878046/20#20 date=1293164584
    That looks like actual experience to me.
    Well... yes. Actually, I had already read those before purchasing, and that is what convinced me to buy them!

    I suppose it is possible that I have 2 faulty grinders that give off acrid electrical burning smells at their finest settings, and dont grind fine enough at that. In fact I am hoping that they are faulty because if they arent, then I suspect Breville will have many upset customers out there... especially the ones grinding decaf (which necessarily have to be ground finer due to their drier/less oily nature). I suspect that I am the only one to be grinding on the finest settings in the discussions so far, and if there is anyone who could give their own unit a grind on the finest 2 or 3 settings, Id like to hear your experience. ie Is there any acrid smell coming from the unit?






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    We have been decaff drinkers every night since 2006 when we joined C.S. Since we got our Breville Smart Grinder on 19/11 we have continued this tradition and we have no problems at all with the grinder. We are very happy with our grinder. [smiley=thumbsup.gif] We have given it a good workout each day. In the course of a day we may grind for aeropress, "normal coffees", Otto and decaff at night. We use up to 4 beans in a blend in the a.m. cups. We have used Chriss blend, Di Bella roasts and our home roasted C.S. beans through the Breville. It is great not to have the coffee grinds waste we had with our previoous grinder. All is well. So sad to see that some folks are having problems. Then this happens with cars etc also.

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    Re: Breville BCG800 Smart Grinder

    Hi, just wondering about the BCG800s dimensions - cant find measurements anywhere, even on Brevilles own web site. Im particularly interested in the height, since the kitchen area it would be destined for is under a cupboard. Thanks, Deborah

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    Re: Breville Smart Grinder

    Well, my awesome family bought me one of these for xmas.

    Ive just made my first brew with it, and am extremely happy. *I ground at about 21 on the scale, for a stovetop Moka coffeemaker. *Came out lovely and fine, looking just like I get when Ive ordered preground coffee. *Certainly no hint of the electrical smell Josh reported above (but maybe I wasnt grinding as finely as him?).

    Build quality feels very solid. *Whats really impressed me right off though, is just how clean this thing is. *Beans -> hopper, grind just what I need, pour into Moka. *And I cant find a single sign of grinding anywhere on my bench :-)

    Anyway, Im coming from a crappy spice grinder style abomination, so its hardly surprising Id be impressed. *Will have to report back with more info over time.

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    Welcome "encoderboy"..... [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

    Thats a terrific Xmas present for a budding CoffeeSnob; what a great family youve got there...

    Happy brewing mate :D 8-)

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    Re: Breville BCG800 Smart Grinder

    I just got an Simonelli Oscar paired with a Smart Grinder for xmas from the mrs, tried running thru some Veneziano Bond St beans, double basket, setting 3rd last line from end espresso with 1-2 on the strength scale, seemed to underextract, 2nd last was better, will play around with it more tomorrow, hopefully I can get it right (first time machine/grinder) and not have to take it back and get the K3T.

    Grind didnt clump, felt a little warm to touch but not too much to worry about, im thinking it may not be grinding fine enough for espresso?

    Then again i need to get a proper tamp (been using the plastic supplied one which it crapola)

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    Hi CafffeineJunkie
    Keep trying with your grind settings. We have had our BCG800 for over a month now and we are really happy with it. Yes we had to take the time to find the correct grinds for the various beans we use and the varied kinds of coffees we drink. It did take time with experimenting and evaluating. But we are enjoying fantastic coffees as a result. As you say you also need to get yourself a decent tamper and then you can continue on the road to more great coffee adventures. :)

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    just tried pulling another 4 shots, 2 doubles then two singles. Still extracting too fast, i dont think the grinder is grinding fine enough, from settings 4th last to last i dont see any difference at all, especially no clumping of grind which I was expecting some for that level of grinder which may be one of the signs it may not be grinding fine enough for espresso/macchiato. Ive also measured the pull, im getting about 50-60ml instead of around 30ml, preinfusion lasts for about 2-3sec then pours approx 22sec and it runs too fast no matter if i grind 4th last or last setting. Weird.

    Thinking of taking it back (will have to ask where the mrs go it) and pick up a k3t.

    What sort of improvement could i see with a proper tamper, for some reason i cant see it improving that much, im also a bit concerned using such a fine grind setting on the grinder that future adjustability may be limited...

    a part from this, the unit is very clean and tidy, no electrical smell or noise while grinding.

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    Re: Breville BCG800 Smart Grinder

    Quote Originally Posted by 40626565666A6D6649766D686A66030 link=1288871951/138#138 date=1293324002
    What sort of improvement could i see with a proper tamper, for some reason i cant see it improving that much, im also a bit concerned using such a fine grind setting on the grinder that future adjustability may be limited...
    Quite a lot in my experience.

    Quote Originally Posted by 40626565666A6D6649766D686A66030 link=1288871951/138#138 date=1293324002
    no clumping of grind which I was expecting some for that level of grinder which may be one of the signs it may not be grinding fine enough
    No. This grinder doesnt tend to clump - even on fine settings.

    Id suggest buying a better tamper as youll need it anyway, before deciding on whether to keep the grinder or not. Also, with respect, as this is your first and a new setup, its likely that your technique will improve with further practice.

    Hows it taste?


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    Re: Breville BCG800 Smart Grinder

    Quote Originally Posted by 4A4B4C415C4F46162E0 link=1288871951/110#110 date=1293263887
    Hi, just wondering about the BCG800s dimensions - cant find measurements anywhere, even on Brevilles own web site. Im particularly interested in the height, since the kitchen area it would be destined for is under a cupboard. Thanks, Deborah
    To answer my own question, and in case it helps anyone else.. Brevilles US site has dimensions:

    (L x W x H) 6" ◊ 8.25" ◊ 15.5"
    * * * * * * * * * * * (15.25cm ◊ 21cm ◊ 39.4cm)

    Hope everyone had a great christmas,
    Deborah

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    Re: Breville BCG800 Smart Grinder

    heres a reference pic to the size of my machine... (excuse the quick black berry pics, its a great looking and functioning grinder)





    In respect to taste, i still believe it tastes great, although some have been a tad sour. Now caffe latte wise, the family over xmas has loved it and loved the Bond St Veneziano beans (about a week old) and have said do not change the beans, this complement received whilst i still was having the problems mentioned above.

    Anyway, ill try pick up a tamper tomorrow because this niggle is giving me the shits! Was a little disappointed that the mrs did not purchase the grinder thru a sponsor tho even after specifically hinting if she was to purchase, do it from a sponsor on coffee snobs, but the machine fortunately was (9bar).

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    Re: Breville BCG800 Smart Grinder

    [QUOTE=183A3D3D3E32353E112E3530323E5B0 link=1288871951/138#138 date=1293324002]What sort of improvement could i see with a proper tamper, for some reason i cant see it improving that much, im also a bit concerned using such a fine grind setting on the grinder that future adjustability may be lim
    Quote Originally Posted by 382E2B2B3A38343D3D3E3E5B0 link=1288871951/139#139 date=1293332061
    What sort of improvement could i see with a proper tamper, for some reason i cant see it improving that much, im also a bit concerned using such a fine grind setting on the grinder that future adjustability may be limited...

    Quite a lot in my experience
    The quality of the tamper is barely an issue at all when your talking about grind consistency. But it would your coffee making experience easier and more enjoyable no doubt.

    This grinder already seems to have the issues that are consistent with appliances, like the em0480. A grinder like the Rocky doesnt get its reputation in the first few months of release.

    Im waiting to see how this grinder holds up to the test of time, as I am in the market for a new grinder. But it would be amazing if Breville, an appliance company, could produce a grinder to compete with real espresso equipment manufacturers.

    Ill keep watching this space and keep saving for a K3T

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    Re: Breville BCG800 Smart Grinder

    just returned the grinder back to the store where the mrs purchased it from, will be purchasing a k3t/wega 5.8 instant from a sponsor. The breville is still a great grinder but I dont think it is up to the task of espresso fine grinding (well at least the one i got wasnt) For any other purpose, its a fantastic grinder and it looks hot too. I didnt want to return it as i love the looks and the function of the amount/shot dosing/grind amount function, but getting a perfect grind is what im after more.

    What peeved me off the most about it was the grind scale, i didnt notice much if any at all difference in the grind size and shot pull if it was on 5th last 3rd last or last (finest) setting, and the finest setting definitely did not choke the machine, i also tried various tamping pressures and even got the scales out and measured tamping pressures. No difference, although this was with the plastic supplied tamp with the Oscar.

    Hopefully the K3t/wega 5.8 is the one, which im sure will be. Overall Breville have a great product but really need to focus more on the grind as at the end of the day that is what matters the most from the product, if that dont work, the rest in my eyes becomes a gimmick.

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    Just replying to a few posts that occurred over the Xmas period.........JavaJosh, yes the grinders, and all our motorised appliances do give off a "burning" smell during the first few uses. All the motor armatures are coated lightly with machine oil during production & this light coating is actually burnt off during the first few uses. On the finest grind setting you have more load on the motor & more heat is generated when grinding coffee. This heat is burning off the oil coating. Just to let everyone here know, we simulate real life testing for the equivalent of 10 years on every product during its development. In this case, a bank of grinders is set up in our life test facility at Botany & a computer controls pneumatic valves and actuators that work 24/7 every operation of the grinder. They look like they are hooked up on life support! They are literally working for 10 years. During the 10 year life test, we can see if all the components and materials chosen will go the distance. Lots of things fail & materials and/or designs have to be changed until it passes. The last thing we want is a failure in the hands of consumer. As mentioned in an earlier post, some units have made it into the wild that dont/wont grind fine enough. We have shim kits available that will remedy this situation that can be either fitted by one of our authorised service centers free of charge or you can fit it yourself, its pretty simple. We have sold over 2000 of these grinders and only 7 shim kits have been supplied & retro-fitted. Everyone seems to be a little down on timers as dose control. What have the last 3 WBC champions used??? Timers. Completely agree they are not perfect, but far more consistent than hand dosing, especially when youre not doing it as a profession! I fitted 2 Omron digital timers to the Mazzer Majors that Scottie Callaghan used at the WBC in London & he went OK!

    Cheers, Phil

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    Re: Breville BCG800 Smart Grinder

    Quote Originally Posted by 78767E7B7C727D6165150 link=1288871951/144#144 date=1293517877
    In this case, a bank of grinders is set up in our life test facility at Botany & a computer controls pneumatic valves and actuators that work 24/7 every operation of the grinder. They look like they are hooked up on life support! They are literally working for 10 years
    Id love to see that! Got any pics Phil? 8-)

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    No pics of the grinders, but Ill see what I can do about pics of others projects we have on life test.

    Cheers, Phil

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    Re: Breville BCG800 Smart Grinder

    Well I got a Smart Grinder for Christmas and it has been working flawlessly. I am very impressed with this product.

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    Re: Breville BCG800 Smart Grinder

    My 20 cents worth on this grinder; I purchased mine a few days before Xmas, set it up to grind for espresso, got that burning smell (explained above) and only got about a teaspoon of grinds in my porter filter before a bit of a loud clicking noise and no more came through. >:( *I had it set at almost the finest grind. Got frustrated as I was hanging out for a coffee :D, so completed the process with my Ascaso mini.
    The next day I had to house-sit for a few days, *so took the Breville and my plunger for my coffee hits. Cleaned out the clogged up burrs and dispensing shoot, set for plunger and away it went, perfect!
    On returning to my place, I set the grind again for espresso at its first (coarsest?) espresso level, pressed up 2 shots on the screen and away it went. Oddly enough, it only half filled my double basket! Any way I topped it up to the required amount, thought Id better tamp it pretty firmly as it should be too coarse. What a shock when my Isomac Venus struggled to push the water through! :o
    Turns out with only minor tamp pressure I can get good timed and quantity extractions. :)

    It still wont push the grinds through at the finer settings but as I dont intend to do Turkish or Greek coffee, I can live with that.
    My next query is: If I am getting a fine enough espresso grind at the first level, wont the grinds be also too fine for the plunger?

    What do you say Phil? If *as you say some units may have made it into the wild that dont/wont grind fine enough, could some have made it out there not grinding coarse enough? *:o Could there also be a connection with the quantity of the shot being low?

    All that aside at this early stage it seems to be a great grinder!

    Cheers,
    Kevo

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    Re: Breville BCG800 Smart Grinder

    Hi Kevo, Ive never seen one of these units that has not been able to grind coarse enough for plunger, Ive only ever seen any problems at the espresso end of the scale being not fine enough. If you have the dose amount set for +3 or 4"bars" ie its highest output, then if the grind particle size is correct youll get 20-22g in a double basket. If youre getting less than this then the grind is too fine. Anyone whos had experience with an Azkoyen Cappricio will understand the timer/fineness/dose relationship or a Robur E for that matter.

    Cheers, Phil

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