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    Breville BCG800 Smart Grinder

    I am still using my original Sunbeam EM0480 to service my BCF Junior Plus and it appears to be doing an acceptable job :). However, my No. 1 son, in the Melbourne area, has sighted the above subject grinder and is wondering if any CSr has any comments in regard to its operation. [smiley=dankk2.gif]

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    Re: Breville BCG800 Smart Grinder

    Hmmm...

    Think Id be going with an Iberital Challenge for around this money N-ACT before giving the Breville a go. It may well prove to be a decent grinder for the money but Id wait until such time as someone with a spare $300 can grab one and put it through its paces..... ;)

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    Re: Breville BCG800 Smart Grinder

    Breville are bringing one to Cuppacoffee very soon for evaluation.

    Stay tuned. ;)


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    Re: Breville BCG800 Smart Grinder

    Good one Den.... 8-)

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    Re: Breville BCG800 Smart Grinder

    Heres the review - go knock yerselves out (apparently!):

    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1203772677/12#12

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    Re: Breville BCG800 Smart Grinder

    Quote Originally Posted by 4E464E494345270 link=1288871951/4#4 date=1289534004
    Heres the review - go knock yerselves out (apparently!):

    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1203772677/12#12
    I flew up to Sydney on Tuesday and while I was there, caught up with Dennis for a play on the LM and to see this grinder.

    We were considering adding the Mahlkonig Vario to our range as we wanted an excellent small grinder but the issue was that it represented very average value for money in my opinion.

    This grinder is better than any other appliance grinder I have ever used and I reckon its better than a Rocky as well. It blows anything up to about $500 completely out of the water.

    We are thrilled to add it to our range. It will be brilliant for those wanting an excellent, but small grinder.

    Needless that the Vario has been removed from our radar. I think the Breville is just as good.

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    Re: Breville BCG800 Smart Grinder

    Hey Dennis

    what setting (how far from the stop) are you grinding on to use this with the LM?

    did you run some non decaf through it on the LM (what setting?)

    the question i am asking is on a commercial machine how much is left in adjustment until its at the "stop"

    great price.....

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    Re: Breville BCG800 Smart Grinder

    Ive choked the LM using this grinder!

    I currently have 3 more finer settings available for the decaf though am using the manual adjust feature to updose (as I always do).

    Having the ability to place the group handle into the holder, press a button, then walk away while it grinds, makes life a whole lot easier!

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    Re: Breville BCG800 Smart Grinder

    Have copied this excellent review to "Info/Reviews of Grinders" at the top of this category (sans commercial content ;)).

    Excellent review Den... [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

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    Re: Breville BCG800 Smart Grinder

    Cool - now I finally have a decent cheap grinder to refer people to!

    Good review Den / Chris; Im sure these will sell very well, and they sound more than a few classes above the Sunbeam / De Longhi / etc., so really fantastic value for money. Its about time someone bought something to the market with this kind of versatility, but without the huge price tags associated with our normal level of snobbery.

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    Re: Breville BCG800 Smart Grinder

    I will have to go check one of these bad boys out in the flesh - looking for a new filter coffee grinder.

    Chris or Dennis, can you comment on its ability to perform as a filter grinder for various applications eg paper filter, metal filter, syphon, plunger?

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    Re: Breville BCG800 Smart Grinder

    Hi Dave

    I havent used it yet for syphon or press and probably wont get to do so for another couple of weeks.

    Ill be surprised if it disappoints, though am still very much a novice when it comes to syphon.

    Cheers!

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    Re: Breville BCG800 Smart Grinder

    Its definitely something Ill be looking at when I get sick of hand grinding, a great price for a starter machine with all the benefits for the pedantic person ;D

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    Re: Breville BCG800 Smart Grinder

    Any idea of what Burrset it runs? Looks like a great step up on the entry level appliances too :)

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    Re: Breville BCG800 Smart Grinder

    Quote Originally Posted by 5D5A5E515953465651583F0 link=1288871951/13#13 date=1289769090
    Any idea of what Burrset it runs? Looks like a great step up on the entry level appliances too :)
    Its a Breville conical burr set. ;)

    They are made of stainless steel and the measurement of the cutting edge on the top burr is 37.7mm diameter at its widest point and 32.5mm diameter at the narrowest point.

    To remove the top burr, the hopper is first unlocked, providing access to the top burr which is encased in a plastic material (shown in the not so good photo). The plastic housing is then twisted slightly to remove the burr and the whole operation takes about 10 seconds.

    Reassembly is just as easy and theres no need to recalibrate.




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    Re: Breville BCG800 Smart Grinder

    Can you comment on the consistency of the grinds compared to the BCG450? I have one, and if it has the same burrs, what sets the 800 apart? Is it just the finer grind? Is it a better build quality? Since the 450, even when modified, doesnt sound like a grinder to compare with $500+ models.

    thanks :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4F595C5C4D4F434A4A49492C0 link=1288871951/14#14 date=1289777676
    Its a Breville conical burr set. Wink
    Well duh ;)

    Should have been more specific in is it a new burr set or is it just their old one from the the BCG or the same set as the BES860 Espresso machine?

    The quick release is a good idea at this level as it allows a no tool clean like the Sunbeam 480.

    Still good bang for the $$

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    Re: Breville BCG800 Smart Grinder

    Quote Originally Posted by 3830383F3533510 link=1288871951/15#15 date=1289780699
    Can you comment on the consistency of the grinds compared to the BCG450? *I have one, and if it has the same burrs, what sets the 800 apart? *Is it just the finer grind? *Is it a better build quality? *Since the 450, even when modified, doesnt sound like a grinder to compare with $500+ models.

    thanks :)
    Quote Originally Posted by 3334303F373D28383F36510 link=1288871951/16#16 date=1289780748
    Should have been more specific in is it a new burr set or is it just their old one from the the BCG or the same set as the BES860 Espresso machine?

    Ive been in touch with Breville, and received the following information from Phil McKnight, who is their Coffee Guru/Beverage Specialist:

    "The 450 was a product with minimal input from Breville. On the other hand, the 800 was engineered from the ground up. Started with a blank piece of paper & specd out from scratch. As you know it grinds fine enough to choke a linea & at the same time will grind coarse enough for Plunger & its great for V60 pourover! I use it for a V60 every day."

    AND

    "The 800 burr set is a conical set but not exactly the same as the 860.

    The 800 burr set has the bottom cone shaped burr fixed to its drive
    shaft & held with an acorn nut similar to a Robur etc. This is why the
    burr set for the 800 is not interchangeable with the 860. Burr material
    used is the same.

    The 800 grinder burr speed is approx 490rpm. This is the average speed of our internal "no load" manufacturing specs."


    Were happy to respond to any further questions. If you decide to buy one, wed be even happier if you purchase through us! ;)


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    Re: Breville BCG800 Smart Grinder

    Quote Originally Posted by 392F2A2A3B39353C3C3F3F5A0 link=1288871951/17#17 date=1289795789
    "The 450 was a product with minimal input from Breville. On the other hand, the 800 was engineered from the ground up. Started with a blank piece of paper & specd out from scratch.
    So the assumption is that this process means a better grind than the 450? Or did you compare it? (Just out of curiosity :) )

    Quote Originally Posted by 392F2A2A3B39353C3C3F3F5A0 link=1288871951/17#17 date=1289795789
    Were happy to respond to any further questions.If you decide to buy one, wed be even happier if you purchase through us! ;)
    I understand that Im not in your shop about to buy one so you might not be able to justify the time on that answer, but again, just curious :)

    I would certainly prefer a sponsor (if there were any nearby) over someone like hardly normals, etc.

    thanks :)

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    Re: Breville BCG800 Smart Grinder

    Quote Originally Posted by 5E565E595355370 link=1288871951/18#18 date=1289800160
    So the assumption is that this process means a better grind than the 450?Or did you compare it?
    No assumption Iain. The 450 is pretty much universally accepted as not up up to the task for espresso. We compared the BCG800 with Dennis BNZ through the Linea, so theres no assumption.

    Fact is its a category killer up to at least Rocky point and I reckon its as good as the vario too.

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    Re: Breville BCG800 Smart Grinder

    No Iain, I didnt compare it to the 450.

    I have direct experience with the Lelit, Iberital, Ascaso, Isomac, Rocky, and a few other grinders under $600, though these werent present at the time of my evaluation of the 800.

    I did compare it to the 2 BNZs and K3T I use at the shop. The Smart Grinder has consequently replaced the K3T for decaf duty. The BNZs are safe.

    Assume what you will from this.


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    Re: Breville BCG800 Smart Grinder

    Quote Originally Posted by 7066636372707C75757676130 link=1288871951/17#17 date=1289795789
    Were happy to respond to any further questions.If you decide to buy one, wed be even happier if you purchase through us
    I currently have "enough" small grinders but if I didnt I would consider one. Thanks for clarifying the Burr thing and great to see they have changed them for a better set. :)

    With the grinder on Espressoish what sort of shopt time for a double with the slow speed burrs would be interesting too?

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    Re: Breville BCG800 Smart Grinder

    Quote Originally Posted by 0304000F070D18080F06610 link=1288871951/21#21 date=1289804559
    With the grinder on Espressoish what sort of shopt time for a double with the slow speed burrs would be interesting too?
    I timed and stated this in my review BF - 15 second average, depending of course on whatever dose one calls, "a double".

    A big advantage for me is that I can place the group handle under the outlet, press a button, then do other things while it doses.

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    Re: Breville BCG800 Smart Grinder

    I was asked to recommend a grinder for a gift today used with their saeco Via V.....

    choices EMO480 or BCG800

    i was going to suggest both
    base line EMO480
    next step up BCG800
    or ?

    Dennis and Chris, i value your opinion. should they spend the extra $100....






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    Re: Breville BCG800 Smart Grinder

    sorry, wasnt implying you didnt know what you were talking about guys, I tend to be a bit pedantic at times :) I forgot you compared it to all the other "junior" grinders, each of which would out-do my 450. Now where are those GR parts I ordered ;)

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    Re: Breville BCG800 Smart Grinder

    Quote Originally Posted by 575B525F5F563A0 link=1288871951/23#23 date=1289820801
    I was asked to recommend a grinder for a gift today
    Quote Originally Posted by 575B525F5F563A0 link=1288871951/23#23 date=1289820801
    Dennis and Chris, i value your opinion. should they spend the extra $100....
    Apart from the nice build quality, finish, and grind, the features alone are comparable to the Vario. Its worth every cent.


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    Breville Smart Grinder

    Hey guys

    Have just purchased a Rancilio Silvia on eBay and need to start looking at a decent grinder. Obviously the Rocky marries well to the Silvia but as my budget is limited I was looking at some other options. Have noticed the review on the new Breville Smart Grinder and the price point makes this a serious contender. Perhaps its a little too new to get some feedback on this one and how well it works - obviously there are some electronic parts in this one, so servicing may be a problem.

    Thoughts?

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    Re: Breville Smart Grinder

    Hi Daniel

    I think its more likely that your Silvia will need attention well before the Smart Grinder, which has a 12 month replacement warranty.


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    Re: Breville Smart Grinder

    Thanks Cuppacoffee.

    Im giving some serious consideration to this grinder.

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    Re: Breville Smart Grinder

    They look good on specs, features etc.

    Another option is to look into buying a hand grinder (Hario/Kyocera) if you are only making one or two at a time, pocket the change and save some more to look at around the K3 range in a few months.

    Just my thoughts but the rocky is now fairly exe for what it is and there is better value to be had IMO for around similar $$

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    Re: Breville BCG800 Smart Grinder

    I am a newbie to the forum but have been lurking for a while.
    I am that impressed with this grinder after my purchase today and playing with it tonight .
    I bought the Sunbeam em 6910 with the bonus grinder em480 package advertised at the moment.
    After reading this review I still grabbed the BCG 800 and left the 480 in the box.( will leave it as a spare)
    The 800 is so easy to use straight out of the box even for a beginner, looks great and has so many features.
    Hard to believe it is made by Breville.
    Amazed me and I was so impressed I wanted to share..

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    Re: Breville BCG800 Smart Grinder

    Quote Originally Posted by 5E66666D64686A090 link=1288871951/26#26 date=1289992960
    Hard to believe it is made by Breville.
    I think people dont rate breville highly enough these days.

    I know everyone loves sunbeam (and I love my 0480), but sometimes it just doesnt live up to the hype.I bought a cafe series mixmaster, and am not happy with it. Im on to my second handheld mixer in three years (both sunbeam) and just yesterday this second one had issues with the beaters not popping out.

    Breville isnt half bad nowdays.

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    Re: Breville BCG800 Smart Grinder

    Im hoping this grinder isnt as good as a Vario, because I just bought one! ;)
    It does seem to be designed using similar principles though, with some very good ideas such as the airtight hopper and the ability to automatically maintain the same dose amount even after making grind adjustments. I am waiting for an electronic scale from China to test out how the Vario fares in this aspect, but Im pretty sure setting changes effect the dose amount (for a given grind time that is). As far as results for espresso, perhaps having approximately 10 times the number of adjustments and ceramic burrs may give the Vario an edge, but hey it is more than double the price!

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    Re: Breville BCG800 Smart Grinder

    Quote Originally Posted by 21392B30313634392C313E580 link=1288871951/28#28 date=1290001745
    I am waiting for an electronic scale from China to test out how the Vario fares in this aspect, but Im pretty sure setting changes effect the dose amount (for a given grind time that is)
    Of course it does. This should be obvious?

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    Re: Breville BCG800 Smart Grinder

    OK, so I picked one of these up today from Chris to use as a pour-over grinder in the office. From TC I headed straight over the Veneziano to pick up a pour-over & broke out the grinder while there so we could play.

    We plugged it in, dropped some beans in the hopper & hit the grind button. We got a couple of seconds of grinding then an awful grinding sound that sounded like something in the grinder had gone. A call to Chris, a trip back across to Northcote where Chris gave me the one off his bench, then back to V to try again.

    Plugged it in, threw in some beans & this time we were greeted by a reasonably quiet, entirely expected grinding sound ;) Played around with the grind settings near the percolator side of the scale after deciding that the filter setting was too coarse, and tested how clean it was. Seng threw in 7.5g of beans & got 7.2g of ground coffee out.
    This thing is clean :) The grinds are reasonably even & certainly well better than what you expect at this price.

    Seng threw in some more coffee (I dont know what) & made us a pour-over that was lovely, sweet and pretty clean.

    We then dialed it down to the espresso end to see how it went. Seng using his normal dose on the Synesso, it took the finest setting available to get a good looking pour of bella.

    At home this arvo Ive run a couple more shots from the grinder using the harar I roasted a week ago and again found that the finest setting with my regular dose just cuts it.
    It is worth noting that the harar doesnt require the finest grind of the coffees I drink, its also not the coarsest. It might take a decent up-dose for this grinder to manage monsooned malabar for example, since it needs a finer grind on the Mazzer mini that lives next to my junior extra. For the record its in the low 20s here today in Melbourne.

    So, my initial impressions are that this will serve its intended purpose nicely for pour-over. Can it do espresso? It depends.
    With the right dose and a suitable coffee Id say you could definitely use this as your espresso grinder. Youll probably end up adjusting your dose or tamp slightly to get the pour youre looking for, or choosing coffees that suit. It certainly wont replace my mazzer mini, but then I wouldnt expect it to.
    On the plus side, its very clean & your better half will thank you for not making a mess. Its also very easy to use, so for those starting out it will probably improve your consistency.

    Ill try to remember to post an update once its seen a little more usage.

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    Re: Breville BCG800 Smart Grinder

    Thanks for your observation dsgfh,

    FWIW, we are 4 notches from the finest setting for a normal dose on Dens Linea (and hes not a particularly high doser).

    My plan is to take one home and put it up against the Kony-E and see what it can do....next week! ;)

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    Re: Breville BCG800 Smart Grinder

    Quote Originally Posted by 5D4A5E5F51390 link=1288871951/30#30 date=1290233849
    Seng threw in some more coffee (I dont know what) & made us a pour-over that was lovely, sweet and pretty clean.
    Ethiopian Gabbana roasted like 30 minutes before you arrived. I had a laugh

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    This grinder is impressive at its price point. For $300 you cant go wrong and has A LOT going for it. At $100 more than the Sunbeam cafe series, Id still pick this grinder.

    I love the fact that this grinder is so easy to take apart to get to the burrs for quick and painless cleaning.

    The grinder has an extremely short channel that the ground coffee has to travel through before it comes out of the spout and in to the grind container or your portafilter - less grind retention is a big BIG plus in my books (for filter coffee brewing). I wonder how accurate dose IQ is and how consistent it is delivering back to back doses within 0.?? grams of target dose. DSGFH, could you do a series of tests and give me the raw data in Excel? Ill give you a kilo of coffee to play with - I suspect the grinder will actually do better in this area compared to a Robur E because its so much slower.

    I was a little concerned about how warm the grinds coming out of the grinder was as well as clumping evident from the finer espresso settings. At all grind settings, this grinder does not suffer from static.

    Im really considering packing the Rocky away in favour of this grinder for filter - although Id like to play with it a bit more as it seemed to make a fair few fines I could see when brewing the pourover - although I also think it was the sh!tty Hario Buono kettle I was using and not having as much control as I would like from a pouring kettle.

    This grinder is deceptively light weight - a bonus for travelling but I wonder how the motor stacks up over long term use.

    Breville have done an AMAZING job on this grinder for $300. Id pay $400 if I could have some things changed - a few engineering tweaks. Sunbeam have a shite load of catching up to do.

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    Re: Breville BCG800 Smart Grinder

    More than happy to do some testing on it as soon as Ive e-bayed a suitable set of digital scales.
    Done a couple of pour-overs this morning with some harar that was roasted a little darker for espresso. Aside from my technique/precision needing work, it a pretty tasty cup. Trying to decide now if I try taking the lil thing as carry-on to Canberra tomorrow, or if security will insist on me checking it.

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    Re: Breville BCG800 Smart Grinder

    Glad to hear people are as impressed with this grinder as I am. I really do think its outstanding value.

    Like David, I love the ease in which the top burr comes apart as I think it will encourage regular cleaning without people feeling concerned about how they will get it together again.

    As for particle sizes, stay tuned. I have some laboratory grade equipment heading my way and will post the results.



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    Re: Breville BCG800 Smart Grinder

    Quote Originally Posted by 3325202031333F36363535500 link=1288871951/34#34 date=1290306518
    Glad to hear people are as impressed with this grinder as I am. *I really do think its outstanding value.
    Absolutely. Ive already recommended it to two people who want a grinder but dont want/cant afford to by a mazzer or macap. The price it right to make it an impulse buy for that second grinder you couldnt otherwise justify.

    If it pans out well at work, I may well end up with a second one for pour-over at home ::)

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    Re: Breville BCG800 Smart Grinder

    I dont suppose that anyone has compared this grinder side by side with the Baratza Virtuoso or Baratza Virtuoso Preciso for manual brewing styles.

    Doing some reading on home barista these appear to be very highly recommended for pour-over/filter/plunger etc and at a very similar price point.

    Im after something particularly for manual styles as I have a grinder that Im very happy with for espresso.

    Cheers

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    Re: Breville BCG800 Smart Grinder

    Thanks for your information on this grinder Chris.

    It has been very helpful.

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    Re: Breville BCG800 Smart Grinder

    hmmm, i take it it has 37mm burrs or are they closer to a 58mm like in the k3t? wondering if approx $150 more for a k3t is worth it over this breville?

    very tempting.

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    Re: Breville BCG800 Smart Grinder

    Quote Originally Posted by 5F7D7A7A797572795669727775791C0 link=1288871951/38#38 date=1290567325
    ... wondering if approx $150 more for a k3t is worth it over this breville?

    very tempting.

    :-? If you can get a K3T for $150 over the price of a Breville, Ill have 20.

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    Re: Breville BCG800 Smart Grinder

    and Ill buy one off you ;)

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    Re: Breville BCG800 Smart Grinder

    I am assuming this is not the grinder to use when grinding for a greek / turkish coffee.

    Am I right?

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    Re: Breville BCG800 Smart Grinder

    Quote Originally Posted by 242B213720243627450 link=1288871951/41#41 date=1290653357
    I am assuming this is not the grinder to use when grinding for a greek / turkish coffee.

    Am I right?
    It will certainly grind fine enough for decaf, though Id be hesitant at this point to recommend it for turkish.

    Once we get our lab equipment, Id like to run some tests and will post the results.

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    Re: Breville BCG800 Smart Grinder

    Quote Originally Posted by 6154595E6A765A53535050350 link=1288871951/39#39 date=1290567515
    If you can get a K3T for $150 over the price of a Breville, Ill have 20.

    Chris
    Quote Originally Posted by 5C545C5B5157350 link=1288871951/40#40 date=1290570003
    and Ill buy one off you

    I am dead set, well i was offered the Wega 5.8 version which is pretty much the k3t for 460, then rounded it down to 450 wont go in too much depth but i was shocked at the price too since i havnt seen it cheaper than 550, I was also quoted 840 for a GEE and 1200 for an oscar. Thats why im stuck in this dilemma wega 5.8 or a breville. (ive seen this breville cheap too)

    Breville and pocket the cash or go the full hog and spend the extra 150-160-250 :) Will most likely pair either with an Nuova Oscar...

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    brett230873
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    Re: Breville BCG800 Smart Grinder

    In response to the above: Wow... Go the K3t because you are getting a completely different class of grinder for a great price. My local cafe uses that grinder (small volume) so ge one and just be very, very smug... for like, ever!!!! ;)

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    Re: Breville BCG800 Smart Grinder

    yes i know the k3t price i got is fantastic, but ive got a budget of around 1500 for machine, grinder and accessories (tamp, jug, thermo etc)

    which i want the nuova oscar @1200 so there is a big chunk out.

    The k3t/wega 5.8 @ 450-60
    or
    Breville Smart @ 200 (found online to so 100 off rrp)

    Will this breville grind good enough for espresso on a HX like the oscar? this is my main concern, second to how long will it last - ive got the breville professional series blender, and that is fantastic, motor is fine on it.

    or should i shut up and get the k3t :D which is seriously telling me to blow the budget I had a laugh.

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