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    New Breville BCG820 "Smart Grinder Pro"

    the feature circled in red was not on BCG800 right ? If is the case, I think it is for fixing the requirement of shim adjustments. Anyway I just bought my grinder and 920, didnt realize I have a different model until I read the manual. I thought I needed shim kit since the pull was like 200ml (I had a laugh) on a double shot with single wall filter.

    There is an adjustment on the top burr where you turn to change the setting in the fine and coarse directions.
    From factory it was on setting "5", you can adjust it.. I adjusted my to "1" finest. The pull is "normal" now... nice crema...

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    Wow! OMG!! Bravo Breville for once again listening to your customers.

    just to be clear, you don't need to shim, you can simply adjust the burr with the hopper removed? Awesome!

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    Bummer ... I just got an 800 2 weeks ago. Oh well.

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    Don't worry Palindrome after the first time it's literally 1-2 mins to add/remove shims as required to get same effect.

    800 is my 3rd grinder and I love it, design touches are great, particularly removing hopper without beans spilling - that's an engineering marvel in itself!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KiteStyle3 View Post
    Don't worry Palindrome after the first time it's literally 1-2 mins to add/remove shims as required to get same effect.

    800 is my 3rd grinder and I love it, design touches are great, particularly removing hopper without beans spilling - that's an engineering marvel in itself!
    Yep that's not a problem. I have the shims and have been tweaking it as I go. I'm actually enjoying the experience of observing the differences that a small change can make.

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    Hrmm is there a newer version of the BCG800? can't seem to find any information about it online?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pokerstar View Post
    Hrmm is there a newer version of the BCG800? can't seem to find any information about it online?
    Yes, for sure. called the BCG 820 "pro"
    Saw them in Myers last week on offer at $199

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    New Breville BCG820 "Smart Grinder Pro"

    Quote Originally Posted by blend52 View Post
    Yes, for sure. called the BCG 820 "pro"
    Saw them in Myers last week on offer at $199
    There doesn't seem to be any results when googling it and it's also not on the Breville website? When I look on the Myer website it says BCG800 for $199.

    So what improvements does this have over the BCG800 other than what's in the OP?

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    There are little or no info on 820 even on the Breville website itself last time I checked(US or AU). But my is 820 as listed in the box and manuals, also as I asked in the original post rather that feature I circled in red is in 800?.. since I don't own a 800 I am unsure but looking at the top burr pictures of the 800 that is available online doesn't show that feature in red.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rotalution View Post
    There are little or no info on 820 even on the Breville website itself last time I checked(US or AU). But my is 820 as listed in the box and manuals, also as I asked in the original post rather that feature I circled in red is in 800?.. since I don't own a 800 I am unsure but looking at the top burr pictures of the 800 that is available online doesn't show that feature in red.
    Ok thanks. Is it labelled "Pro" as well?

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    Betta has the 820 "Pro" version listed, seriously i am not sure rather that "Pro" means anything other then just a new spin word haha =)

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    Quote Originally Posted by rotalution View Post
    seriously i am not sure rather that "Pro" means anything other then just a new spin word haha =)
    Well , according to KatBrazier ..(the Breville service rep who posts on here ) in another thread....
    ...for the record, we have just released the BCG820 with adjustable outer burr no more shim kits!

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    Well that's pretty cool

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    Not sure if this was ever posted here, but Phil McKnight mentioned the upcoming release of 3 new grinders in the Seattle Coffee Gear interview video from April 2nd. Wonder where this BCG820 falls in the mix??? He says that there will be one above the Smart Grinder and 2 below the Smart Grinder. Looking forward to hearing more about Breville's new grinders!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3hL-PbKxjQ
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    I can confirm that Myer are selling the BCG820 for $199 and it's called the Smart Grinder Pro. Would love some more information on it.


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    Hi Pokerstar, can you tell me which Myer you saw the bcg820 for $199? The website is showing $299 and only cranberry is available - Breville | BCG820CRN The Smart Grinder Pro Cranberry | Myer Online

    Quote Originally Posted by pokerstar View Post
    I can confirm that Myer are selling the BCG820 for $199 and it's called the Smart Grinder Pro. Would love some more information on it.


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    I bought one in Myer today, in suburban Sydney.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JmeT View Post
    Hi Pokerstar, can you tell me which Myer you saw the bcg820 for $199? The website is showing $299 and only cranberry is available - Breville | BCG820CRN The Smart Grinder Pro Cranberry | Myer Online
    Sorry only just saw this. It was at Cannington WA

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hildy View Post
    I bought one in Myer today, in suburban Sydney.
    Hi Hildy,

    Any chance you can upload a copy of the receipt? Just in case the Myer here in Canberra doesn't have the 820 on sale - that way other stores should be able to price match.

    Cheers

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    You're getting me all hot and bothered!

    All I have to do is get myself to Myer!!! Fast!!!

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    Can confirm Myer are selling both the 800 and the 820.

    Myer civic centre (Canberra) had the 800 at $199 and the 820 at $250.

    Looks like the stores in WA and Sydney messed up by selling the 820 at $199

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    Hey guys, do you think the 820 would be comparable to the lelit-pl043? I like the idea of the automatic dosing that the 820 provides and the price is a definite advantage (if I can get it for 199 that is).

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    Hmm.. Now you've got me thinking. I was 99 percent sure I was going to grab a K3. We were given a BCG800 at work to play with and it seems to be able to choke the Bezzera.
    If the 820 guarantees to not require shims, I may just grab one given it's half the price of the Kompak and seems pretty solid.

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    Quick question guys - is the 820 worth the extra $50 bucks over the 800 in not requiring shims - or do I just get the 800 and be done with it?

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    New Breville BCG820 "Smart Grinder Pro"

    Quote Originally Posted by RyanPost View Post
    Quick question guys - is the 820 worth the extra $50 bucks over the 800 in not requiring shims - or do I just get the 800 and be done with it?
    The problem is nobody knows much about it. In the YouTube video linked previously, the Breville rep mentions 3 new grinders and nobody knows where this one sits in comparison to the bcg800 although you would assume it is the next version up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pokerstar View Post
    The problem is nobody knows much about it. In the YouTube video linked previously, the Breville rep mentions 3 new grinders and nobody knows where this one sits in comparison to the bcg800 although you would assume it is the next version up.
    Thats my exact concern. At least the 800 is a known entity with a known fix - that's easy enough.

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    I bought an 820 at Myers Northland in Melbourne during the week.
    They had both the 800 & the 820 at $199 and the staff didn't appear to have any idea about the difference between them.
    It's working well for me, straight out of the box and the grind setting at 8.
    The packaging is almost identical, but the 820 says it has 60 grind settings (the 800 has less)
    I've no experience with the 800 so can't compare them, but I'm a happy customer.

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    yeah. my 820 worked out of the box and is able to produce a passable ristretto at setting 9 and about 18.5 seconds for a 15 gram VST.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RyanPost View Post
    Can confirm Myer are selling both the 800 and the 820.

    Myer civic centre (Canberra) had the 800 at $199 and the 820 at $250.

    Looks like the stores in WA and Sydney messed up by selling the 820 at $199
    Ok, For those interested - the way to get one of the 820's at $199 at Myer during the current sale is to ensure they have sold out of the 800's first.
    If there are still 800's in stock, the 820 will remain at the higher price. As soon as the 800's sell out - the price of the 820 drops down to $199 on sale.

    *Now the proud owner of a BCG820*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hildy View Post
    yeah. my 820 worked out of the box and is able to produce a passable ristretto at setting 9 and about 18.5 seconds for a 15 gram VST.

    when you mean 15 gram VST, does it mean the basket is 15 grams or the coffee dosage is 15 grams (I know VST is a well known aftermarket basket)?

    On my 820
    I choke at

    14 grams of coffee on a single wall single shot stock basket at grinder setting 10.

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    The gram rating of any filter refers to its nominal capacity. i.e. 14/15/18/21/22 grams of coffee.

    Choking a shot depends less on the dose amount but more on the fineness of the grind and how these two parameters
    are relative to each other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chokkidog View Post
    The gram rating of any filter refers to its nominal capacity. i.e. 14/15/18/21/22 grams of coffee.

    Choking a shot depends less on the dose amount but more on the fineness of the grind and how these two parameters
    are relative to each other.

    Thanks for your info =)

    I dose at 12 grams with 10 on the grinder and I could get 30ml of extraction (the problem with this is a wet puck + stuck on the shower head)

    I choke at 14 grams with 10 on the grinder and i get minimal extraction (good puck and comes off with the PF)

    The reason why I am trying 14 grams is for testing, as I read if i am getting a wet puck.. it could be under dosing.

    I am using the Single wall single shot BES920 basket.

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    single shot baskets with 14 grams in them sound like they are grossly over filled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hildy View Post
    single shot baskets with 14 grams in them sound like they are grossly over filled.
    Agreed; I missed the single basket bit.

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    The BES900 / 920 single shot baskets ideal dose weight is around 13g, so its not a single sized basket in a traditional sense. I have ground fine enough for 11g and its problematic with the puck not staying put and disintegration under pressure. 14g with a slightly coarser grind seems to give the most consistent results, this usually ends up with a slight imprint of the shower screen AFTER BREWING. Clean solid puck removal.

    All depends on the coffee being used.

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    how big is the double, then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hildy View Post
    how big is the double, then?
    Similar in size to EP precision double, will happily take 17 to 19g.

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    I discover more things but unsure rather is true

    1. The dosage button knob that turns also act/label as the "Program" button when long press. According to the manual, it will record the dosage time in accordance to the number of shots. However after I long press (double beep to represent programmed) to program 11 secs to 1 shot, I don't see how that 11 seconds is registered with 1 shot. As I alter the setting from 11 to 13 and let the machine turn off itself (strange the machine don't have a power off button) and when turn the grinder back on it is still 13 seconds. I tried to move the grind out of the espresso area and press the shots button couple of times.. and go back to Espresso and select one shot, it is still 13 seconds. So to me the dosage time settings is automatically programmed once altered

    I hope a Breville rep can explain to me what this "program" function actually do if I interpret it wrongly.

    2. According to the dosage charge in the manual, in the espresso region the shots counter should go from 1-8 shots ? But when I press the shots button in the espresso grind region, it only alters between 1-2 shots. Is this normal ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rotalution View Post
    I discover more things but unsure rather is true

    1. The dosage button knob that turns also act/label as the "Program" button when long press. According to the manual, it will record the dosage time in accordance to the number of shots. However after I long press (double beep to represent programmed) to program 11 secs to 1 shot, I don't see how that 11 seconds is registered with 1 shot. As I alter the setting from 11 to 13 and let the machine turn off itself (strange the machine don't have a power off button) and when turn the grinder back on it is still 13 seconds. I tried to move the grind out of the espresso area and press the shots button couple of times.. and go back to Espresso and select one shot, it is still 13 seconds. So to me the dosage time settings is automatically programmed once altered

    I hope a Breville rep can explain to me what this "program" function actually do if I interpret it wrongly.

    2. According to the dosage charge in the manual, in the espresso region the shots counter should go from 1-8 shots ? But when I press the shots button in the espresso grind region, it only alters between 1-2 shots. Is this normal ?

    1. If you turn the grinder off at the wall the times will reset to what you programmed. I guess they are assuming if you are making adjustments to your preprogrammed times for 1 or 2 shots then they want to keep those times available to you for that "session".

    2. If you put the canister in it gives you access to > 2 shots options. Must be a sensor there that knows when the canister goes in.

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    So to all the bcg820 owners, how does the grinder perform? What machines do you use them with and is it adequate (grind fine enough and consistently enough) for espresso?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbainbri View Post
    1. If you turn the grinder off at the wall the times will reset to what you programmed. I guess they are assuming if you are making adjustments to your preprogrammed times for 1 or 2 shots then they want to keep those times available to you for that "session".

    2. If you put the canister in it gives you access to > 2 shots options. Must be a sensor there that knows when the canister goes in.
    Thank you !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pokerstar View Post
    So to all the bcg820 owners, how does the grinder perform? What machines do you use them with and is it adequate (grind fine enough and consistently enough) for espresso?
    Not as good as the K3 in the cup. Definitely adequate for espresso. I haven't run into torque limiter problems, but a friend that I lent it to has.

    I've used it with a Giotto, Vetrano, and I'll try a Silvia tonight.

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    Im new to the Breville 920 and 820 combo. I have found 13g works better for the single basket, however i do wonder whether 12/12.5g may work better. Does the volume change significantly when you change how find the grind is?
    I also found that 11.2 seconds worked for me for the moment, however one shot it produced 13.00g exactly, but then the next one was 13.55, so there is a bit of variance if you rely on the time alone

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    For anyone thinking of buying this grinder, I just received a Myer Catalogue and it will be on sale for $199 starting Wed. 18/6/14 until Sunday 27 July 2014.

    Greg
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    I am considering this too. It looks like a lot of grinder for the price.

    I have a couple Myer gift cards to use...

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    Bought! This is my first foray into the world of grinding one's own coffee beans. I have recently acquired the Sunbeam EM7000 (upgraded from a second hand Breville Cafe Roma) and have been dissatisfied with store ground coffee as the coffee comes out like water due to its grind, so hopefully this will give my EM7000 more leverage!

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    Rule one for good coffee:
    Never ever use pre-ground beans.

    Rule two:
    Always use a good quality grinder.

    I have the EM7000 and the Breville Smart Grinder Pro BCG820. Together they produce great coffee.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusty View Post
    Rule one for good coffee:
    Never ever use pre-ground beans.
    Well to be fair, I also tried the beans from Coffee Emporium - they grinded it for me but alas it was still too coarse for the EM7000's liking. I get that having your own grinder allows you to find the perfect fit for your machine, and future machines to come.


    Rule two:
    Always use a good quality grinder.
    Indeed. It looks the part too. Isn't it somewhat ironic that the Sunbeam grinder which should suit the machine is shadowed by a competitor's grinder?
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    Does anybody know if the BCG820 has the same internals as the BCG800?

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