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    got one last week for my partner. opened it last night, and have been playing around with it. here's a comparison to my lido 3. top left is lido 3 at 12 marks from zero (my french press grind), top right is handground at 1 (zero), bottom left is HG at 2 (two clicks from zero), and bottom right is HG at 3 (four clicks from zero).

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    A few of my thoughts on this grinder.
    Firstly it's well made and well designed.
    For manual brew this will do a job as good as any LIDO or Comandante at less than half the price. It's also more ergonomic with the side-handle.
    For espresso use it's not up to the task. The steps are just too big.
    ...so for manual brew this gets 5 stars from me. For espresso it gets 0 stars
    Happy grinding. Paul.
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    My thoughts as well....

    My intention is to play with shims (when more arrive) to get it into the espresso zone at say 4-5 as I can't imagine full coarse will ever be required (unless you're into tanbark).

    Will report back.

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    K_bean is that 5/5 stars or 5/10?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Al View Post
    K_bean is that 5/5 stars or 5/10?
    Fair question. It could have been 5/100!
    I'm thinking of movie review stars to it's out of 5/5.
    The ergonomics are amazing - better that the legendary Comandante C40
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    Using the 2 shims supplied and set to 1 the grind is close to espresso but not quite there. Still too course. Also, grind time is pretty long so I wouldn't be buying this on for espresso. Pic of the fine grind below:

    Of course, for manual brewing this grinder is awesome.
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    I agree it's not a good idea to buy this grinder if all you want to find out is if it can do espresso.
    Take it from those who have bought it already, the price you pay for this grinder gets you a great manual brew grinder that is worth what you pay.

    I personally can get it to work for espresso, but why would I use it for that when I have a perfectly capable commercial grinder?

    On social media and forums these days when a new hand grinder is in the works there are always people asking if it will do espresso as if that is some sort of indicator of quality. There are several excellent hand grinders on the market that do espresso well, but why would you put yourself through that? That isn't their intended use. With the exception of a few such as Versalab and Hg One etc.
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    I bought one on kickstarter it arrive a few weeks ago GREAT unit, well engineered and professionally packaged

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    This Kickstarter newie is about to go into production and they have appointed an Aussie importer...

    It will be priced at less than the OE Lido range and the ergonomics look good....Conical burr set and they have put a heap of time into grind consistency

    We grabbed 10 from their crowdfunding campaign...
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    Sad news re my Handground.
    This morning it started to fall apart as I ground. Pic below shows damage at handle insert and you can also see a small pile of black plastic bits on the bench.
    I'll return to the distributor tomorrow and report back.
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    What the??!Looking closely at it, I believe I can see the hex screw in the handle sticking out which would have scraped away at the plastic easily. But how on Earth did it come out? It sits in there deeply? Best of luck with the replacement. I'm sure the Handground boys will sort you out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gonzo89 View Post
    What the??!Looking closely at it, I believe I can see the hex screw in the handle sticking out which would have scraped away at the plastic easily.
    That's what happened Gonzo. Another pic is attached. Looks like the Handground guys need to use a little Locktight. I hope they don't get too many returns. It's a V1 teething problem I suppose.
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    Good to know KBean, I will keep an eye on my hex screw to make sure it does not start to come out. They did say they use Locktight but who knows if they skipped that particular hex screw. Perhaps to be safe I might unscrew mine and put some on myself. Thanks for sharing
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    No worries at all Gonzo. I'm still a huge fan of this grinder

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodhouse View Post
    got one last week for my partner. opened it last night, and have been playing around with it. here's a comparison to my lido 3. top left is lido 3 at 12 marks from zero (my french press grind), top right is handground at 1 (zero), bottom left is HG at 2 (two clicks from zero), and bottom right is HG at 3 (four clicks from zero).

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    so bottom right is lido? seems to be worse off than bottom left.

    love that there is finally a hand grinder sitting in such a price sweetspot between the hario and lido.

    would love to hear more from the owners about how it is holding up against the lido in the cup for filter brews. i see many comments on espresso but not so much on filter?

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    Only top left is the Lido
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    Quote Originally Posted by K_Bean_Coffee View Post
    I hope they don't get too many returns. It's a V1 teething problem I suppose.
    Update:
    Yes, a teething problem and a one-off according the Handground team.
    A replacement was sent out quickly and all is good.
    Brilliant grinder
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    Make that two. I have one the same at a few weeks old. Immediately replaced.
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    Wow - OK - I'll be adding thread lock to mine now. Thanks for letting me/us know Chris.

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    Ok to update on this, I got to see the offending grinder today. The issue (and perhaps with yours too Paul?) was simply that the screw attaching the handle to the upper section had become loose- a 5 minute job to work out what to do and then do it to deliver a perfect example. Perhaps a little loktite might overcome the issue for good- as you have suggested.

    As a service experience it was "interesting"....

    Grinder arrived full 'o coffee, sans any packaging. I had already confirmed a straight swap of brand new for the damaged one and was happy to do that, despite what was clearly a simple fix. Your word is your word. He probably would have scored a bag of browns as well for his trouble.

    Owner decided he wanted a Lido and a $40 discount to score himself an upgrade. I then suggested I'd be happy to provide him with his repaired and perfectly good Handground or a brand new one. He ultimately parted up and took a Lido and I now have matching black and white to play with- as well as the browns.

    I'm not so sure that either party was happy with the outcome. Perhaps the only solution was to provide a Lido for nothing and thank the owner for the privilege of being allowed to do so?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2muchcoffeeman View Post
    Ok to update on this, I got to see the offending grinder today. The issue (and perhaps with yours too Paul?) was simply that the screw attaching the handle to the upper section had become loose- a 5 minute job to work out what to do and then do it to deliver a perfect example. Perhaps a little loktite might overcome the issue for good- as you have suggested.

    As a service experience it was "interesting"....

    Grinder arrived full 'o coffee, sans any packaging. I had already confirmed a straight swap of brand new for the damaged one and was happy to do that, despite what was clearly a simple fix. Your word is your word. He probably would have scored a bag of browns as well for his trouble.

    Owner decided he wanted a Lido and a $40 discount to score himself an upgrade. I then suggested I'd be happy to provide him with his repaired and perfectly good Handground or a brand new one. He ultimately parted up and took a Lido and I now have matching black and white to play with- as well as the browns.

    I'm not so sure that either party was happy with the outcome. Perhaps the only solution was to provide a Lido for nothing and thank the owner for the privilege of being allowed to do so?
    Once one convinces themselves they're being hard done by, rarely anything will change their mind, even if offered all manner of best intentions and outcomes (not to mention discounts)!! *sigh* The classic struggle of customer service. Bend over backwards for no thanks, or hold firm to be trashed on the internet.

    So the one returned to you didn't suffer the damage that Paul's did, Chris?

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    Quote Originally Posted by readeral View Post
    Bend over backwards for no thanks, or hold firm to be trashed on the internet.

    So the one returned to you didn't suffer the damage that Paul's did, Chris?
    Yes Al, I'm anticipating that but so be it...

    The returned one is now perfect...Undetectable from brand spanking

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    I guess I should have read this before I bought my Porlex!

    I am still on the hunt for a good small electric ginder, burrs, for using in my camervan with an EM4800c

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    Quote Originally Posted by rawill View Post
    I guess I should have read this before I bought my Porlex!

    I am still on the hunt for a good small electric ginder, burrs, for using in my camervan with an EM4800c
    If you see a Breville BCG400 on sale for $80 or so it could be worth a look. They're easy to use and reasonably light, compact and portable. I've got 2 of them - a new one at home for soft brew and an older one at work (that I've modded to grind finer). Not quite as good as the other appliance grinders for grind quality, but ticks all your other boxes and I reckon it'd work well in a caravan. I took one of mine away at Xmas and it was great for what I wanted.
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    I will have a hunt for one.
    Can't find a photo yet.

    I have a BGC 450/A.
    It has just let me down, hence buying a Porlex, and perhaps resorting to a "blade spinner"!!!

    I have modified this one, and it is close, but not close enough.
    It is fine if I use a dual wall basket, which I don't now!
    I have an EM4800 in the campervan, and use Breville single wall baskets, and also a Krupps double, which for ages I thought was a single!
    Till I bought a "double" and found it was the same as I had.
    Then found I could not get a single Krupps.

    Anyway.
    The coffee starts dark, but goes to "too blond" too quickly.
    So more grind and tamper tinkering to make this machine work the way I want it to.
    Much easier with my home set up of Em6910, EM 480.

    However, I am on holiday when I am in the van, I have time to tinker around.
    In the end I may have to get a better machine, an EM6910, like at the house.
    And another 480 grinder but it is a bit of overkill for a campervan, too much bench space, too much to store when moving!

    Oh, and found all that is wrong with the BCG 450 is a faulty on button. Should be easy to fix.
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