baratza sette 270w - Thoughts buy guide
I think general sale in Oz is still a little while off
Just talking about this today with my brother as we were both on the 5 Sensei pre-order list. I
fell off first. Then he's dropped off recently.
Lack of comms hasn't helped inspire excitement. That and the fact that they had a Christmas discount sale and those coming in ordering later could got a 10% discount on the price plus other resellers seem to offer better pricing in general.
I believe 270W sold out* before 270 which makes sense.
* "No longer available for pre-ordering" which is likely distributor talk for - we've pre-sold all the units we allocated and those allocated to other resellers. 270W initial stock is sold out and the next batch is not due for another month.
Other resellers are talking end of January / early Feb now.
Baratza are reminding people on their website/blog/twit that this is a home use device given early USA 270W barista adopters giving them a good work out :-)
Some early quick anecdotes/reviews coming in with varied results coming in from the scales of .1g to 1.5g difference from set.
Will be interesting to see how it all pans out.
Be nice if Baratza said they are coming out with a commercial spec version at the end of 2017 :-)
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Grinding fine enough shouldn't be an issue. Though I have seen mention of a few people in the USA needing shim kits.
Originally Posted by cnnrs
I think it's reasonable to assume at this point if we choose to be early adopters we may not have the quickest response/resolution to issues.
Sounds like there's another shipment on the way. (hopefully not stuck in customs/dock).
As mentioned in one of the previous posts you can potentially see the grinder in person before paying for it at one of the distributors stores. Guessing based on what we've seen/heard so far and the limited stocks currently it may take a few shipments before these stock levels stabilise. :-)
Hope that makes sense. (Typing and currently on phone trying to cancel an NBN connection, probably doesn't help my coherence.)
Last edited by matth3wh; 2 Weeks Ago at 08:22 PM.
Way too many reports of quality issues for my liking on the HB thread about this one
Hi MelbRoaster. Is it ok to post a direct link to the specific thread you're referring to?
If not can you PM it to me. Thanks
I heard that five senses are the only authorised reseller in Australia, however I notice that coffeeparts are also selling. Anyone able to shed some light on that? Quality issues aside, I'm looking for a sub $1000 grinder that is essentially zero retention and this looks to fit the bill perfectly. I'm happy to dose by weight, so has anyone heard about availability for the non W version in Australia?
From what I understand Five Senses are the official AU distributor and also sell at retail level. Others like altbrew and coffeeparts are likely getting it from Five Senses and reselling. 270 should fit your bill as a decent priced low retention grinder. Trade off may be longevity.
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A lot of people are coming at this grinder from the build quality of $1000-$3500 commercial grinders. The Sette grinder in comparison is a smaller chunk of $ but still a fair chunk of money in AUD$. The Sette is definitely consumer end casing with features and workflow that still appeal to enthusiasts/professionals.
Those coming from more expensive commercial grinders are going to expect a lot. Those with cheaper/equal priced grinders are happier with what they're getting for their money. Still, if some K10/K30 owners are thinking that this grinder makes more sense in home setting then that's probably not a surprise. Trying to use a commercial grinder in a home setting has limitations which the users of these deal with. Thinking about the weighing/variation. You have the LM Vulcano Swift that doses and tamps in one and costs $4500 - $6500 and it still has variance of .1 g up to .9 g in the doses it delivers.
Here's a selection of comments below that seemed pretty honest, balanced and covered the spectrum from early Sette grinder users.
Couple of quotes / thoughts from the HB thread:
Early feedback report. First impressions of seeing and interacting with the grinder:
- After dialling in and pulling several shots I can say that the grinder feels like a cheap, short life, throwaway appliance. If you thought the Vario felt that way then imagine that the Sette feels even cheaper. Well, it is!
- The control panel buttons feel cheap and flimsy. The control panel feels like it's just a matter of time before you replace it. Again, the Vario just feels like it has a little more finesse when you interact with it.
- The grind adjustment mechanism is fantastic and a welcome change to the Vario and even the K10 system. It sure is like a combination of the two grind adjustment mechanisms. The slick mechanism is a welcome change to the lame plastic and finicky sliders on the Vario.
- I hate that the Sette retains 0.5g.
- I love that the Sette doesn't need to be bumped and brushed.
- I love that I can throw away the damned brushes I have for the K10!
- The portafilter holder works, but not well enough for me to feel confident that I won't lose some of my coffee from spillage.
- Holding and shifting the portafilter for the 5 seconds of grinding is better than letting the grinder dose itself into the portafilter.
- The Sette is really loud and "screechy" compared to both the K10 and the Vario.
First impressions of espresso from the Sette:
- I can more easily pull a better shot of the coffees I have on hand with the Sette compared to the K10. I have a very vivid recollection of how the coffees tasted on the K10 and my feedback is that it was easy to get "more" flavour with the Sette. The grinder isn't finicky. I dialled in flow speed and the shots were tasty. Unlike the K30 that I had which needed to be finessed into a delicious espresso.
- The finer adjustment mechanism can manipulate the grind enough to go from a choker to perfect pour.
I need to spend more time with the grinder before I make a final decision. Having said that, my early taste impressions coupled with the marked improvement in workflow will make it hard for me to give back regardless of the grinder's cheap esthetic and feel.
2. And, that I believe is the 'rub' with this grinder. It has perfromance on par with the heavy commercial-grade expensive grinders yet is built like your typical mass produced consumer electronics item.
3. A fair trade-off for a $379 grinder over one that costs $1k+
4. Overall happy with the grinder, sure beats the Encore I was using last week.
5. Totally agree from a performance standpoint. I just think there are those that spend thousands on a high-end beast of an espresso machine and have pretty high expectations on grinder build quality. This is in no way a knock on Baratza.
6. I am not using it for espresso, my main use is for daily drip in my technivorm. I wanted something that had a large catch bin and could weigh 70g in one go. (my esatto catchbin on precisco was way to small for the task)
Working wonderful so far, some issues with static, but I don't hold that against baratza, I blame weather and humidity for that.
My main concern is that It may not go as course as I want it to so I may have to hand grind with my lido for frenchpress.
I really love the design. and this puppy is fast.... like wow fast. some of the little touches I like is that the power cord is standard, and removeable. Great for taking it off the counter to clean etc.
Because the sette was delayed, I purchased a rocket fausto, and after using both I plan on keeping both
My sette did come with the improved forks and portafilter holder, but I could not find the shim they said would ship with it. I am guessing Baratza would ship me one if needed.
I have to say that the flow-thru design is awesome. I love how easy it is to clean out and remove the burrs etc. Once again great job Baratza on design.
7. Im surprised the lightness of the grinder and how it affects grinding was not vetted out through the development of the sette. If they added a sticky base similar to the ROK manual grinder, I think that would have been a good solution.
8. The W works perfectly for me. No blue tac, no holding it down, just push the button and I get 17-17.4g every time.
9. ... I also like to weigh prior to grinding, as the Sette 270 is a terrific single dosing grinder. Who knew? I can say that with a 1/2 hopper filled, and using the timer, I get within about .5 grams every shot grinding session.
For those with the W, I believe Baratza will do all in their power to help owners get the weight thing stable. Not having one, I can't comment further.
10. ... Any spurious weighing issues for me stopped when I found that two of the five rubber feet were not quite in all the way, plus getting the upgraded arm sleeves. At that point, my weighing became consistent, but was high. I'm now running the offset at 1.3, and my weights are consistently 14.1 or 14.2 on a 14.2 setting. It's crazy accurate. I'm grinding straight into a 49mm basket.
I realize that I also have one with fewer macro setting indents. I'm not sure it's impacting my ability to dial in, as the grinder seems so forgiving.
I dropped the inner burr and cleaned everything with compressed air today. There is some coffee buildup on the inside lower lip of the outer burr that looks like plastic pieces when it flakes off. YMMV.
It seems like it is possible to put the inner burr back in, but not correctly, as I've experienced where everything gets too tight.
11. After a couple pounds my burrs wore a bit and I was able to go down to lower macro grind settings. I wouldn't worry about it not going down to 1, it'll probably eventually get down there, then you can add the shims to move it back up!
As far as using the W model, it's critical to eliminate the machine vibrations with sticky tack or similar. I'm kind of surprised this isn't in the FAQ or instructions. I get 0.1 gram accuracy every time ( 10 lbs beans so far ) after sticking the base down to the counter. You may say it's fantasy but it's real and it's amazing.
Last edited by matth3wh; 2 Weeks Ago at 08:54 AM.
I am eagerly awaiting my 270W. Thanks for the great summary form HB!
Originally Posted by cnnrs
5S distributor says
Originally Posted by Melbroaster
* 270... The Baratza Sette range is estimated to arrive late January with all pre-orders expecting to ship from our 5S WA office early February.
* 270W... The first shipment of Baratza Sette 270Ws, which is due to arrive early February is already completely sold out. Once the first shipment arrives and are dispatched, we will start pre-selling the next shipment which we’re expecting to receive late March. Apologies for the delays.
* AltB says - sold out the first delivery; second delivery is looking like end of February / early March 2017.
So it seems like these grinders will be pre-sold out for some time to come if AU keeps buying them up at this rate.
For a commercial build/grind by weight option I'm hanging out for the Compak PKR / PKF series grinders...
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