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    For those that are interested, here is Baratza's comparison table for their grinders. The Conical burr grinders are on the left, and the flat burr grinders are on the right. https://www.baratza.com/wp-content/u...art-032417.pdf

    Also keep in mind this is from the US website re: price et al. Regional differences in accessories means that for example the Forte comes with those included accessory burrs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by K_Bean_Coffee View Post
    Nice link Al.

    The Sette 30 seems to be great value so I can see that becoming a great entry level grinder.

    I have only used the macro adjustments on the Sette 270. ie, the 30 scale of the Sette 30. The micro adjustment seems unnecessary to me.
    G'day again Paul

    Here we differ. I fine tune the grind using the micro settings all the time. That is how I can get the light / medium roasts to extract properly in terms of flavour quality and quantity. After that, tinkering with dose and tamping gets that last little bit of goodness in the shot. Not relevant for a high volume cafe, however home users can take their time and really get it right. The Sette adjustment is similar to my Vario's - about 50 or 60 steps within the conventional espresso range.

    The medium roasted Cuban Laqino I enjoyed last night as a layered latte came out like a rich coffee cream liquor (think Tia Maria and Feeneys). Not bad from a 7g VST dosed to 7.3g, a 34gram shot pulled in 34 seconds and 104ml "fresian milk from a glass bottle" frothed to its "extra sweetness point" (about 72 celcius) to fill a 250ml dual walled borosilicate glass (no taste and it works like a thermos) to the brim.

    Note: the only reason I have all the details was due to me setting up the 5 day old Cuban roast correctly in my gear - the first two shots were close, then I nailed it. Tomorrow I will need to go one or two micro steps finer to "chase the roast". Hence the use of the micro levers all the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TampIt View Post



    The medium roasted Cuban Laqino I enjoyed last night as a layered latte came out like a rich coffee cream liquor (think Tia Maria and Feeneys). Not bad from a 7g VST dosed to 7.3g, a 34gram shot pulled in 34 seconds and 104ml "fresian milk from a glass bottle" frothed to its "extra sweetness point" (about 72 celcius) to fill a 250ml dual walled borosilicate glass (no taste and it works like a thermos) to the brim.


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    The only time I measure like that is when setting up something new - in this case a friend's stunning Laqino roast. For CS relative newbies I should also have mentioned that the next days shots would always be 2 to 3g less (i.e. 32g-ish "in the cup") as the roast ages a bit more. I only drink 2 coffees a day personally, so I make sure they are damn good ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by K_Bean_Coffee View Post
    I love your mind Tamplt. Are you a scientist or an engineer?
    No, I am the "black sheep" by being neither. However both sides of the family are scientists or engineers for many generations. It kinda rubbed off.

    Now semi retired I can spend more time on my passions (eg coffee, music) instead of boring things like designing WANs and fraud auditing. Mind you, I have been doing espresso / setting up troublesome gear as a "uni ticket" / hobby / passion since 1970. That was the era where a 6 group machine could have wildly different pressures and temps across each group, every basket was a different flow rate (gotta love VSTs these days) and half the portafilters would only fit in some groups properly. "School of hard knocks" stuff so I still "assume nothing / record everything" when approaching a new bit of gear / roast whatever.

    BTW, if I was in your neck of the woods I suspect you would be my first port of call for buying coffee gear - WA has very few independent guys in the industry and we could do with a few (dozen) "Pauls".

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    Quote Originally Posted by K_Bean_Coffee View Post
    Nice link Al. The Sette 30 seems to be great value so I can see that becoming a great entry level grinder.
    +1 thanks for the link Al.

    The Sette 30 does indeed sound interesting, provided that it came with the Espresso burrs. I am about to give a spare espresso machines to one of my daughters, and I have been looking for a grinder to go with it. The S30 would tick most of the boxes that I think will meet her needs.

    But are they available here in Australia ??. If not, will they be here in the not too distant future ??.

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    I don't think they're available anywhere yet. Well, I think it literally just launched in the US. Won't be long till it arrives here.
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    The Baratza website for the Sette 30 says
    "COMING SUMMER 2017!"

    That's to a USA audience. Should equate to release in USA approx in June-August. Add a month or three for it to make its way to AU.
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    Has anyone ordered extra shims for their sette 270w? If so who did you get in contact with, as I have two installed and will need another 1 or 2 shims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matth3wh View Post
    Baratza website for the Sette 30 says: "COMING SUMMER 2017!"
    Sette 30 site now says: Release postponed for further development

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    Quote Originally Posted by K_Bean_Coffee View Post
    Hi there,
    I've been fine with 2 shims and so have all customers to date.
    The only reason for 3 would be to go Turkish I would expect. Is that it?
    Cheers, Paul
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    I'm currently set to the finest setting for most beans (always fresh 4-15 days) Macro 1, Micro A-C. When I get Guatemalan beans the grinder won't go fine enough so I have to increase the weight, currently doing 21g for a 18g VST basket (usually use a 14-18g EP basket) but would rather be doing 20g.

    Having a third shim would be ideal so I am not sitting at the finest setting constantly, would like some room for adjusting finer if a bean gets 2 weeks post roast.
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    Thanks for the offer Paul, sent you an email just before.
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    Thanks Paul, legend.

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    The two shims at factory will be a good option for espresso drinkers (me!) But I have now noticed I cant grind course enough for my toddy immersion cold brew with it. Just as a heads up to anyone. In saying that for the price (compared to a mazzer/rocker etc) you can almost buy two. One for espresso and one for course grinds
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    Good for people to know what they might be getting in to...

    Maybe one 270W and one S30 on hand would fit the bill.
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    took the plunge on a 270w today.. all set up and ready to go.
    First coffee tomorrow - wish me luck.

    Hows your process with the Sette? What settings do you use?
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    Thanks Paul, i'm not sure mine has bedded in yet - did some quick tests and looked like i'm only at about 7-8 on the scale - should I still install the shims, or only if I go closer to the end of the scale?

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    i've always wondered if the PF holders of these grinders would accommodate like a OE dosing funnel? they are height adjustable but how high can they go?

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    With a shallow PF like the one in the pic (probably standard by the look of it) you should be able to dose and remove PF without spilling anything.

    On my cafelat in naked mode, it's quite high at 35mm to top of basket, I need to dose in two hits to avoid spillage. I dose 11g, remove, tap to settle, then another 11g (or 14 and then 7). If I dose 21 or 22g in one hit a little bit of grinds remain up in the chute and some grinder fall out as I remove the PF.

    This is not really an issue as you can program buttons to the doses you want.

    Cheers
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    Further to above, it would be an improvement in future iterations to have lower metal forks with thicker offset rubber sleeves to give extra clearance for deep PFs and higher adjustability.

    Cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by K_Bean_Coffee View Post
    The latest batch of Baratza Sette have landed.

    Out of the box now they have 1 shim installed and are "espresso capable" when set at the low end of the scale.

    2 extra shims are supplied. Add 1 extra shim and espresso grind will be mid-scale. Add 2 shims and espresso grind will be at the high end of the scale.
    Nice little secret CS page you've setup Paul. I was a few weeks early to utilise it but thanks for supporting the CS Community! I've enjoyed a few weeks of great coffee using the 270W which is a great deal in itself

    Interesting about the shims, I've been worried I'm doing something wrong as I've not needed them as not been able to go past setting 07 without choking. I suppose different machines can handle finer settings than my BDB, which is fine (unintended pun but I'll run with it!) as i still have some leeway in the grind.
    Last edited by Crema_Lad; 14th July 2017 at 11:29 PM. Reason: Wrong grind setting!
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    Quote Originally Posted by K_Bean_Coffee View Post
    I do the same
    Approx: First dose - 15g, 2nd dose - 6g.
    This gets me a 21g spillage free dose in a 20g Pesado basket. I do roughly the same with any grinder I use.
    Cheers, Paul
    I'm grinding 21gm in a 20gm basket also but doing it in one hit with (what I thought was) minimal spillage. I'm finding any weighed doses under 10g to be a little inconsistent, even where it stops after only 2-3 grams have been ground.

    I think this is more due to me having a missing foot allowing too much vibration when the motor first kicks in. i have put a temporary solution in place which seems to work for the larger grinds over 10g pending my 5th foot to arrive

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    With a normal depth PF i think you should be able to dose in one hit without spillage? Will try tomorrow morning.

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by artman View Post
    With a normal depth PF i think you should be able to dose in one hit without spillage? Will try tomorrow morning.

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    Yep I made a coffee after my last post and by spillage it was just some normal scattered grinds. With a level hand the bulk of the coffee stayed in the PF for tamping
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    Quote Originally Posted by K_Bean_Coffee View Post
    Yep. Same for me.
    Spillage is the wrong word. I need a new word "speckage." I can dose 21g into a 20g basket without the double fill but I get speckage. With the double fill technique the dosing is speckage free
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    Ha! Totally agree 'speckage' vs spillage is more accurate

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    No speckage with standard PF.

    Side note, on the very odd occasion I use a spouted PF I can't believe how much more messy it is than a naked. Drips etc when moving between group and knock box, cleaning under basket etc.

    Cheers
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    While we're OT - since moving to Sydney I've been amazed at the difference a change in humidity can affect the volume of the same weight of coffee, ground at the same setting. One day it can sit well below the top of the basket, and the next be a mound a cm over the top.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic_Matt View Post
    While we're OT - since moving to Sydney I've been amazed at the difference a change in humidity can affect the volume of the same weight of coffee, ground at the same setting. One day it can sit well below the top of the basket, and the next be a mound a cm over the top.
    When I was taught about coffee it was called "chasing the roast". Between temp and humidity variations and the usual aging process I feel it should be called a "death march" on a bad day...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic_Matt View Post
    While we're OT - since moving to Sydney I've been amazed at the difference a change in humidity can affect the volume of the same weight of coffee, ground at the same setting. One day it can sit well below the top of the basket, and the next be a mound a cm over the top.
    I'm not so surprised..you should see what the SYD humidity does to my hair when I visit
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    After following thread for a while I took the plunge and bought 270W - Machine arrived promptly so I started to salivate in anticipation of first espresso! Delved into assembly and while adjusting porta filter retainer the grub screw bush pull out as tightening up. Now that killed salivation problem! Sent back to Five Senses for warranty repair. So when I eventually receive grinder, apparently 2+ weeks, I'll start process again - hopefully. Reading back over posts again, seems grub screw is a week point. So will advise my new experience of grinder when it gets used for the first time.
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    I got to check one of these out the other day at Five Senses, and it didn't seem that solid. Speaking to the guys there it seems I'm not the only one to doubt its durability. Might be a bit of an unpopular opinion but thats enough to stop me from buying it. I think second hand commercial gear is still the way to go at that price point.
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    If it was dead on arrival surely they should just replace it instead of waiting for the warranty process?

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    I'm with you vehemence , the technology is great but there are still long term durability questions in my mind

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    The apparent lack of durability is just a guess at this stage? I hope it goes the distance for home use. Time will tell.

    Someone should chuck one in a cafe and give it a workout (upto it's rated duty), that should be a quick test.

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    baratza sette 270w - Thoughts buy guide

    I think plenty of cafes (in the USA at least gave it a fairly good work out) to the extent that Baratza had to then update their site saying 1kg per day max

    I'll be interested to see Etzinger Etzmax when it finally comes out in to the wild. Same idea as the 270W but with the commercial build quality and spec'd duty cycle.

    http://etzinger-ag.com/files/upload/...d6fdb73d89.mp4
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    Wow, that's still a decent throughput. A double every 15 minutes over 12 hours!

    How did they fare with the heavy duty use?

    The Etzinger looks interesting.

    Cheers

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    baratza sette 270w - Thoughts buy guide

    My brother's 270 is still working after at least daily Brazen batch brewing 70g coffee if that's of help to anyone - 5 months old. Small sample size I know.
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    Is there a hidden shot count on these (like the Breville DB?).

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by matth3wh View Post
    I think plenty of cafes (in the USA at least gave it a fairly good work out) to the extent that Baratza had to then update their site saying 1kg per day max

    I'll be interested to see Etzinger Etzmax when it finally comes out in to the wild. Same idea as the 270W but with the commercial build quality and spec'd duty cycle.


    http://etzinger-ag.com/files/upload/...d6fdb73d89.mp4
    Wow, is it just me or does it look like ET's arch nemesis?!

    So far (2.5 mths) been very happy with my Sette270W but yep that’s still a long way to establish a proven track record.

    Edit: interesting article on the pending Etzinger where it actually has evolved from the Sette specifically to be a more robust unit for the commercial market. Will be interesting to see what price point this is released at later this year.
    After Years of Development, Etzinger Unveils the etzMAX Grinder Line | Daily Coffee News by Roast Magazine
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    baratza sette 270w - Thoughts buy guide

    Don't recall reading this last time through the manual but it's saying:

    10% espresso ...

    Wondering what revision the manual is up to...

    This from the manual:

    DUTY CYCLE
    The Sette was designed for a maximum of 2 lbs (1 kg) per day, with an espresso duty cycle of 10%. We want to remind everyone buying the Sette grinder that it was designed for home use (short duration grinding).
    Here is a general overview of the duty cycle of the Sette Series:
    Espresso (Settings 3-9) it will take about 6 seconds to grind a dose of espresso, then the grinder should rest for 60
    seconds. This is about what you could do if making back-to-back shots on a one-group machine.
    Brew (Setting 15-30) it will take 5 to 30 seconds to grind up to 150 grams of coffee, then the grinder should rest for 60 seconds. Remember, a maximum of 150 grams at one time, with a 1 minute off before grinding again.
    The duty cycles described above will work great for home brewing. If you choose to use it in a commercial situation, please think about the Sette’s duty cycle function and decide if this will be a successful choice for your bar setup.
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    I also recall reading a total kg rating for the motor / gears etc a while ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by artman View Post
    I also recall reading a total kg rating for the motor / gears etc a while ago.

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    +1 although don’t recall the 10% espresso exception.

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    Doesn't the 10% duty cycle just mean a grinding to off time ratio of 1:9, not that you can only grind 100g at Espresso settings?
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    Yeah. On for 6 seconds, off for 60 seconds.

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    Yeah my mistake expanding that to a specific recommended g limit. Definitely the on for 6 seconds off for 60 gives you a good indication of how Baratz expect the grinder to be used in a domestic environment.

    Has anyone found the display buttons / rectangular buttons to be problematic or too small or flimsy to the touch ?

    Also wondering if someone will come up with a cone-of-silence add-on for it too...

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    I don’t think the display is the most attractive but no, Would not say flimsy. Don’t have any issue with button selection and recognition.

    I really don’t notice the noise factor (yes it’s loud, but it’s also so quick!), although my wife did complain when she was trying to sleep and I made a coffee @ midnight one night In fact what she said to me would best have been said under a cone of silence
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    Quote Originally Posted by artman View Post
    If it was dead on arrival surely they should just replace it instead of waiting for the warranty process?

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    Hi Artman,

    I did broach that with Five Senses - while not exactly 'not offering a replacement' they were unsure as they wanted to look at machine first! I am being friendly as I want to give it a go. I purchased it from a past CS sponsor. Anyway Five Senses did call me and said they would consider replacing or if the repair centre had already repaired it, then they would ship it with some free goodies, such as some fresh roasted beans etc.. so will see what happens by the end of this week!

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    The Sette 270W is probably 2 or 3 times louder than your average domestic grinder, but much more silent than the Nutri Ninja blender. That's my argument for when my gf complains about the noise of the Sette.

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    The Etzinger Etzmax sounded very good until I asked them and was informed possible pricing could be 1400 Euros for the Time Based model and 1800 Euros for the weight based model. Ouch, around 4 times the price of the Sette 270's, surely not?

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    For a Sette that can grind all day every day, reliably, for years? Sounds about right to me, it's a commercial grinder not prosumer.
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