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    Hi guys,

    So I recently purchased the Sette 270w. I absolutely love it!!
    My only issue is, when using a 20g Pesado basket and grinding 20g into it, the coffee piles up quite high out of the basket and continues up into the grinder shoot. When I remove the group handle some of the coffee is knocked out thus less than the ideal amount of coffee is left in the basket. Does this make sense??

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    I've found it helps to grind I two lots, ie for 20g, grind two 10g lots with knocking to portafilter inbetween grinds.
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    Yep as above. My PF is quite tall (cafelat) and I dose in two hits, either 2x 10.5g or 14+7g. Grind first one, remove, tap down once to settle, grind second and its all good.

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    I have 18,20 and 21g vst baskets so I go one size bigger. However I find the dark roasted beans have more volume compared to a medium roast.
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    I have received unit back - they replaced complete scale unit. They also gave me a $60 voucher to spend on beans - that was appreciated. I have been using it for about 10 days now and it is performing very well. I have noted others saying they have to dose twice to avoid overflow - I have found that as well. Still it is super fast and easy to set up. My only quibble is the spraying of grounds - I just hate wastage! Five Senses sent me a photo of a mod they are working on with Baratza which looks like a good upgrade to the adjustable portafilter hook, which is a weak point in my opinion.

    I have a SB 6910 and the shot improvement is quite noticeable over the EM440 grinder. I just need any excuse now to upgrade 6910 to some Elit/Profitec/ECM/Expobar model. I do like the quick heat up time of the SB, that and I leave it switched on most of the time.
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    Could you post the picture gordons? Intrigued

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsheat View Post
    Could you post the picture gordons? Intrigued
    Hi bsheat,

    Sorry about the late reply - just noted it.Attached images as requested. Note they are of a prototype mod being tested .
    IMG_2164.jpgimage1.jpg

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    Very cool! Thank you for posting.

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    baratza sette 270w - Thoughts buy guide

    Quote Originally Posted by gordons View Post
    Hi bsheat,

    Sorry about the late reply - just noted it.Attached images as requested. Note they are of a prototype mod being image1.jpg

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    Great Gordon.

    Looks like it could a good mod. Be great if the full dose could be done in one go without stop/tap/dose again that some have mentioned.
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    So this piece bolts to the existing arms and provides arms from itself to rest the PF? Looks good. When is it coming out?

    Cheers
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    Hi Artman,

    I have no idea if it is being incorporated to future machines, although it does look like a good idea. Five Senses sent me the pics after I was talking to them about splatter/spillage of some grounds.

    If they don't come out with something like that or improvement to the porta filter hook then I guess some home design fun would be in order!

    Overall I am very happy with grinder so far. It is damn quick, although I only have experience of the sunbeam 440 and 480 grinders. The consistency of the grind seems to be impressive to me
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    Hi guys
    So I went from a Breville Dose Control Pro that didn't grind fine enough to the Eureka Atom and feel like I skipped this step
    From this huge thread I've figured
    -From my reading the scale ~~is a bit off but it is still consistent~~ Considered accurate within around 0.2g on a firm flat surface
    -People need to dose 10g twice to make 20g fit in the basket- although fluffy clump free grinds are arguably the best outcome
    -The portafilter holder sucks
    -It grinds superfast- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoxB8BiZfxg
    -Messy grind/ loud
    - 1 kg max per day (i use 16g a day so that's fine!)
    - A number of people have added shims for finer grinds (included in box)
    - Lots of DOA and errors, but people with bad experiences will post more than those with good
    - The Baratza rep said that the first batch were dodgy and did further development before releasing more
    - The longevity and durability is the only long standing question really, but we'll see, as it's only been in australia 6 months

    Should I be reconsidering? I don't think so.
    I feel as if I have gone from the cheapest burr grinder straight to commercial and missed this step which makes me sad. The Baratza is great for the price however I feel like these commercial grinders beat it in every repect, except grind retention. Which is one of the most important variables in making coffee at home.
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    I have a friend who was after a new grinder, for there price range i suggested the Sette 270w and its what they got. Having had it for a couple of weeks now and had the chance to play around with it a couple of times. as much as I like it and also came close to buying one. Im glad i went with the Eureka Zenith 65E. As much as i like the grind and pretty much clump free of the Sette I still much prefer the grind i get from the Eureka. I feel it looks a little plastic like and due to that makes it vibrate a little and loud when grinding. All this said there is a considerable price difference and for some that is the deciding factor, so for something that price that doesnt clump and gives a super fast grind. I can see why one would buy one.

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    Good reading. I'm expecting one of these to be my next upgrade and I see quality issues at the start but the more i read the more I can see that issues seem to be fixed up now.
    I like the idea of the 270 model with a separate scale though as the 270W model with scale inbuilt is packing in more tech and that means more risk of problems.I'm interested in thoughts from owners.
    It's plasticy but it seems to perform really well and seems like good value that's for sure.
    Not decided yet but leaning this way.
    aaaandreaaaaa
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    Mate, take a look at the Quamar Q50P at about the same price as the Sette 270W and it's a commercial grinder

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    Though a number of people on here have had issues with their Qamar grinders, seems to be a quality control thing because most people love them, just some are unusable.

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    That's what I see as well ninja. I think I'll go for the 270 though and weigh with scales.
    And coffeeman yes nice suggestion with the Quamar Q50P. That one is already on my short list
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    Being able to deliver an accurate weighed dose to 0.1 gram straight into the PF is very nice, that's one of the things that makes the 270W IMO.

    Cheers

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    baratza sette 270w - Thoughts buy guide

    I壇 thought issues with W (weight based) version had come and gone as per some previous discussion on here... but I致e had one CS supplier saying (within the last fortnight) to go with the base model 270 due to some bad experiences with the W.

    As always your mileage may vary.

    The low grind retention and fast grinding speed is still appealing on the 270 and also the new Sette 30.

    The 270W certainly removes one step for those weighing the dose. Just as long as the scale load cell functions accurately. Guess double weighing gives you an extra check and balance. Eyes another.

    It壇 be useful to know some wider feedback and get an update from 5S as to what they are seeing in the wild since the last update mentioned here.

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    I have checked the weight dosed a few times out of curiosity, it is spot on and at worst 0.1g out (resolution of my scale).

    A handful of times it has started and stopped but its been less than 10 times aver the last few months. and always on a 5 gram dose setting.

    You can use the 270W in manual mode anyway.

    The grind is mega fluffy, centrally distributed and very fast. Its a small and compact unit too. Noise is the only real negative but at least the duration is minimised.

    Cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by artman View Post
    I have checked the weight dosed a few times out of curiosity, it is spot on and at worst 0.1g out (resolution of my scale).s
    Getting accuracy of 0.1g is a marvel of technology. When i first heard of
    0.1 accuracy I though bull$&@ then read the same from multiple sources. Seems like the weighing tech hits the mark.

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    Well I was leaning towards the 27O but now I'm aiming higher (much). The Eureka Atom !!!
    Blown budget but that grinder looks like a dream. I'll stop posting and being painful and post pics when I actually decide and commit.
    Andreaaaaaa
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andreaaaa View Post
    Well I was leaning towards the 27O but now I'm aiming higher (much). The Eureka Atom !!!
    Blown budget but that grinder looks like a dream. I'll stop posting and being painful and post pics when I actually decide and commit.
    Andreaaaaaa
    I actually have an atom I've used a handful of times for sale
    Pm me for details
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andreaaaa View Post
    Well I was leaning towards the 27O but now I'm aiming higher (much). The Eureka Atom !!!
    Blown budget but that grinder looks like a dream.
    Did the same. Was leaning towards 270W but then a few things happened along the way / requirements changed and I ended up with the Atom. Solid, reliable and quiet. Still tempted by 270/270W for office scenario.

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    My 270W recently went back to base for warranty repair, it just decided to act erratically and would beep and freeze and the display would go a bit crazy. One failed repair later and it is in the process of getting replaced. It's a shame, apart from that it's been great.
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    Update I my 270W:

    1. Portafilter dosing need to dose in 2 parts else grounds spill over( I have a SB 6910) - still some spattering which is annoying. Occasionally grinder stops mid grind - this seems to be caused by portafilter moving if it isn't seated securely.

    2. I now grind into supplied container - this is much more reliable and has eliminated all the annoying grinds splatter. It does add a step in pouring into portafilter, but I think I save approximately one extra shot per 2kg - this suits my tightness gene!

    3. It is very accurate in grind weight and very quick compared to my old SB 480.

    4. The grind quality is excellent, consistent and fluffy compared to the 480 - I haven't used any other grinders so this is purely my view. It also is easy to adjust grind once the 2 collars are worked out.

    5. The improvement in consistency of shots from the 6910 is greatly improved - even though many CSs' have said a good grinder will make a huge difference it is still gratifying to experience it.

    End of update - merry Christmas all

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    Still fence sitting about this, have been following since before release and equally confused!

    Currently using a Macap MXA, weighing using Acaia scales and single dosing/grind-on-demand accordingly. Works fantastic, but grind retention is annoying as it's not doserless (brushing with a small brush each time to remove), and time consuming. This would ease my workflow, but is it a downgrade from a commercial macap used in a home environment for 2-4 milk based espresso per day? Hmmm.

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    Advice please Im very tempted by the 270 or 270W. Seems to be everything I want in a grinder (reliability still in question?).
    For 10 years now Ive used my Mazza Super Jolly. Fabulous grinder, but really designed for commercial use. And I both hate wastage and dislike retained ground coffee, so I developed a complicated ritual of measure, grind, brush and collect all the ground coffee, tidy, repeat. I do 1 to 3 portafilters a day usually. The Mazza is still grinding away, no problems or mechanical issues, lovely grind. Just a bit of a nuisance.
    Im pretty sure I can sell the Mazza and cover the price of a 270. Im certain I would prefer the grinding 'process' of a 270. I cant afford both. And still, I procrastinate.
    What would you do?

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    I was in a similar position when the 270 was first announced. I have a Rocky grinder and was looking to avoid the same situation of wasting grinds. The 270 was a very attractive proposition but early reliability issues made me cancel a pre-order.

    Then along came Knock with their KickStarter program for the Aergrind. Approximately $120 for a hand grinder! Impulse buy territory! I've had it for a couple of months now and am amazed at how easy it is to use and the quality of the grind. Zero retention, easy cleaning, step less adjustment, no grinds mess and quiet. It is very easy to grind - seems to have got easier with use. I grind about 20g and have a Lelit Mara. Looks weird having the little Aergrind alongside the Mara.

    I still have the Rocky sitting ready to go but tend to just use the Aergrind because of convenience. If I have guests then I make sure the Rocky is cleaned and ready to use for multiple coffees.

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    270W user since it first came out in Australia. Luckily for me I haven't had any issues with my machine and I couldn't be happier with the grind consistency, flavour and accuracy. It doesn't get the dose perfect but it's within 0.1g 90% of the time and the other times I just do a manual topup

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    Im liking my 270w.
    Still getting closer on dial in. Maybe the burs take a little while to settle, and my beans are aging maybe...


    Do we find the scaling is progressive? Ie- is 4i one step finer than 5a, or is there a small overlap?

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    Contemplating one of these now. Also contemplating the Rocket Fausto or the mazzer mini electronic.

    The price point on the 270W really does make it appealing as does the weighed doses.

    Little worried it might look cheap sitting alongside a Isomac Mondiale.
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    I find that grinding straight into portafilter is a little hit and miss. The handle poking right out and vibrating seems to upset the scales. I grind into the basket. Doesnt spill over or pile up into the nozzle. Only using 16.5g, probably a funnel would be needed at 22g.
    Also was getting some retention up in the nozzle, am poking it out with a cabletie at present after use. Also, i am removing the hopper after use. Invert grinder, shake beans out of grinder and then shut the hopper gate. Remove hopper to the cupboard and grinder to its hiding place.

    I have installed both shims now as after 5kg or so of beans it was fully fine setting. Both shims puts me back at around 12 setting. Possibly 1 shim would have been enough.
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    Ended up buying one of these on Friday. Pretty happy so far. Definitely a step up from my rocky. Flavour and crema is much improved. Still dialing in. Glad I got a bottomless pf with my new espresso machine

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    Hey guys everyone still happy? Thinking about getting the 270! Recommendations on where to get a good price on it ?

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    Mine developed an uneven extraction issue. I sent it in and got a new replacement (original was one of the early ones) as well as a voucher for beans when I logged the issue, pretty good customer service.

    I would guess that the new one is a bit quieter and a bit slower.

    Also grinding at espresso around setting 9 without shims, had two shims in the first one as it was at the finest end with one and still flowing a bit fast at times.

    Very happy with it. The weighted dose is very convenient and super consistent.

    Cheers
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    artman did you send it back to baratza direct or just the place you bought it from?
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    It was purchased at 5 senses, took it there.

    Cheers

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    Ended up biting the bullet and getting a sette 270. Very happy. Took a bit to dial in but it's been fantastic. Cant believe how fluffy the grind is. Much better than the mazzer jolly I have on my counter. Dunno what people complaining about in regards to noise, it's not that bad.

    The change in the grind its pretty huge when you move the dials , it's really sensitive but allows you to get it perfect. Love the timer too it's so good.

    I've dialed it in one a 21g basket and also a 17 gram. Big difference in the grind difference needed between the two. About five clicks finer om the smaller basket ! That's on big adjustment not the micro one.

    Bought from k bean coffee as it was best price and free delivery.

    Very happy with purchase so far

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    I have a Breville dual boiler, and the smart grinder. I drink 10 coffees per week.
    I知 a nerd on a budget. I want to improve my coffee.
    Will I notice a substantial difference changing to this grinder from the breville smart grinder? The breville smart grinder is a hand-me-down and ageing.

    What draws me to this grinder are the following:
    Anything that easier for me to use at 5am would be great.
    As I知 only making one coffee per session, the low retention seems a huge plus.


    My father has a H2 grinder that is also appealing for the same reasons, but is almost twice the money, and hand turn.

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    It's considered a noisy grinder so if that's an issue at 5am then maybe this isnt a good choice.

    Never used one of the smart grinders but if it's old it might need a burr change so an upgrade to th e 270 could be a good idea. Dialining it in and setting the correct time makes life easy that's for sure.

    This weekend I have been testing the difference in grind size between my single basket and my double. 4 clicks coarser for the larger basket is almost perfect when switching between the two and having 2 pre programmed times (one for each) makes this grinder a winner



    Quote Originally Posted by MCT View Post
    I have a Breville dual boiler, and the smart grinder. I drink 10 coffees per week.
    I知 a nerd on a budget. I want to improve my coffee.
    Will I notice a substantial difference changing to this grinder from the breville smart grinder? The breville smart grinder is a hand-me-down and ageing.

    What draws me to this grinder are the following:
    Anything that easier for me to use at 5am would be great.
    As I知 only making one coffee per session, the low retention seems a huge plus.


    My father has a H2 grinder that is also appealing for the same reasons, but is almost twice the money, and hand turn.

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    Thanks.
    The noise isn稚 really a concern.
    What I really like about this unit is the weighing will make it easier to dial in.
    Means I can just play with grind setting to get the output ratio I desire

    Or I could spend $40 and get new burs for the breville.
    I guess I知 asking if a grinder of this level will make a noticeable difference in the cup. If not I値l use $600 to go to Thailand

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    Go to Thailand!

    I have both, the breville gets clumpy at the finer end. Any flavour difference is small IMO, the weight dosing and flufffy output is nice but not "necessary". Consistency is better on the Sette.

    Right technique and fresh ingredients will give you pretty good results, say 85-90%. Better gear will be nicer to use and look at (subjective) and easier to be more consistent, and get you closer to the magic 100%, but the difference shouldnt be huge I reckon.

    Cheers

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    Well hopefully the Sette is as unrealiable as the unrealiable Preciso - which has been serving me faithfully for 3-5 shots a day for over 5 years. Two sacrificial burr holder replacements which cost pennies (even sent free once), replaced set of ring burrs once when they dulled, $15. A super positive experience with with 10 minutes downtime each time.

    It's only that I want something fresh, a good design and quality feel that I've decided to retire it.

    Now the Sette doesn't solve the quality feel part which the more expensive commercial grinders do, but the commercial grinders IMO just look out of place in a modern residential kitchen. Maybe pictures don't do them justice but nothing comes close to stylish. Macaps in particular, all I see is a flacid penis chute. The positive experience with Baratza has made me overlook the quality feel requirement.

    So have ordered a 270 - decided against the W as I simply love the Brewista scales I have and couldn't say good bye to them (I don't weigh shots). It's rare I'm super happy about products but when I am, it's hard to say good bye. Planning of having the timed doses err on the too much side, weigh, skim a bit off if necessary.
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    I've probably had my 270W for a month now. Getting used to it. Occasionally have some odd behaviour such as the grinder stopping after 2g. Have worked out that if I make sure the portafilter is well seated in the holder before pressing any buttons helps lots.

    Seem to have problems getting it to do a manual grind other than a set weight if I just want to add a bit or to purge when changing grind settings

    90% of the time it just works.

    Quality in the cup is great.

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    After using the 270 now for a week:

    Pros:

    • Better build quality than I was expecting
    • No spillage grinding into basket (18g into a 58mm basket)
    • Definitely a nice looking grinder. I have been building a lever machine and thinking of even matching the style.
    • Impressed with the fluffiness. Definitely getting a better mouse-tail pour than from the Preciso that doesn't start to flow too fast as the pour proceeds.
    • Taste - too many variables to say anything worthy as my roasts in themselves vary radically.


    Cons:
    • Bit more variability in weights than I was expecting for the same grind time. Probably getting ア0.4g at the moment. Hoping that settles as the grinder wears in.
    • Hard to add less than about 0.5g to top up, even with timer set to 0.1s. Understandably of course due to min motor spin time.

    Definitely a happy upgrade.

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    I知 wanting to buy a W but they seem sold out everywhere. The Wi is to be released in late August. Is the W obviously being replaced by the Wi?
    Anyone know where I can get a W now ?

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    The wi board is available as a upgrade to the w. Offering even greater smarts and a burst button.
    Can also get a thing that holds the portafilter lower allowing full dosing.

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    Also interesting that the info states they have made more than 40 running changes along the way.

    Is the lower PF holder available separately? That would be handy.

    Cheers

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    The wi board upgrade is undertaking 240v testing and available next month (apparently).
    as far as I know the pf holder is available. Seems baratza will ship parts to australia. Its $28+$22 shipping.Screenshot_2018-06-09-20-14-53.pngScreenshot_2018-06-09-20-03-26.png

    Id check with local resellers to support them
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