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    baratza sette 270w - Thoughts buy guide

    G'day team,

    I own a Bezerra gulia and a bezerra grinder. looking to upgrade the grinder and saw the baratza sette 270w review buy Seattle coffee https://youtu.be/adt7fgG_Px8

    I got pretty excited with the weight and compactness and small hopper as its just for home use?

    Coffee parts are selling pre-order for $769 plus delivery

    What is everyones thoughts? It looks the goods to me but need a push from the illustrious snobs?

    is there anyone sponsor selling for better deals?
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    It's not out on sale yet - the reviews are using preproduction prototypes.

    That said, it does look very innovative, offering the speed and output quality of grinders many times the price.

    The bottomless grind path means that it essentially retains no stale grounds, which is ideal for domestic usage.

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    Not sure anyone even has a 270w prototype yet, do they?

    There's quite a long thread maybe a two or three pages back, but mostly speculation. For $769 I'd want to see it in the flesh though - I don't mind spending $300 on things that aren't built like tanks but that's getting up there.

    I have heard issues with the portafilter arms being problematic for smaller baskets (Guila is ok) and naked PFs.
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    Hi Herzog,
    Thanks for the reply mate. Yes I just thought that it being due September that some of the sponsors may of had a crack of the test model. Being due September to CP I think surely they are out of the prototype stages.
    Being a cynic at heart I actually am reluctant to say its been exactly what i have been looking for. Removable small hopper with the grind path you mentioned so little wastage. Along with the scale to weight dosage etc all with the small footprint.

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    Hi simonko, Going to repost part of my message above.
    Thanks for the reply mate. Well I have heard very good things from Baratza/vario in regards to reliability and longevity (sure there will be lemons). For the features listed,I was actually surprised at the price. I see alot of other comparable grinders around the 1k mark (really for what they do it is still expensive but meh). Thanks for raising the arms issue. I will try and take my basket in in sep.

    Yes I just thought that it being due September that some of the sponsors may of had a crack of the test model. Being due September to CP I think surely they are out of the prototype stages.
    Being a cynic at heart I actually am reluctant to say its been exactly what i have been looking for. Removable small hopper with the grind path you mentioned so little wastage. Along with the scale to weight dosage etc all with the small footprint.
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    Your PF will be fine and apparently an adapter is coming out for those with smaller baskets.

    I don't know if it's changed recently but Baratza used to hit a nerve with a few sponsors as the importer allowed little margin for local dealers. But I'm pretty sure Coffeeparts didn't carry Baratza back then either so maybe things have changed. Baratza's cheaper grinders are known for their unreliability, so depending on how sturdy and reliable the Sette is, the sponsors who steer clear of appliance style gear probably won't touch it anyway.

    If the grinder works out ok in the field, I might purchase it because of the weighing and bluetooth.
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    Certainly will be very interested to see how things pan out with this grinder. May look to down size from the La San Marco SM 95/A.
    Last I've seen on manufacturers site and US stores is that it's arriving/shipping in October. Not sure if CoffeeParts and other AU resellers will be getting it before then (ready to meet AU standards).
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    So mid November then...

    "The good news is that we have made significant progress on our certifications this week – we have passed EMC (electromagnetic compatibility), the most difficult of the tests. We expect to complete the rest of the certifications within the next three weeks and then production will start shortly after that. Certifications for electrical appliances, such as grinders, is complex and challenging. With the Sette Series we have approached certification from a worldwide perspective. This has lengthened the certification process, but we feel, in the end, that this will simplify our worldwide release.
    The downside is that this certification process has caused delay in production and shipping. We have notified our Resellers in the US and Canada that they will now receive grinders in the 2nd week of October and you (grinder user) can expect to get them very soon after that. We are working on the updated timeline for our International Resellers, but currently are moving towards Mid November for availability.
    Thank you for your patience as you await the delivery of your Sette."

    REF: Sette - Delay in Shipping - US & Canada - Baratza
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    baratza sette 270w - Thoughts buy guide

    ...... Waiting, waiting. I'm really looking forward to getting my hands on these
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    Appears they updated / altered the design slightly of the portafilter holder. Others have already noted in reviews and testing that the old design wasn't as secure as they would have liked as well as possibly getting in the flow of grinds dropping in to PF.



    REF: Sette Series-Upgrade of Convertible Holder - Baratza
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    Not surprising given that the units in the field are preproduction prototypes. They were always subject to changes.

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    looks like a pretty amazing grinder: small, weighs the coffee and does a 18g shot in 4.5 seconds.

    the build quality may not be as bullet proof as other units but for a home user should be fine.

    tentative thumbs up.
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    I actually watched the vids on HB yesterday - the speed is pretty impressive - pretty close to the Robur!
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    Should be hugely popular.
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    Just need it with planar burrs to get those chocolaty notes I love
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    will you supply these mate

    Quote Originally Posted by K_Bean_Coffee View Post
    ...... Waiting, waiting. I'm really looking forward to getting my hands on these

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    Quote Originally Posted by wc047 View Post
    will you supply these mate
    Definitely. Just waiting. RRP hasn't been given yet.
    Cheers - Paul
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    I'll be waiting for Chris to test it thoroughly first as I would really like to see it take a beating and get the thumbs up. If so, my old faithful Major will be going cheap or donated to mum :-)

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    Good idea to wait for some testing. It looks great on paper but from the vids it's more of an appliance (a la Sunbean/Breville) than a prosumer grinder. Let's hope we're surprised in a good way.
    I'm hoping they have a small commercial version in development. That's what I would want. I'm sure they do

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    Quote Originally Posted by gonzo89 View Post
    I'll be waiting for Chris to test it thoroughly first as I would really like to see it take a beating and get the thumbs up. If so, my old faithful Major will be going cheap or donated to mum :-)
    I'm thinking say 10kg in a week as a first workout...
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    Yeah that reflects my thoughts also. I was very excited at first but then realised that at that price point it really is more appliance like. For what the forecasted cost of the unit is I wouldn't like to be disappointed with it.

    My Major is totally fine for my needs, it's the features of the Sette of course that has me very keen and should it appear to be an appliance that lasts lets say 5 years trouble free I could live with that.
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    baratza sette 270w - Thoughts buy guide

    Jim Schulman blind tested this vs a K30 and the K30 won. Sette was judged a good grinder at a keen price point but not the silver bullet for taste.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obnic View Post
    Jim Schulman blind tested this vs a K30 and the K30 won. Sette was judged a good grinder at a keen price point but not the silver bullet for taste.
    Has Jim posted his findings from testing ? Or was this from the Sette blind taste test Dan ran at counter culture?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melbroaster View Post
    Wow, that's a long quoted burr life. And they are conservative in their calcs based on their 5 sec / 18g per double.


    The 5 sec on seems a bit short if you are grinding for a larger pour over or similar?

    I hope this grinder stacks up for durability.

    Cheers

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    I have a "settle" style grinder in the laundry for pourover and cold drip. Yes, grinder #3. 3-4 second for 20 grams is not a problem. It's like magic

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevinang3 View Post
    Has Jim posted his findings from testing ? Or was this from the Sette blind taste test Dan ran at counter culture?
    I think we're talking about the same thing. dans review linked to a Jim Schulman led exercise quite possible hosted by Dan.

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    Will be interested to see the more detailed reviews from variety of users. The motor is rated for 150 hours vs something like a kafatek monolith which has a 10,000 hour rated motor. My main question mark for the Sette will be on how many problems will be experienced by the users with the V1.0 of the Sette.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obnic View Post
    Jim Schulman blind tested this vs a K30 and the K30 won. Sette was judged a good grinder at a keen price point but not the silver bullet for taste.
    Not sure if it's this CounterCulture and mentioned on HB by the looks "K30... wins this taste test against the Baratza Sette, 7 to 5"

    Not too bad given the price difference ;-)

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    baratza sette 270w - Thoughts buy guide

    The Baratza Sette range is estimated to arrive in December with all pre-orders are expected to ship mid December 2016.
    Will they just be in time for Christmas...?

    Only time will tell I guess.

    Hoping to see CoffeeParts drop their pricing to match the main reseller's list pricing ... Search results for: 'sette'
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    Quote Originally Posted by matth3wh View Post
    Will they just be in time for Christmas...?

    Only time will tell I guess.

    Hoping to see CoffeeParts drop their pricing to match the matches main reseller's list pricing ... Search results for: 'sette'
    Or you could just buy it from the "main resellers list pricing"

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    CP are site sponsors and they've been helpful on previous orders.

    If there's any returns required for faults then a Sydney based seller would be better for me.

    Double checked and see 5S have a Sydney office. My mistake. (Thought they were only WA and Melbourne). So I guess that may be an option for some to see the grinder in action first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by matth3wh View Post

    Double checked and see 5S have a Sydney office. ..... So I guess that may be an option for some to see the grinder in action first.
    Exactly thoughts on this grinder. I'm up for a look and a feel first hand, but am in no hurry to buy, and I for one am not taken by the look.

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    Does anyone know if this grinder has been released in Australia? I was wondering if the novel theory behind this device works in the flesh.

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    No hasn't been released yet. Last update I had was it was due to be in Australia closer to Christmas; and so with Australia Post being busy over that period they were expecting it to get to customers by early Janurary.
    Yes it has some very interesting ideas; I was almost curious enough to pull the trigger and get one..
    Just at the price; it made it a hard sell for an unknown grinder. You can get a rock solid grinder for that money.

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    see post #30 above and post #32

    Five Senses might just squeeze it in before Christmas but that is yet to be seen. As I believe they are the main distributor they theoretically are you best chance of getting one first, if you want to be an early adopter.
    The last I heard from a reseller was at least 3 January 2017. Will not be holding my breath for it though. Think of it as a new year treat.

    I've seen it listed with pre-order price as low as $449 and $589 for the weight based version. But Google is your friend there.

    Unknown in terms of real world longevity but in terms of real world usage the 270 has been out getting tested in the wild for a reasonable amount of time now.

    My brother has the 270 on order and I'm considering the 270w but will wait until well in to 2017 for the Xmas finance dust to settle first ;-)

    I'll report back on how it performs when it arrives.

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    I originally decided that I wanted a 270 with the auto scales but then thought that, as a home user (3-4 double shots per day), for the scales to work effectively I would need to keep slightly more than enough beans in the hopper for each double shot -leading to staling of the residual beans in the hopper. I currently avoid this by pre-weighing just sufficient beans for each double shot (allowing 0.2grams extra for retention) & grinding them in my Mazzer. I store my beans in a vacuum. I decided that I can continue to do this & I can also monitor retention if I wish to by weighing the grounds output. This means a not insignificant $ saving in the 270 purchase cost but it also avoids encountering the maintenance problems that generally arise with more complex machinery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baj View Post
    I store my beans in a vacuum.
    You might want to have a look at this post as well as other threads in the Roasted Bean Storage Forum.


    Java "Not a fan of vacuum bean storage" phile
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    Quote Originally Posted by Javaphile View Post

    Java "Not a fan of vacuum bean storage" phile
    No argument from me on this point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Javaphile View Post
    You might want to have a look at this post
    Well worth a read.
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    Wink baratza sette 270w - Thoughts buy guide

    I've never been one for storing my beans in a vacuum. While usually cool and dry it's usually way too dusty in there. ;-)



    RE: 270 vs 270w

    The 270w is certainly meant to shine in a situation where you want to roll out back to back shots without pre-weighing.

    I'll be interested to see more how many beans would stick around in the throat of the grinder in a locking off hopper situation.
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    Talking

    Looks like there's been a delivery in USA ... so if it's up your alley Gail over at SCG will show you some vid of it ;-)



    I'm assuming we'll see more posts to YouTube over the next few days.




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    The SCG Crew Review videos are definitely better than they used to be, but Gail is still pretty painful to watch. The grinder looks like it does what it promises.
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    ....but you have to admire Gail's passion. If I was in the US I would buy from her that's for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by K_Bean_Coffee View Post
    ....but you have to admire Gail's passion. If I was in the US I would buy from her that's for sure.
    She's certainly been around for a long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeroyC View Post
    The SCG Crew Review videos are definitely better than they used to be, but Gail is still pretty painful to watch. The grinder looks like it does what it promises.
    Thank god they got rid of the lady that used to hold the camera, now she was very loud and high pitched.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Logga View Post
    Thank god they got rid of the lady that used to hold the camera, now she was very loud and high pitched.
    I think she wanted to be in front of the camera based on her incessant jabbering.
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    Quote Originally Posted by baj;
    (3-4 double shots per day), for the scales to work effectively I would need to keep slightly more than enough beans in the hopper for each double shot -leading to staling of the residual beans in the hopper.
    Your consumption rate is a kilo in under 2 weeks.

    At that rate, as long as you're buying or roasting the beans fresh, there's no issue with keeping a couple of days worth in the hopper (assuming the grinder isn't sitting in direct sun etc).

    Fresh beans need to breathe a bit and degas anyway.
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    If you didn't want to throw all your beans in (and with herzog's comment in mind) you could measure out your daily coffee consumption worth in to the hopper once a day. See how the 270w goes measuring it back for you.

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    Bumping this thread as I've heard they should have started to trickle in to Australia now. Has anyone had any hands on experience yet? I'm really eager to get one, but having a Pavoni worries me that the grind wont be fine enough (Though Baratza have assured me they will. They've also said that the minimum portafilter size is 50mm which should cover most(all?) machines anyway. A $600 risk I really don't want to have to take regarding the grind!

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