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    One thing that is absolutely clear to me is that wattgn would hate my setup...
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    Quote Originally Posted by deity6667 View Post
    I did! I have both the Flat and Conical. Hands down the best two grinders i've used for my workflow and needs.
    Having both is extraordinary. If one was limited to one, which would you choose (and why)?

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    When it comes to aesthetics, nothing adds up, that is the whole point. One man's fish is another's poisson. On the other hand there are ugly babies, born in the ugly tree, who then fall and hit every branch on the way down...that's life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melbroaster View Post
    If users are blessed not to be able to taste the multi hour old coffee which forms a portion of their next shot or hide it with milk/sugar then all well and good.
    Never any rancid coffee potential in my Kony - Like a lot of people who own and use this type of grinder, it's brushed out at the end of every session, and there is nothing left behind to taint future brews...

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    As a matter of interest are Kafatek Coffee Snob sponsors, wondering about the live links to the sales site?

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    Denis is a one man business in Seattle. He wouldn't even know this forum existed

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    Quote Originally Posted by dlight View Post
    Denis is a one man business in Seattle. He wouldn't even know this forum existed
    I'm sure he does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dlight View Post
    And I guess this isn't insulting:
    "legally blind or lacked any design sense"
    "making up for poor barista skills?"

    I enjoy the dialogue that the leading edge new products produce. And good for these innovators for creating these products.

    When last did the main stream vendors do anything that truly suits the home coffee enthusiast? They produce commercial machines for commercial use. Sure they are substantial and robust. But who truly needs something that will last longer than they will? A Mazzer will last 10 plus years in a commercial environment. That translates to hundreds of years in a home environment. Who really wants 3g to 5g of stale coffee in their first cup in the morning for the next hundred years?

    So why become highly critical and insulting to those who enjoy machines that are purpose designed for the home enthusiast?

    That was my point.
    I thought the the remarks were being insulting to the inanimate objects rather than the designer, but I guess it is in the eye of the reader.

    Anyhow, the discussion continues.

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    As chokkidog said above:
    "Insulting, judgemental, sarcastic and belittling."
    "The sort of thoughts that take threads completely off track?
    He could have said... "I don't like the design"... a simple sharing of thoughts."

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    I don't give a rat's arse. He could have said he was a two-headed rhinoceros too, but who cares? Moving on....unless someone else wants to keep the merry-go-round spinning?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dlight View Post
    Having both is extraordinary. If one was limited to one, which would you choose (and why)?
    Thats a tough question (probably why i ended up with both).

    I would estimate 70% of the time i use the conical - its probably my favourite for day in day out consistency and predicability and if i could only have one it would be the conical.

    However since i have both and use both everyday my favourite is actually the Flat. When you get to have such well engineered and uncompromising tools you start appreciating the differences and nuances that can be achieved - just having the ability to change the RPM from say 600 to 400 and seeing the change in flow rate and taste is very eye opening to what can be achieved with great equipment.

    my previous owned list of grinders is Super Jolly, Major, Robur, K30, Pharos, K10 - Unless something drastic changes in grinder technology or methodology i'm pretty confident i'm done searching for the grinders which meets my requirements and my tastes. YMMV

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    Quote Originally Posted by deity6667 View Post
    Thats a tough question (probably why i ended up with both).

    I would estimate 70% of the time i use the conical - its probably my favourite for day in day out consistency and predicability and if i could only have one it would be the conical.

    However since i have both and use both everyday my favourite is actually the Flat. When you get to have such well engineered and uncompromising tools you start appreciating the differences and nuances that can be achieved - just having the ability to change the RPM from say 600 to 400 and seeing the change in flow rate and taste is very eye opening to what can be achieved with great equipment.

    my previous owned list of grinders is Super Jolly, Major, Robur, K30, Pharos, K10 - Unless something drastic changes in grinder technology or methodology i'm pretty confident i'm done searching for the grinders which meets my requirements and my tastes. YMMV
    Which one allows you to change RPM? Curious. I assume you are talkimg the conical?

    Yes, grinders I have no issues with. They grind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wattgn View Post
    Which one allows you to change RPM? Curious. I assume you are talkimg the conical?

    Yes, grinders I have no issues with. They grind.
    The flat burr allows you to change rpm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wattgn View Post
    Which one allows you to change RPM? Curious. I assume you are talkimg the conical?
    The Conical is set at 144rpm - the flat has a DC motor and can be controlled from 22-800rpm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BalthazarG View Post
    Now look here, children......

    http://www.polyvore.com/cgi/img-thin...l&tid=30295476

    I said behave!
    Quote Originally Posted by BalthazarG View Post
    I think Clint Eastwood was right when he said we're all living in the "pussy generation", and nobody can express an opinion without someone else making it all about themselves, and getting their knickers in a twist over it.
    Quote Originally Posted by BalthazarG View Post
    I don't give a rat's arse. He could have said he was a two-headed rhinoceros too, but who cares? Moving on....unless someone else wants to keep the merry-go-round spinning?
    Settle down, untwist your knickers. This thread ain't about you.

    It's about a perfectly good grinder.
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    Back on track, very nice machinery deity6667.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deity6667 View Post

    my previous owned list of grinders is Super Jolly, Major, Robur, K30, Pharos, K10 - Unless something drastic changes in grinder technology or methodology i'm pretty confident i'm done searching for the grinders which meets my requirements and my tastes. YMMV
    Had to smile at this, does anyone else see a pattern? pretty sure this won't be your last grinder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    Had to smile at this, does anyone else see a pattern? pretty sure this won't be your last grinder.
    no it wont be - currently looking at grain mills

    back to my post - none of those grinders met all my needs - hence i moved on - as part of this hobby i've certainly enjoyed that exploration phase with different equipment. I learned things and probably came up even in terms of money spent and recovered when i sold things - but i never did the maths.

    with young ones in the house i really care about noise now - a few years ago that wasn't high on the list of wants.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deity6667 View Post
    no it wont be - currently looking at grain mills

    back to my post - none of those grinders met all my needs - hence i moved on - as part of this hobby i've certainly enjoyed that exploration phase with different equipment. I learned things and probably came up even in terms of money spent and recovered when i sold things - but i never did the maths.

    with young ones in the house i really care about noise now - a few years ago that wasn't high on the list of wants.
    Good luck with your quest, I've only ever had three grinders, first was a whirly gizmo with blades (about 40 years ago) destroyed that in a foolish attempt to grind a hand full of soy beans, tore the blades clean off hard little suckers, second one was a Rocky, kept it for almost 10 years, great little grinder, I replaced the Rocky with a Mini Mazzer about 6 years ago, don't feel a need to upgrade from the Mini, guess I'm easily pleased.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    Good luck with your quest, I've only ever had three grinders, first was a whirly gizmo with blades (about 40 years ago) destroyed that in a foolish attempt to grind a hand full of soy beans, tore the blades clean off hard little suckers, second one was a Rocky, kept it for almost 10 years, great little grinder, I replaced the Rocky with a Mini Mazzer about 6 years ago, don't feel a need to upgrade from the Mini, guess I'm easily pleased.
    I kept my last grinder, the Rocky for 12 years. Great little machine and sold it for a good price less than a month ago. I have a Macap now that will be kept a long time just like the Rocky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deity6667 View Post
    Thats a tough question (probably why i ended up with both).However since i have both and use both everyday my favourite is actually the Flat.
    deity6667, I'd be curious to know exactly why you prefer the flat? I know someone already asked you this question above, but I couldn't find a specific answer in your explanation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chokkidog View Post
    Settle down, untwist your knickers. This thread ain't about you.
    Touché, Greg!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BalthazarG View Post
    deity6667, I'd be curious to know exactly why you prefer the flat? I know someone already asked you this question above, but I couldn't find a specific answer in your explanation.
    Probably these things for me tip it in the favour of the Flat:

    Taste: Yes subjective - i prefer the taste of the flat - but it does require more considered preparation.
    RPM adjustment: this is awesome - being able to change flow rate using RPM instead of dose or grind fineness is pretty useful.

    if i wasn't clear before - if i could only have one it would be the conical - but as i have both, i choose the flat between them. The conical is the predicable workhorse - the flat is what i use when i'm in the mood for fun.

    both share the same great build quality, consistency and repeatability when changing grind settings (say going from FP to espresso is no problem and doesn't require flushing old grinds) very negligible grind retention, single dosing!!, very very quiet (as far a grinders go).
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    Quote Originally Posted by kwantfm View Post
    I have the conical with Red Speed burrs. It's wonderful.
    I see he doesn't do the red speed burrs any more. Denis is onto some thing that sounds better, here is his reply to my email.

    I no longer offer Red Speeds as option due to quality problems with burrs. The steel burrs I ship conicals with are really top notch. I have shipped some with Compak Red Speed burrs but those were really inconsistent with high reject rate due to dings/dents, out of round burrs, out of size burrs etc. They work well when they work, but they are way too expensive at $350 and I could not return them back to supplier when I find these burrs which don't perform well.

    Problem is that Red Speed, Lucidate coating just like TiN coating is applied at high temperatures 700F-800F. For that you need heat treated steel. If you do not have heat treated steel then burr may deform, change dimensionally and steel will get softer. Production process for conical burrs does not allow them to use the heat treated steel (they can do that for flat burrs but not for conicals) so they coat them and I assume somebody checks them and ships them. However I received lot of them out of spec, some are so deformed they don't even fit burr carrier...


    So I am working on my own option. There is a special DLC (Diamond Like Carbon) coating that is applied at relatively low temperatures, i.e. the temperatures that will not affect this steel. Its coating used on medical implants, surgical instruments, cutting tools etc. Its harder coating than Red Speed or TiN. There are only 2-3 facilities in US that can do this special process (standard DLC process is also applied at 700-800F). I am working with one of them and I am currently testing those burrs and they work great. If I am happy with them I am going to offer it as an option and it will be cheaper than Red Speeds, I expect price to be between $250-$300 I am trying for $250 so its $100 cheaper than Red Speed.
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    Those burrs would last forever + infiniti x 1,000,000,000 years

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melbroaster View Post
    Those burrs would last forever + infiniti x 1,000,000,000 years
    one thousand million eh? Guess we're just gonna have to take your word for that.

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    Well technically no, they would last for forever + infinity X 1,000,000,000 years. Please note this is just my estimation, if you buy the burrs on my say so and they are not still functioning as at the end of this time period my liability is limited to a complementary condolence beer......

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    Hmmm...

    The diamond Styli of the various cartridges used for playing my Vinyl Records only last about 1200-1500 Hrs before they need to be replaced, and Vinyl is way softer than the average coffee bean...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dimal View Post
    Hmmm...

    The diamond Styli of the various cartridges used for playing my Vinyl Records only last about 1200-1500 Hrs before they need to be replaced, and Vinyl is way softer than the average coffee bean...

    Mal.
    Do you still have a turntable set up Mal?

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    Yes mate, I do...
    Listen to it quite a bit and currently in the throws of archiving our collection...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dimal View Post
    Yes mate, I do...
    Listen to it quite a bit and currently in the throws of archiving our collection...

    Mal.
    Whoops, think we did this once before, had a conversation re transferring vinyl to HD, I finished up putting it into the too hard box.

    Now back to the Kafatek, sorry people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deity6667 View Post
    no it wont be - currently looking at grain mills
    Sighted this in Port Broughton S.A. when out and about yesterday, immediately thought of you, may well be what your after.


    Mill.jpg
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    That sure shut down the conversation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dlight View Post
    That sure shut down the conversation.
    What conversation!?
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    Exactly...

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    The Monoliths are back in pre-order. And flying away at an amazing speed as well .

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    Yep, I'm in for one of the conicals, which are disappearing much faster than the more expensive flats. The conicals will be gone in a few hours, and flats, not long after.

    I genuinely think all the hype about this grinder is true. A real game-changer in so many ways, albeit expensive, especially for Australian buyers. Anyway, I put my money where my mouth is.

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    If anyone has any questions i own both the flat and the conical - i will say - there is no hype these are damn great grinders if you single dose. I would not hesitate to recommend them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deity6667 View Post
    If anyone has any questions i own both the flat and the conical - i will say - there is no hype these are damn great grinders if you single dose. I would not hesitate to recommend them.
    Apologies if it was asked before but how's the flat's grind for brew?

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    Quote Originally Posted by roburu View Post
    Apologies if it was asked before but how's the flat's grind for brew?

    put it this way-i'm about to sell my ditting 804 (with machined burrs) as i don't use it anymore. Switching between different grind types is effortless and the retention is practically negligible
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    Just got home and have seen the email, tried to get a conical but they seem to be all gone.

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    Yep they go from announcement that a production run is starting to sell out in a few hours total

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    Ordered one. I have a bit of a collection now. I single dose with a Elektra Nino and Compak A8, so the Monolith will be a very compact alternative.

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    People that have ordered previously, what was the shipping cost? Shame the USD/AUD is so bad

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    Its $200 usd

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    [QUOTE=deity6667;599300]If anyone has any questions i own both the flat and the conical
    Of course you got the 220v version for NZ, did you have to buy a 220v cable for it and was there no worries working it from there?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Melbroaster View Post
    Yep they go from announcement that a production run is starting to sell out in a few hours total
    Just wondering Melbroaster did you manage to get a conical?

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    Didnt on that run. Still hope to....

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    I got my flat in the last run. I will echo deity6667's sentiment. Love this grinder for single dosing. Now considering a conical...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    one thousand million eh? Guess we're just gonna have to take your word for that.
    Now you're just trying to hide your real age old chap

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