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    Just got one, wooohoo , when i got up there were 7 left , 15 minutes later only 2 left. Probably sold out now

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    Quote Originally Posted by kofekitt View Post
    Just got one, wooohoo , when i got up there were 7 left , 15 minutes later only 2 left. Probably sold out now
    Way to go. One conical left.

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    Conicals sold out now, a few flats left.

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    Yep, they went while I was umming and aghing about it. Conical or flat? Black bits (but they might get scratched, look better though). Have you ever seen such a high priced item sell out so quickly?

    Problem is if we get the email at that sort of hour (I think I saw it at 6am) and they sell out at 7am, what hope have we (Aus & NZ time zones) got to get them?

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    really thinking about the flat. i currently run a kony-e. i'd hope that the flat would:
    - improve what i get in the cup
    - waste less coffee (currently have a hopper on the kony and im going thru 45 g to test a grind size adjustment)
    - be quieter
    - lead me to experiment with grind adjustment more (and maybe even different beans)

    re: grinders i've gone from a stepped bezzera (junk) to a pharos (unusable for mine) to a super jolly (v good) to a kony-e. really noticed the change to a kony. consistently better shots.

    does anyone think i'll have a similar result with the monolith flat? as in a noticeable improvement in espresso results? also i'm not 100% convinced that the waste-less single shot approach won't be a huge let down compared to the current convenience of beans in a hopper (albeit with waste of purging). i see videos of people sweeping out fines and measuring beans and just wonder if it is for me.

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    G'day "mrgray"...

    Best thing really would be to suss out a couple of reputable specialist coffee shops who own both large conicals and large flat-burr grinders, then try your favourite drink from each with the same barista. Try a few, no need to drink the entire cup but at least you should get enough consistency going to allow you to make a decision on what's best for you...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrgray View Post
    i'd hope that the flat would:
    - improve what i get in the cup
    - waste less coffee (currently have a hopper on the kony and im going thru 45 g to test a grind size adjustment)
    - be quieter
    - lead me to experiment with grind adjustment more (and maybe even different beans)
    Hi mrgray, don't think there are many Monoliths owners here so will pass on what I read/know..

    Do you have your coffee straight as espresso or in milk drink? Do you prefer light roasts or the darker spectrum? The taste difference, if any, is only really noticeable in espresso. The flat works better if you prefer lighter roasts (not necessarily super light roasts). If you prefer darker roasts especially those into second crack, it may not be so much of an improvement.

    As for single shot(single dosing) approach, it's really up to you to find out. I am skimpy on roasted coffee beans (especially the rare/good ones!). I've tried hopper dosing for a bit but couldn't bear myself to purge perfectly OK coffee(even if only a few grams) into the bin, and couldn't bring myself to waste my daily caffeine quota on coffee that I know was made with partially stale ground. So I went back to single dosing shortly after.

    Single dosing is slightly more work, but you get guaranteed fresh coffee every time and zero/minimal wastage. The Monolith is designed so that you don't have to work so much to get single dosing to work (no brushing the chute or doser). If you dislike the weighing aspect, maybe just scoop them out from a jar with a dosing spoon? Weighing is really more accurate/consistent though...

    As for the rest of your hope/checklist (other than the first one which may be a bit more subjective/subtle), the Monolith does fullfill all of them.
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    Kafatek Monolith

    I have a Monolith Conical.
    There is zero coffee wastage
    Amazingly quiet
    Simple to make adjustments from shot to shot.

    Regarding improving what you get in the cup, it really depends on your current grinder. I would imagine the Kone-e does a great job already. I can comment that you will find flavour differences.

    I also have a Electra Nino conical, and a Mazzer Super Jolly (flat). The Monolith is simply superior to the Super Jolly in the cup. However, relative to the Electra it is different, not superior.

    The Monolith is very quick to setup, since you always use a consistent amount of coffee. The others simply take longer, since you usually have to change the timer if you change the grind.

    The Monolith is way quicker to set up if you change coffee regularly (which I do). The Electra is quicker in use (but not setup) if you're making multiple shots.

    I enjoy the routine of making coffee. It is a break for me from whatever I was doing before. So weighing the dose each time is simply part of my routine. If you're in a rush in the morning, or making many coffee's at a time, then perhaps stay with what you've got. Or use both and enjoy the diversity.
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    i'd like to thank people for their answers in regard to my questions. i've contacted kafetek; nothing much happening right now. $500 deposits on future machines would appear to be sold out. i'm entirely set on getting the flat, mainly because i think it looks fantastic. the ability to change rpm sounds neat too, albeit another variable in a pursuit which doesn't exactly lack them.

    i don't expect a real improvement in flavour over the kony-e. i will use less coffee though and also different kinds of coffee. currently i can go thru a significant portion of a small bag (say 250g) dialing it in and so i tend not to bother and stick to my home roast.

    i wonder how the designer dealt with the pop-corning issue where grind quality is impacted (i.e. better grind from beans which are loaded by other beans on top).

    incidental to the subject of the thread but the exercise (of reading up on the Monolith and associated topics) has made me focus on my espresso method to a great degree and i am now using WDT. big improvements on time to blonding. i don't have a naked PF but i presume i was getting alot of channelling before, not something i was picking on. also extractions were too slow, not enough coffee in basket, overly fine.
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    I emailed Denis about the question of pop-corning... I had suggested a weighted cap that would push down on the beans whilst grinding. He told me that he'd tested both and that with the low RPM of the grinder that there was no extraction yield difference between having a weight on top of the beans and not.
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    @kwantfm - interesting that, as kony single dose enthusiasts talk about having to have a much different grind adjustment when single dosing as opposed to using a hopper (much finer).

    i have some broader questions and think this is an OK place to post them (as opposed to a brand new thread).

    i'm pretty keen on buying the monolith flat. as always the prospect of a significant (for me) purchase like this leads to alot of internet research.

    and the question in my head is "what am i going to get out of my ~ $3.4k purchase that i don't already have". so the issue there is what can the monolith do that the kony-e cannot. (here i am focussing on the rational benefits, i am aware however there are irrational aspects to the purchase but of course they are quite personal/subjective).

    i would say that the kony-e (with hopper) is leading to alot of wasted coffee. so if i want to adjust my grind i find myself having to go thru 54g at least. and of course every time i make a cup (around 6 times a day), i find myself purging one shot (18g). why the "freshness" purge size is less than the "grind adjustment" purge size i do not know.

    now people have set the kony-e up for single dosing it seems. i wonder how successful that is and what the drawbacks are? possible drawbacks for me might be the safety aspect and also the amount of work required to minimise retention. i'd prefer not to do RDT. but rdt sounds preferable to getting the brush out every time one grinds a dose.

    another issue is this, i might prefer the kony in the cup. that of course would be a bit of a downer but i probably have to accept it might happen. the kony is a great grinder. it lifted my game completely. all other things being ok, i'm making the best coffee of my life right now. and looking at the whole coffee making system, which for me includes selecting green beans and roasting, current grinder is not the weak link.

    it would however be great if i could grind one style of bean one minute, then put totally different beans in and grind them. no waste, no purge. it would be great if i could sample the grind, decide to change grind size, and then test the new grind size without having to purge. and i might be wrong but i don't think i can do that with a kony.

    this is a bit of a ramble, but any comments?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrgray View Post
    @kwantfm - interesting that, as kony single dose enthusiasts talk about having to have a much different grind adjustment when single dosing as opposed to using a hopper (much finer).

    i have some broader questions and think this is an OK place to post them (as opposed to a brand new thread).

    i'm pretty keen on buying the monolith flat. as always the prospect of a significant (for me) purchase like this leads to alot of internet research.

    and the question in my head is "what am i going to get out of my ~ $3.4k purchase that i don't already have". so the issue there is what can the monolith do that the kony-e cannot. (here i am focussing on the rational benefits, i am aware however there are irrational aspects to the purchase but of course they are quite personal/subjective).

    i would say that the kony-e (with hopper) is leading to alot of wasted coffee. so if i want to adjust my grind i find myself having to go thru 54g at least. and of course every time i make a cup (around 6 times a day), i find myself purging one shot (18g). why the "freshness" purge size is less than the "grind adjustment" purge size i do not know.

    now people have set the kony-e up for single dosing it seems. i wonder how successful that is and what the drawbacks are? possible drawbacks for me might be the safety aspect and also the amount of work required to minimise retention. i'd prefer not to do RDT. but rdt sounds preferable to getting the brush out every time one grinds a dose.

    another issue is this, i might prefer the kony in the cup. that of course would be a bit of a downer but i probably have to accept it might happen. the kony is a great grinder. it lifted my game completely. all other things being ok, i'm making the best coffee of my life right now. and looking at the whole coffee making system, which for me includes selecting green beans and roasting, current grinder is not the weak link.

    it would however be great if i could grind one style of bean one minute, then put totally different beans in and grind them. no waste, no purge. it would be great if i could sample the grind, decide to change grind size, and then test the new grind size without having to purge. and i might be wrong but i don't think i can do that with a kony.

    this is a bit of a ramble, but any comments?
    If you're already doing home roasting, you're obviously happy to put some effort in. You could get a big manual grinder that would probably do 99% of what you want with a little bit of elbow grease.

    Use the money saved to buy a DE1 or a few years of green beans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrgray View Post
    it would however be great if i could grind one style of bean one minute, then put totally different beans in and grind them. no waste, no purge. it would be great if i could sample the grind, decide to change grind size, and then test the new grind size without having to purge. and i might be wrong but i don't think i can do that with a kony.
    The Monolith does exactly what you describe.

    I can also do this with the Electra Nino, using it to single dose. The Nino also has no retention to speak of - it ejects all the grinds in the grind chamber. However, while it takes about 4.5 seconds to grind 20g with a hopper of beans in place, it takes about 10 seconds when single dosing due to popcorning. The grind setting is also set finer when single dosing. Clearly the grind is very different, as a result. And tastewise? Both taste great!

    And the Nino costs about the same as the Monolith. Second hand it is way less.

    I suspect the retention is going to be your issue with the Kone-e.

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    Mythos 1 would also fit the bill

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    But it is seriously ugly

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    Beauty is in the eye of the beholder
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    Quote Originally Posted by dlight View Post
    But it is seriously ugly
    And the Mythos is even more seriously huge. The Monoliths get equivalent quality and less no-fuss retention to any of the commercial behomeths in a domestic-sized package. That's the whole point of the grinder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chopinhauer View Post
    And the Mythos is even more seriously huge. The Monoliths get equivalent quality and less no-fuss retention to any of the commercial behomeths in a domestic-sized package. That's the whole point of the grinder.
    I took the ugly comment as referring to the Mythos... Do tend to think the Monolith has a face only a mother could love though.

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    obviously looks are subjective however when it comes to grinders what have we really got? off the top of my head aesthetically it is stuff that looks like mazzers. i mean 99% of all grinders look pretty much the same. then you have the esoteria such as hg-1, versalab, ek43, monolith. personally i would, on looks, take any of the esoteria just because they are different looking (i however own a kony-e).

    the best looking grinder though must be the m3. monolith flat a close second. YMMV.

    ok just checked and m3 with doser does look good. m3 without doser not so much. monolith flat is in a tie with the ek43 i think.
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    Ditto the Kony-E. Ugly beast but functional nonetheless...

    I do like the 1950s era grinders - there's an incredible example in Cassatis Deli in Collingwood. The ECM V-Titan gives a head nod to that style but yeah - they're basically all chrome cylinders with a perspex cylinder on top and another cylinder or funnel on the front, really. 🤷
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    My Monolith (flat) gave better shots than a Compak a8.Slightly thinner, but with more sweetness and clarity. Dialed to both best shot and constant time (with identical dose/ yield in both cases). Haven't tested against a conical but I tend to drink a lot of very light roasts.

    If you drink filter my Monolith's filters are MILES ahead of the Cunhill I was using previously.

    The titus grinding's efforts are probably the prettiest I've seen but $$$$$$$$. On single dosing I find a far less fussy experience with less retention / cleaning/waste than any of the other grinders I had on hand (A8, Cunhill tranquillo, RR65). YMMV

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    @plestor - can you swap from one bean to another without any purging (assuming of course you know what grind setting you want)?

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    There is nothing left inside so nothing to purge

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    it's just hard to get one's head around. so nothing left in it and so change grind size and then grind and no waste. the ability to swap around what beans i am using perhaps sounds trivial but it is so far from where i am right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrgray View Post
    it's just hard to get one's head around. so nothing left in it and so change grind size and then grind and no waste.
    Once you get used to it, it will be equally hard to get your head around how were you able to put up with a hopper for so long.

    Here's a video of the Monolith - a compelling reason why single dosing is for home users (who do not have lots of beans to burn through).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9wk4cXRnDg
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    yes that video is very interesting. an odd thing however is that he appear to be looking at shot time from when he starts the timer, not when the first drop comes out. slightly off topic but i thought convention was to time a shot from when the first of the coffee comes out, ignoring the run up including any pre-infusion.

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    I find the convention is only helpful when you're starting out with nothing as baseline. Every machine has a different preinfusion function so counting from pump on will be a bit iffy anyway. I'm using a lever machine now so that's even more irrelevant. I find on my setup, the shot usually tastes best with 5-15 sec preinfusion and about 25-35 sec flow time.


    p/s: I read your comment and assumed you meant to say he started the timer from pump on....in that video, I did not see how he started the timer. There is a mode on Acaia where the timer is started when the coffee weight is detected in the cup (counted from first drip), and I think he's using that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrgray View Post
    i thought convention was to time a shot from when the first of the coffee comes out, ignoring the run up including any pre-infusion.
    I've never heard anyone suggest that, tbh.
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    Interesting... just read in the comments for that YouTube video that the Monolith came with a WDT needle setup that he uses in the vid... I wonder why it would come with it, it being such an expensive quality grinder I wouldn't think it necessary to use that...

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    @simonsk8r - yes it does come with the WDT tool however some use it and some don't. i'm not sure though that clumping is indicative of lack of grinder quality. on the bright side the other "intervention" RDT - might not be required. certainly it seems some users have declared their intent not to. i too was surprised though that a new and improved grinder might lead to me doing more "work" than i currently do with the kony-e. then again on the positive side before i started looking at the grinder as an upgrade i didn't know RDT and WDT existed, and WDT has greatly improved my shots since i recently implemented it.

    @magic_matt - timer starting from first flow of coffee came from a decent espresso video i watched the other day. i've just started using an acaia scale and that's how i was timing my shots. is it convention then that timing starts from pre-infusion, or from when full pressure is applied? pls help a noob out.

    and @samuellaw178 - he is using the other acaia mode (triangle on square). i haven't used it but it seems to me for this one you manually start the timer. the mode you are talking about is a water droplet and a square. i use that one myself.
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    I am used to the time starting from the start of preinfusion, from the time the water is in contact with the puck.

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    ok sorry this is off-topic re: the mighty monolith, but it is about coffee so if i might pls be suffered.

    @ level3ninja - well that changes things i think. as i have been looking at say a flow rate of 1g per s, but from the time it starts pouring.

    i suppose this stuff has been covered hundreds of times in here, but for some reason i find it difficult to find (wrong search terms i suspect). does anyone have a reference for suggested flow rates please? (i realise i really need to talk about ml/s for it to be a "flow rate", however i'm using a scale to weigh the extraction, so i guess it could be expressed in weight per time?)

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    Flow rate is different. For true flow rate you need to know the entire amount of water in the entire amount of time, however you probably won't be measuring the puck after you extract to determine the amount of water still in there. To determine flow rate only measuring the liquid in the cup, start timing from when it hits the cup. A normal espresso recipe "Xg in, Xg out in 30s" or whatever, that usually includes the preinfusion, although I'm finding it more common these days to have preinfusion specified as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrgray View Post
    @simonsk8r - yes it does come with the WDT tool however some use it and some don't. i'm not sure though that clumping is indicative of lack of grinder quality. on the bright side the other "intervention" RDT - might not be required. certainly it seems some users have declared their intent not to. i too was surprised though that a new and improved grinder might lead to me doing more "work" than i currently do with the kony-e. then again on the positive side before i started looking at the grinder as an upgrade i didn't know RDT and WDT existed, and WDT has greatly improved my shots since i recently implemented it.
    Ah ok right fair enough, I guess it's a method to improve results for many, regardless of grinder. Have never heard of RDT, just looked it up, wwwowza that's bizarre! Will look into that haha thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrgray View Post
    @plestor - can you swap from one bean to another without any purging (assuming of course you know what grind setting you want)?
    Yes.
    I can write down the settings and get bang on shots changing beans and even pulling a filter in between*.

    This is a godsend given I'll often have 2-3 bags on the go at a time. *Obviously if you wait days you get bean /environment drift. Nothing significant in 99% of cases.

    Routine is as follows
    measure 20.0g in ramekin.
    Spray (rdt)
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    Tare grinder + collar
    Check weight WDT
    Side Tap if wdt isn't level enough
    OCD v2
    Tamp (pullman bigstep)
    Pull Clean Maybe ~ 2:30-3 min /shot, but I can halve it when rushing*.

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    I am fanatical about wanting great shots but it is this number of steps and time that hold me back. My current mythos/lmlm based preshot workflow is dose, verify dose weight, distribute, tamp and even that feels a bit cumbersome
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    Never timed my preshot but maybe 20 seconds?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melbroaster View Post
    I am fanatical about wanting great shots but it is this number of steps and time that hold me back. My current mythos/lmlm based preshot workflow is dose, verify dose weight, distribute, tamp and even that feels a bit cumbersome
    Its actually worse!

    I also forgot the purge routine
    Tap the entry chute,
    purge button,
    tap out exit chute,
    purge again.

    The thing is that these are really short actions. I really don't thinks its too bad.

    The time consuming thing in the routine is actually the grind time at 360rpm (VERY SLOW).

    800rpm is normalish speeds (10s).

    Without testing I'd guess that its ~ 6x slower (proportional to energy /rpm^2) maybe a minute a shot.

    Listing out the steps makes everything seem hard /long.




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    Dump bean container (or weight)
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    Swirl and Tap to level
    Tamp n go.

    Maybe 20s including the grind.

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    hey kwantfm, i noted from another thread that you've visited the man who makes the grinders! how exciting. is there a thread somewhere here where you elaborate at all? i am keenly awaiting the announcement of the next order. anything monolith related is of interest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrgray View Post
    hey kwantfm, i noted from another thread that you've visited the man who makes the grinders! how exciting. is there a thread somewhere here where you elaborate at all? i am keenly awaiting the announcement of the next order. anything monolith related is of interest.
    I don't tend to cross post and did write about this visit on another site

    http://www.home-barista.com/grinders...it-t42132.html
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    Wow.... Those bench pics... If I ever own one of those machines it would be immaculately clean and only have coffee accessories that compliment it kept near it in an orderly and uncluttered fashion. You would have to assume the love for it by the condition it was kept in compared to the house around it. His on the other hand you know they are loved through use! Amazing machines but even better that they are so readily used that they are covered in gear. If my wife ever tells me my coffee machine has gone to a better place that's what I'll imagine, once I regain consciousness.

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    wow again! thanks a bunch kwantfm. that just upped the want factor substantially but also made me think "hey, maybe its not one or the other in this world, just have them all!". hydra, cremina, slayer, londinium. and on it goes. wow!

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    I would expect the next offering within a week or so.
    They have shipped about 2/3rd of the current batch.
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    that ties in fairly well with what denis told me. he advised late august for next order.

    i am wondering whether i am being foolish. surely i could adjust my quite wonderful kony to single dose?

    landed the monolith flat is going to cost me around 3.7k i think. that's a bunch of money. i do think the grinder is more important than the espresso machine, but i already have a kony-e, which is a very good grinder i think.

    but then i try and single dose the kony-e and i immediately come up against a few issues which are:
    - sweeping out chute - hate doing it
    - without a hopper of beans grind size changes.
    - grinds clinging to chute
    - tapping and turning on grinder to get retention out - hate it

    also, my impression is that it takes the kony a few shots to settle on a newly selected grind size. however this is an impression formed when i still had the grill on the chute. the grill was really backing up the grinds (and was the cause of alot of clumping i was getting). so it may not be a valid point anymore.

    i need to be prepared to put my deposit down on this monolith as soon as it becomes available. can anyone provide any advice for me in regard to single dosing the kony-e. i'd be especially interested in hearing from a kony-e user who does single dose on it.

    i may also be guilty of trying to get rational about what is to some degree simply an irrational purchase. as in, i really like the monolith flat. i think it looks like the bees knees and based on user impressions, there isn't alot of disappointment around.

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    Hmm, I can't help you in terms of knowing much about the Kony or Monolith grinder, but I'm currently trying to design a workflow using hopper dosing that will resemble single dosing in certain ways: a) minimising retention, b) reduce wastage, and c) allows easier grind changes.
    I still think some minor purging will be required, but pretty minimal, am going to tape the routine at some stage after I've nutted it out haha.

    It won't allow for easy bean changes as I'll have my hopper more or less full, it will hopefully allow for easier grind change, and also end of session waste reduced.

    But good luck with your decision haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrgray View Post

    i am wondering whether i am being foolish. surely i could adjust my quite wonderful kony to single dose?

    landed the monolith flat is going to cost me around 3.7k i think. that's a bunch of money. i do think the grinder is more important than the espresso machine, but i already have a kony-e, which is a very good grinder i think.

    but then i try and single dose the kony-e and i immediately come up against a few issues which are:
    - sweeping out chute - hate doing it
    - without a hopper of beans grind size changes.
    - grinds clinging to chute
    - tapping and turning on grinder to get retention out - hate it
    You sounded exactly like me many months/a year ago. You may try resist it as long as you want...do a million things to justify why you don't need the Monolith..but most likely you will break down eventually and get the right tool to do it properly (provided it doesn't break the bank and you can still pay the bill on time, life comes first!)

    Seriously I had a hard time swallowing the price, or even get past the mindset barrier - as the Monolith is single-handedly the most expensive thing I've ever purchased coffee-wise! But once you accepted it and budgeted for it, the number is just a number...if you consider the resale value, it isn't too bad..you could easily spend that much on a vacation, with nothing remains after that (except for photos and memories with important but intangible values).

    Before I decided to place the deposit, I have tried to make a Robur E works for single dosing, bought a used Versalab only to find it's not the answer, got second hand but mint Mythos & K30 only to realize that hopper dosing just isn't really the same despite how 'low' the retention is...also had a HG-1 that didn't quite suit me..suffice to say I have tried all grinders available but none does it. Currently single dosing a Compak E10 but mainly I am using a hand grinder (Helor 101) in the morning due to noise.. Here's hoping the Monolith is the silver bullet I am hoping for..it's due to arrive within a few days (Conical version).


    Most grinders can be worked to single dose with <0.2g retention, including the Kony. The question is how much extra faff, and if the consistency/grind quality is compromised. I seem to notice a wee bit more shot-to-shot inconsistency (in timing, not ideal though still acceptable) using Robur E maybe because of the high RPM (causing more popcorning effect). The Compak E10 is better at handling single dosing, but it's got minor variance occasionally too. Then I realize when I place my hand on the upper burr carrier on the E10, I can feel it vibrate when the beans are grinding (means there is some slight play in the mechanism - the Mazzer is supposedly even worse in that aspect). That might be some of the reason for inconsistency as they're not designed for single dosing.
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    Have you seen the soon to be released Mazzer zm digital, no retention, single dosing

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    simonsk8r, samuellaw178 and logga thank you for your replies.

    what a wonderful scope of reply, simonsk8r with encouragement re: single dosing and DIY, samuel basically saying "live a little" (and i agree) and Logga with another grinder entirely to think of.

    based on your reply samuel seems to me that whilst other grinders can be modified, it is all about ease of work flow.

    ok i ma off to try and find out something about this new mazzer.
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    I’ve had a motorized HG1 since they were first released, It will probably be on the market soon and I expect it will bring a reasonable price. It’s a very good grinder but upgraditis is a problem.

    I picked up an excellent Kony-E at auction about a year ago and kept it for several months. I just don’t think the cavity under the burrs is compatible with single dosing and it dwarfed everything else around. I sold it back into a commercial environment where I’m sure it’s perfect.

    The Monolith Flat apart from price I think is the almost perfect single dose home grinder. (and it's a lot less expensive than some others that have been discussed)
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    The mazzer zm is a filter grinder. Apparently you can get espresso burrs for it but that wasnt the intention when they designed it.

    Be interesting to see how it goes with espresso

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