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    Quote Originally Posted by mrgray View Post
    simonsk8r, samuellaw178 and logga thank you for your replies.

    what a wonderful scope of reply, simonsk8r with encouragement re: single dosing and DIY, samuel basically saying "live a little" (and i agree) and Logga with another grinder entirely to think of.

    based on your reply samuel seems to me that whilst other grinders can be modified, it is all about ease of work flow.

    ok i ma off to try and find out something about this new mazzer.
    The ZM is a bit pricey and big, but with espresso burrs it could be good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trentski View Post
    The mazzer zm is a filter grinder. Apparently you can get espresso burrs for it but that wasnt the intention when they designed it.

    Be interesting to see how it goes with espresso
    Yes that's true with filter burrs, but then put espresso burrs in it, and what do you know, its an espresso grinder. And they are making a portafilter holder for it to.

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    How much is the 'zm filter display' model going to be?

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    there is one on sale for $3,300 here in Oz on ebay

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    however you might need to then buy the espresso burrs if that is your goal. i don't know the cost of those.

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    That $3300 ZM is the older model of ZM before the new one with a LED faceplate. Almost certainly use the 83mm burrs from Mazzer Major.


    Btw, the Monolith is here! Shipped on Friday and here on Monday, awesome! Much easier and more even bottomless pour on VST too. Seems like the alignment talk is real.
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    Congratulations! Can't wait to hear your thoughts on it.
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    Damn........ thats awesome
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    Just put the Monolith Conical through its pace for my morning coffee...


    I can see why there're so many home barista that get infatuated by the Monoliths...there's no voodoo or anything magical about it. But it's just the level of details - everything done so right that, all the work flow and results that fit together, as what a grinder should've been - that's the magic in itself.

    So compact. The most compact electric grinder I have had on my bench. Now I have so much space that I don't know what should I do with it No wonder some get a second Monolith after their first one, it's a conspiracy!

    So easy to use - super even pour even for newbie (I think I am no newbie but the ease of textbook perfect naked pour just awed me).

    So consistent - shot after shot is just predictable.

    So gentle - grinders are always a beast by nature - they roar, they vibrate and they make noise. This is a gentle kitten when grinding. I've not seen anything like that.

    So forgiving - the grind setting sweet spot is so broad that it's hard to screw it up. One of the best adjustment mechanism I've had used.

    Often you get a tick or two out of the above, but never all of them come together in a single grinder. Mind you, it's a new grinder that's not broken in yet.

    It's not zero retention yet at the moment, and some work need to be done. Very close though (I hear the static gets reduced and it gets better).

    It's really a grinder for home enthusiasts like none other on the market. If you single dose, there's really nothing like it.
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    So do you like it?

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    Well, do I like it? I dunno...words just can't even describe it... but I believe my search for 'the' grinder has ended after all these years. That is, if it continues to perform as it does on day 1 (or day 2, technically speaking, since I received it yesterday). Only time will tell this one.

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    The last release was very early on a Saturday morning, on the basis of that and the current assembly situation I wouldn't be surprised if the next offering was this coming Saturday.

    This is absolute speculation on my behalf, I have no other information.

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    If you miss out it's worth emailing Dennis, that's how I got my conical, I got home from work and buy the time I read the email all the conicals were gone so emailed him and he had a spear.

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    If he's got a spear I wouldn't mess with him

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    Hahaha.. ah this thread has been Monolithic I reckon enjoying it's progression!

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    i wonder how many grinders come up for sale in each run denis is producing? anyway, i emailed him today and was advised that in line with greg's prognostications, this week is the week. denis provided advice that the email to those subscribed (via the kafetek site) would go out at around 10 am (aust. eastern std time). i will be trying to buy a flat.

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    Damn. The mythos has only been here for a short while but temptation is starting....

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    uh oh. now melbroaster sounds like competition.

    ladies and gentlemen, hands on mouses and get ready to click!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrgray View Post
    i wonder how many grinders come up for sale in each run denis is producing? anyway, i emailed him today and was advised that in line with greg's prognostications, this week is the week. denis provided advice that the email to those subscribed (via the kafetek site) would go out at around 10 am (aust. eastern std time). i will be trying to buy a flat.
    You should have enough time to get a flat they take longer than the conicals to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by level3ninja View Post
    If he's got a spear I wouldn't mess with him
    Yeah watch out if it stabs you, its got burrs on the end of it and they grind in.
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    Its not going to win any beauty competitions

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    I think there are about 85 grinders in the current batch, about equal numbers of conicals and flats.

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    Yes for sure. Compared to the PC-tower AKA Mythos, or K30 the tin can, the Monolith is still a lot better (in person at least and I have/had all three). The Monolith looks well finished and super compact/solid. Nothing hollow about it, unlike the Mythos or K30 - when you tap on the body it's obviously a thin piece of sheet metal/plastic.

    If someone is looking for a beauty, I think the Versalab is unbeatable, followed by the HG-1 (huge bench space hogger though, good thing that it looks great).

    The real test though is when you use them - early days, but the Monolith brought lots of smile on my face. I've never had that much satisfaction even when I get the Versalab or HG-1 new so I don't think it's a new toy syndrome/honeymoon effect.

    Gawd, I sound like a fan boy.

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    Oh, I know what I can say about the Monolith though! For a ~$3000 grinder(close to 500 went to DHL and tax), it did not come with a $15 power cord! Also, it wasn't packed in cut-out styrofoam, but in one of those Instapak expanding foam. If Kafatek increases the price by $50 or something (for inventory cost), I'm sure it can be included, but I think the buyer would rather not...

    Beyond my expectation though, it did come with a super well made dosing funnel (pretty hefty and ergonomically shaped with anodized black finish), a heavy sub-500g 58.4mm OCD-style groomer and a WDT stick, along with other bits
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    Quote Originally Posted by samuellaw178 View Post
    Yes for sure. Compared to the PC-tower AKA Mythos, or K30 the tin can, the Monolith is still a lot better (in person at least and I have/had all three). The Monolith looks well finished and super compact/solid. Nothing hollow about it, unlike the Mythos or K30 - when you tap on the body it's obviously a thin piece of sheet metal/plastic.

    If someone is looking for a beauty, I think the Versalab is unbeatable, followed by the HG-1 (huge bench space hogger though, good thing that it looks great).

    The real test though is when you use them - early days, but the Monolith brought lots of smile on my face. I've never had that much satisfaction even when I get the Versalab or HG-1 new so I don't think it's a new toy syndrome/honeymoon effect.

    Gawd, I sound like a fan boy.
    Yes it is solidly made, quite heavy for its small size. And what it's made for, single dossing it's awesome. I like the look of it and compact size. It looks better on the bench than the massive huge Kony I had.
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    re: aesthetics i cannot think of a pretty grinder than the monolith flat other than the ek-43. i do love the versalab one too but mainly the bean dispenser that looks super cool on that one (IMHO).

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    The Lyn Weber EG1 is also a good looking grinder

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    I would say the best looking grinder I've seen would have to be the Titus.

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    How about the Elektra Nino? Stunning sculptured, Italian beast.
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    Mahlkonig k30 is interesting. Maybe one for the Dr Who fans

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    for anyone interested deposits now available on monolith grinders. i did not get an email even though i am definitely on the list. wait, just did.

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    also it looks like only 30 of each available, which is now down to 27 flats and 25 conicals.

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    flats ahead of the conicals!!! 23 to 25. could it be that their dreamy looks have swayed the great unwashed?

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    no longer shipping with a wooden cap. Denis is sayng there will be a cap, but a wood one is an optional extra. i don't know why but i find the idea of paying $40 US for a wooden cap a bit much. that's reasonable however juxtaposed against the purchase of the entire grinder (which is not cheap), it really doesn't stack up.

    30 minutes after orders opened and 9 of each are gone, 21 left.

    now just gotta wait 3 months. aarrrgghhh!!!!!!

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    well now it is what i would have expected. around 50 mins later and conicals are down to 10, whilst still 18 flats left. must be an interesting situation for denis when he can get such interest in his product. clearly there is still alot of work in it for him otherwise why run such limited numbers.

    anyway good luck to anyone interested in picking one up.

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    Wow, preopen started less than about an hour ago?? 10 conical and 17 flat left..There's way too many people with too much money...hahahaha

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    Which one did you get mrgray?

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    i have put a deposit down on a flat. for no other reason than i like the look of it over the conical.
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    I resisted (again). Not sure how long i can though!

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    Who ended up placing a preorder?

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    well in an interesting development Kafetek have changed the way the default flat looks (conical too but i'm not interested in that too much). what Denis has done is introduce a safety cap and this replaces (except for the people who just got their batch) the wood lid.

    so from a workflow perspective this might be a good thing (can run it prior to having beans in and no lid to take off).

    it is my contention however that the flat does not look as pretty when it is pointy like this. the shortness of the top chute arrangement is more pleasing to the eye IMHO.

    what say others?

    also one can ask for any part of this grinder to be black. attached is an example. it costs extra to make bits black. 150 USD for the motor. 150 for the other bits (except the red plate). 45 for the red plate. in an ideal world i would get everything black except the red plate. would that be a crazy thing to do or am i already in that space having put a deposit down for this thing today so what the hell?



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    I reckon if you've gone that far you may as well go all the way. No good to look at it every day wishing it was slightly different. Are you going to use this for years and appreciate the craftsmanship and precision engineering? Then do it. If you're like me it's better when things are significantly imperfect because when they're close all I can think about is how much better it would be if only....
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrgray View Post
    well in an interesting development Kafetek have changed the way the default flat looks (conical too but i'm not interested in that too much). what Denis has done is introduce a safety cap and this replaces (except for the people who just got their batch) the wood lid.

    so from a workflow perspective this might be a good thing (can run it prior to having beans in and no lid to take off).

    it is my contention however that the flat does not look as pretty when it is pointy like this. the shortness of the top chute arrangement is more pleasing to the eye IMHO.

    what say others?

    also one can ask for any part of this grinder to be black. attached is an example. it costs extra to make bits black. 150 USD for the motor. 150 for the other bits (except the red plate). 45 for the red plate. in an ideal world i would get everything black except the red plate. would that be a crazy thing to do or am i already in that space having put a deposit down for this thing today so what the hell?


    Yes it does look nicer with the wooden cap, so just get a wooden cap and take the finger friendly one off.

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    Mr Gray, I am with Ninja in getting what you want but I just checked the site and realised it is US$150 each for motor, body, funnel and exit chute. US$600 (+duty) buys a lot of anodizing! (it actually buys an ok grinder!) By way of comparison I just got enough cut alloy plate and bar to make two 100mm vices anodised black (rough size) and it cost A$95 for the privilege. Might be worth getting and seeing if you really want black, cant imagine it is that hard to take apart. Then again nothing like a factory finish but assuming the factory is Denis and he just say say anodise black instead of silver to the anodisers.

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    yeah i think it is all a bit rich. plus my machine is a matte black LMLM. i don't want to be too matchy matchy. i think wood cap yes, black no.

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    Samuellaw, you have had your Monolith 3 weeks now and a few weekends, is it still your all time favourite grinder or have you noticed any areas you would like to improve?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 338 View Post
    Samuellaw, you have had your Monolith 3 weeks now and a few weekends, is it still your all time favourite grinder or have you noticed any areas you would like to improve?
    The Monolith continues to perform perfectly. So yes, still my favourite grinder to date by far. The shot-to-shot consistency and adjustability are just impressive. It's a cinch switching between 4 different home roasts, and the number makes it easy to remember unlike some obscure marking on the other grinders.

    Improvement, yes. I can be a super fussy user for the record....

    Wish list - (I am holding no punches so this is everything..):
    (i) It could be a bit more quieter (sorry I am in a odd situation where the coffee area is outside the bedroom, and I always wake up earlier than the partner and she's a light sleeper)...I am thinking about Eureka Atom quiet or even better, completely insulated/silent. The Monolith measures about 60db at 30cm away (using a phone app - when grinding beans) so it's pretty quiet compared to most.
    (ii) I still need to remove the chute to get the last bit of retention. It'd be perfect if this can be skipped altogether, but not sure how this could be achieved. Alternatively, I can also tap on the top to push out the retained ground, but I find that awkward and prefer removing the chute.
    (iii) And lastly, it's not an entirely mess-free grinder. I get some ground on the bench after a week. No big deal as I vacuum it anyway weekly but it can be improved.

    So close enough to perfection, for a very fussy user. If you list any other grinder I could easily list way more points on the 'wishlist'...

    I still have my previous grinder (Compak E10) and thought of doing side by side comparison before the Monolith arrives. Once I used the Monolith for a few weeks and tried firing up the Compak, man, you just can't go back and there's not even a need for comparison...
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    Sounds pretty close to perfection

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    Kafatek Monolith

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    here we go


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    That is the sexiest set up ever, huge congrats mate, wow!
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    Looks like a mortar in stealth black!
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