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    Kafatek Monolith

    Starting a thread for local reviews and thoughts on these grinders.

    https://www.kafatek.com

    There are at least a few on their way to Australia.

    From all reports and extensive coverage on HB so far they look to be amazing grinders (there is a flat and a conical) for the ultimate home espresso set up.

    Would sell my M7D in a heartbeat for one.

    Would love to see some local distribution of this too.....

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    I'd be totally keen for this, just the USD is the killer...

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    Coffeeparts in Sydney tends to have some really innovative items like the Streitman lever machine so hopefully they may consider the Monolith.

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    Sorry, but meh...
    I'll keep my Kony-E.

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    I think the EK43 Barista is more Innovation?

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    Both look really interesting - I'll be curious to hear reviews on the flat in particular, and whether static/grind retention becomes a problem.

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    The reviews that have come out re: the Kafatek Monoliths have been exceptional. Have any more found their way to Australia?

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    I have the conical with Red Speed burrs. It's wonderful.

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    What did you upgrade from?

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    Kafatek Monolith

    Still have the HG-1 and a Ditting KR903

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    Kafatek Monolith

    How does the flavour compare to the HG-1 and what does it cost landed?
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    Hell, I'm seriously thinking of getting one of the conicals from the next batch. It seems a close-to-perfect single dosing match for my 2012 Cremina; both are not designed with wizbang electronic chicanery, but are purely intended to get optimum results in the domestic context. Of course, there are risks getting a relatively untested grinder, but if the design is solid (as seems to be the case from the reviews out there, admittedly not many, and no decent videos at all) what can go wrong? It is designed with simplicity in mind, just like the HG-1, which turned out to be rock solid from the beginning.

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    No one in Melbourne is getting one? Am curious about it too (as well as the HG-1 comparison)...

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    Check out the spec sheet. Much respect. Its engineered to heirloom standard and would last forever in home use with nearly zero retention and great grind quality. I will likely get the conical


    https://www.kafatek.com/index.php/monolith/

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    Taste difference between the HG-1 and the Monolith. Caveat that I haven't done a blind tasting so can't absolutely vouch for what I think is going on, but I find espresso from the Monolith to be marginally sweeter and marginally denser than that coming from the HG-1 given same brew ratio and time for extraction. As a result I'm pulling longer shots.

    The Monolith is great in that it is well designed for single dosing... I home roast so generally have lots of different beans available and therefore single dosing suits me. It's also small and looks good. It is, however, a marginal improvement in terms of espresso quality. Thinking back on all of the grinders I've had, I'd be happy with any of them (including my first "serious" grinder, a Mini Mazzer Electronic).
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    Pretty interesting. Do you have the bigger 83mm burrs or 71mm burrs on that HG-1?

    I am personally not a big fan of the HG-1 when I tested it. Side by side, I found it lacking *very* slightly in the taste department compared to the Pharos. Lighter in mouth feel and less rich overall. I thought I was imagining things but seems I am not isolated - bigger burrs is not always better?
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    A lot to be said for the old adage "it ain't the size of your grinder that counts, it's how you use it"
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadForCoffee View Post
    Pretty interesting. Do you have the bigger 83mm burrs or 71mm burrs on that HG-1?

    I am personally not a big fan of the HG-1 when I tested it. Side by side, I found it lacking *very* slightly in the taste department compared to the Pharos. Lighter in mouth feel and less rich overall. I thought I was imagining things but seems I am not isolated - bigger burrs is not always better?
    83 mm burrs

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    Anyone else end up buying one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melbroaster View Post
    Anyone else end up buying one?
    I did! I have both the Flat and Conical. Hands down the best two grinders i've used for my workflow and needs.

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    Wow, Speedster and 2 Kafateks. That would be close on the ultimate setup. Please share photos!!!

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    A lot of people have recommended the Kafatek to me, including Rick. From all accounts, it appears that this grinder removes quite a few kitchen hassles. Seems us home baristas (ie. the shareholders) are being taken seriously for a change.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dimal View Post
    Sorry, but meh...
    I'll keep my Kony-E.

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    Don't you like Apollo 13, Mal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    A lot to be said for the old adage "it ain't the size of your grinder that counts, it's how you use it"
    Indeed John, but it's still nice to be packing, isn't it!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BalthazarG View Post
    Don't you like Apollo 13, Mal?
    When it's all said and done, so long as the engineering and design effort has been put in, most hardware will do what's expected and intended, and hopefully for a very long time. Considering that grinding coffee isn't even remotely analogous to rocket science, why make it more complicated than it needs to be?

    When I switched from my previous planar grinder to the Kony, it took me all of 4-5 shots to have it dialled in perfectly - Simplicity personified. It is also ridiculously repeatable and accurate when using the Time Function along with a reasonably full bean hopper. The grind output is always light and fluffy, never have to go chasing the grind output, around the dial. It just does what it's designed to do and will keep on doing for long after I'm gone, and I don't see that there is any valid reason for wanting to move away from this...

    It suits my needs perfectly...

    Mal.

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    When it's all said and done, so long as the engineering and design effort has been put in, most hardware will do what's expected and intended, and hopefully for a very long time. Considering that grinding coffee isn't even remotely analogous to rocket science, why make it more complicated than it needs to be?
    Mal......it was a lame joke. I was flippantly suggesting that you find the Kafatek's nerdy Star Trek looks distasteful (and you'd be well within your rights). Nothing remotely complicated to it.

    The comment was not ripe for overanalysis.

    Happy New Year, old sport!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melbroaster View Post
    Wow, Speedster and 2 Kafateks. That would be close on the ultimate setup. Please share photos!!!
    here we go


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    That is just AWESOME
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    Kafatek Monolith

    I think that the Kony is one of the better grinders on the market. Consider though that being designed for a busy cafe rather than home use, it does retain ground coffee. If users are blessed not to be able to taste the multi hour old coffee which forms a portion of their next shot or hide it with milk/sugar then all well and good. Users who can taste the difference though, choose between purging (wasting) coffee before each use of the grinder, or drinking shots that incorporate a portion of stale coffee and therefore dont taste as good as they might. This is not a criticism of just the Kony as much as all grinders designed primarily for volume cafe use that find their way to home use.

    Significantly, the Monolith conical grinder is priced nearly identically to the Kony in its home market (usa) and has nearly zero grind retention, large conical burrs and great build quality and therefore the user has a better chance of good quality in the cup without needing to purge (waste) coffee between cups for home use and to swap between beans.
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    Did you end up buying a Monolith?

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    Most likely will go in the next or next + 1 production run that opens for orders. Until then if you want to lend me one of yours (and the Speedster?) I will make sure to clear some room
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    you should send Denis an email - he normally makes an extra or two grinders in each run....

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    I suppose it would look good in the kitchen if either you were legally blind or lacked any design sense.

    Maybe they do an amazing grind leaving the buyer stunned with how superior the coffee now tastes, even making up for poor barista skills?

    This is the sort of design a six year old would do with LEGO.
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    Why be critical, for no purpose other than being heard?

    There are many people who believe form follows function. A bit over your head, I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deity6667 View Post

    Wow. The grinder designs looks like they would make attractive partners to the "decent espresso" and the "trinity" machines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dimal View Post
    It suits my needs perfectly...

    Mal.
    And that Mal is what it's all about.

    Always smile at these threads, widely different opinions, everyone reckons their widget is the best by a country mile, little or no common ground exists, neither proponent will give an inch, so we quickly arrive at a yes it is, no it ain't situation.

    Once again I'm reminded of an exchange between Vincent and Jules in Pulp Fiction (warning don't click the link if your offended by coarse language) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0zJSgHDnpw

    Love the line "sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie but I'll never know cos I wouldn't eat the filthy MF" Bias is a funny thing, once people have a mind set, and, have adopted a position it's highly unlikely words or logic will cause them to change their position.

    Makes for entertaining reading.

    Trust everyone had a great New Years Eve, H and I spent it quietly at home sharing a very nice bottle of Veuve Cliquot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dlight View Post
    Why be critical, for no purpose other than being heard?

    There are many people who believe form follows function. A bit over your head, I guess.
    Little doubt about it in this case, they certainly don't have much going in the looks department (my opinion)

    Guess someone has to be first in, however my policy is never to be an early adopter, particularly with things electronic.

    The quote below from this site sums it up,
    Don’t be an Early Adopter | Think Productive UK

    "It’s considered cool to be an early adopter. One glimpse at the line of people camped outside the Apple store when they introduce a new version of the iPad or iPhone is proof that people like to be the first to get their hands on new gadgets.

    However, it is certainly not smart to be an early adopter.
    Let the crowd figure stuff out, then spend time asking them for their informed opinions (which they’ll be delighted to give, seeing as their aim in being an early adopter is so they get to talk about it to anyone who’ll listen!), before deciding to buy."
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    Quote Originally Posted by noonar View Post
    Wow. The grinder designs looks like they would make attractive partners to the "decent espresso" and the "trinity" machines.
    They sure would!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dlight View Post
    Why be critical, for no purpose other than being heard?

    There are many people who believe form follows function. A bit over your head, I guess.
    The original post was to ask for reviews and thoughts.
    wattgn has simply shared his thoughts.
    What's wrong with that?
    No need to get insulting because you disagree.

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    And I guess this isn't insulting:
    "legally blind or lacked any design sense"
    "making up for poor barista skills?"

    I enjoy the dialogue that the leading edge new products produce. And good for these innovators for creating these products.

    When last did the main stream vendors do anything that truly suits the home coffee enthusiast? They produce commercial machines for commercial use. Sure they are substantial and robust. But who truly needs something that will last longer than they will? A Mazzer will last 10 plus years in a commercial environment. That translates to hundreds of years in a home environment. Who really wants 3g to 5g of stale coffee in their first cup in the morning for the next hundred years?

    So why become highly critical and insulting to those who enjoy machines that are purpose designed for the home enthusiast?

    That was my point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fatboy_1999 View Post
    The original post was to ask for reviews and thoughts.
    wattgn has simply shared his thoughts.
    What's wrong with that?
    No need to get insulting because you disagree.

    Brett.
    Yeah he's sharing his thoughts, but if you don't like it there's no need to rubbish it.

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    Now look here, children......

    http://www.polyvore.com/cgi/img-thin...l&tid=30295476

    I said behave!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wattgn View Post
    I suppose it would look good in the kitchen if either you were legally blind or lacked any design sense.

    Maybe they do an amazing grind leaving the buyer stunned with how superior the coffee now tastes, even making up for poor barista skills?

    This is the sort of design a six year old would do with LEGO.
    Insulting, judgemental, sarcastic and belittling.

    Quote Originally Posted by fatboy_1999 View Post
    The original post was to ask for reviews and thoughts.
    wattgn has simply shared his thoughts.
    Brett.
    Hey Brett,
    The sort of thoughts that take threads completely off track?
    He could have said... "I don't like the design"... a simple sharing of thoughts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chokkidog View Post
    Insulting, judgemental, sarcastic and belittling.



    Hey Brett,
    The sort of thoughts that take threads completely off track?
    He could have said... "I don't like the design"... a simple sharing of thoughts.

    Haha secretly I'm sure he wants one - none the less what Denis has achieved and at the price point I'm not sure there is any other peers for the Monolith for home users - this is my opinion and backed up with daily use of them for over three months.

    my favourite thing besides grind quality, alignment, zero retention, workflow, design is how very quiet both grinders are.

    YMMV

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    Quote Originally Posted by deity6667 View Post
    Haha secretly I'm sure he wants one - none the less what Denis has achieved and at the price point I'm not sure there is any other peers for the Monolith for home users - this is my opinion and backed up with daily use of them for over three months.

    my favourite thing besides grind quality, alignment, zero retention, workflow, design is how very quiet both grinders are.

    YMMV
    You have a point. Who could fail to utterly love the Monolith. Utterly transfixing industrial design, a thing of abject beauty almost moving me to quote poetry on each viewing.

    As Charlie Chan used to say....amazing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deity6667 View Post
    Haha secretly I'm sure he wants one - none the less what Denis has achieved and at the price point I'm not sure there is any other peers for the Monolith for home users - this is my opinion and backed up with daily use of them for over three months.

    my favourite thing besides grind quality, alignment, zero retention, workflow, design is how very quiet both grinders are.

    YMMV
    And that for me is one of the numerous extremely impressive things about the Kafatek Monoliths - that we arent talking about something produced by a large company. Kafatek is Denis. He is an enthusiast much the same as all of us and has come up with a very high quality concept that delivers amazing value given the reasonable price point, has worked to have the required components made for him and has brought it to market with a personal eye for quality control. I respect what he has done to advance the home espresso market in the same way that I respect Doug Garrott (Orphan) and Joe Behm (Behmor).
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    "Each Monolith grinder is precision CNC machined in Seattle, USA to tolerances of thousands of an inch. Exceptional espresso requires exceptionally accurate burr alignment so we specify tight tolerances on all critical parts.

    Each grinder is then hand built and most importantly hand tested. If there are any problems with parts during assembly they are rejected. Then each Monolith is not only tested that it runs and can grind coffee, but we use your grinder to make espresso using our benchmark coffee on one of our machines; Synesso Hydra, Slayer or Londinium 1. Then we compare those espresso shots to the shots made with our reference Monolith. If we are happy with how the espresso tastes, we measure the extraction yields using refractometer and compare those to shots made using our reference Monolith. If either the taste is not to our standards or the extraction yield does not measure up, the grinder will not ship to you. This ensures that your grinder works as well as ours does."

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    Remember that scene from 2001: A Space Odyssey, where the monkeys were puzzling over the monolith ?

    Not sure why that scene from the movie came to mind.
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    I think Clint Eastwood was right when he said we're all living in the "pussy generation", and nobody can express an opinion without someone else making it all about themselves, and getting their knickers in a twist over it.

    You'd think people would have far more important things to concern themselves with - but as this thread's just demonstrated, boy, would you be wrong!

    Putting that silly matter aside, there's something to be said for aesthetic appeal. I don't think it would be possible for me to enjoy an espresso made by a machine I found ugly; the same way I wouldn't enjoy a fine wine sipped out of a tea mug.

    Remember that scene from 2001: A Space Odyssey, where the monkeys were puzzling over the monolith ?

    Not sure why that scene from the movie came to mind.
    Simple, John - nothing about it adds up!

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    One thing that is absolutely clear to me is that wattgn would hate my setup...
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