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    I'm about to pull the trigger on buying an Atom, but before I do I have a couple of questions. In terms of grind quality (I only care about in the cup results) and longevity with home use, how would the Atom compare to the Rocket Fausto and the Profitec T64? Thanks
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    Well I can't really comment here with any authority because I've only recently joined this game, but in the couple of months that I've had my Atom (and also an M2M for decaf) I can say that the Atom produces consistently smooth coffees in the cup for me. I've only used it for espresso, and have made small adjustments when changing beans (usually 1 increment on the dial). It's easy to adjust and seems to me to be readily repeatable, plus as we all know it's quiet. Given the price difference, it's a bit hard on the M2M comparing it to the Atom but that's the only comparison I've got and they're worlds apart. The M2M is pretty good for what it is, but sounds like a concrete mixer next to the Atom. I'm also struggling to get the dosing right with the M2M so I weigh every dose, but that's more a reflection of my limited skill level at the moment. That's a problem I don't have with the Atom.

    I find the Atom is easy to use and it just oozes quality, and I'm grateful to Antony at Casa Espresso for recommending it to me over the M4D.

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    Video showing hands free operation with portafilter holder adjusted properly: https://youtu.be/aYsoSAt3kr8 (skip to 1:13 & 2:40).

    Better video showing noise level (comparison to Quamar M80E): https://youtu.be/lR0Y-iCzw4U

    Can't find the video I saw that made me think the knob went round and round, must have been for a different grinder.

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    Hi DT11

    Appreciate your comments on the Atom and also Atom alongside M2M.

    I'm interested to know how the Atom might go as a separate grinder in low volume commercial situation. 1-2kg per day.

    If anyone's used it like that and wants to comment.

    I've remember seeing some commercial posts saying it was faster and quieter (and less mess) than the Eureka Zenith 65E. But in all things it comes to what it was designed for ... and could be likely the Atom motor is not designed to work higher volume as a higher spec'd grinders in their range.
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    Quote Originally Posted by matth3wh View Post
    ... I'm interested to know how the Atom might go as a separate grinder in low volume commercial situation. 1-2kg per day.
    I'm probably not experienced enough to answer that, but I don't see why it would not be up to that task? It seems pretty robustly built to me.

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    Quieter than the 65E for sure, but not faster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DT11 View Post
    I'm probably not experienced enough to answer that, but I don't see why it would not be up to that task? It seems pretty robustly built to me.
    I'll qualify my comment slightly... I love the Eureka Atom grinder, and I reckon the machine itself would be up to pretty hefty regular use, but possibly the electronic keypad could be a weaker link (if there is one) in a high use commercial environment.
    Perhaps too soon to say regarding the Atom, but in my limited experience with other gadgets (e.g., 12v fridge controls, 12v solar regulator keypad, washing machines, RCBS reloading scales, etc) it's the pushbutton keypad, especially the fully sealed ones, that seem to have a shorter lifespan than other components of the respective bit of equipment and might need replacing before any of the rest of the machine fails.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DT11 View Post
    I'll qualify my comment slightly... I love the Eureka Atom grinder, and I reckon the machine itself would be up to pretty hefty regular use, but possibly the electronic keypad could be a weaker link (if there is one) in a high use commercial environment.
    Perhaps too soon to say regarding the Atom, but in my limited experience with other gadgets (e.g., 12v fridge controls, 12v solar regulator keypad, washing machines, RCBS reloading scales, etc) it's the pushbutton keypad, especially the fully sealed ones, that seem to have a shorter lifespan than other components of the respective bit of equipment and might need replacing before any of the rest of the machine fails.
    Agree with this. The the push buttons will be the first things to go on this grinder. Seen this happen to Mazzer grinders and refractometers. I am currently putting through 2 kg a day through two Atoms. No problems.

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    Buy new Atom from Antony or buy Kony E from Gavisconi. Choices choices.
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    Quote Originally Posted by matth3wh View Post
    Buy new Atom from Antony or buy Kony E from Gavisconi. Choices choices.
    For home? 100% the Atom. It's quieter, smaller, has less grind retention, and more intuitive to use.
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    Eureka Atom

    It will be mostly home use with some regular weekend work action to add a twist to the requirements. Though I suspect the Atom will be more than up to the task of about 75 drinks across a few hours on Saturday.

    At the moment I single dose with an ex-cafe (circa 1999) La San Marco 95/A for home use... and naturally it fits well for weekend work use, though the timed dose of the Atom should hopefully get me much closer to right/consistent dose size in that scenario to speed things up a bit.

    Then the tempters started to wave their alternative wares around... I saw a Mythos 1 for $800 the other day on the Temptation Bay so that was a little fun thinking about that :-)
    Plus everyone here on CS is currently selling off all their second hand grinders at the moment... Compak A8 / Kony E / Compak K10... all very tempting.

    In the end I think the Atom will cover things for me now and so I'll email Antony and shut up about grinders for awhile :-)
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    I have just purchased a new Atom though unfortunately it got lost in transit (I hope someone is enjoying it as it would be a shame if it really did get lost).

    The reviews helped the decision but the quietness of the grinder swayed it for me.... I was not overly keen on something that scared the crap out of the kids every time I turned it on

    I cant cant wait to see it in the flesh..... I now just need the Valexia to go with it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Casa Espresso View Post
    Hi Matt,
    Very small adjustments for espresso, as we already knew.
    A 1/4 turn will get you to filter/French press. Half a turn max.
    You certainly wont be turning it more then 360 degrees, so the numbers on the dial will certainly give you an accurate reference for espresso to filter and back again.
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    Appreciate your helpful info and updates in this thread Antony.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoggers View Post
    I have just purchased a new Atom though unfortunately it got lost in transit (I hope someone is enjoying it as it would be a shame if it really did get lost).
    I cant cant wait to see it in the flesh..... I now just need the Valexia to go with it
    You're going to have a great combo there Hoggers! Will definitely be worth the wait. The quiet, speed and consistency of the Atom will certainly add to things nicely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrDerrickC View Post
    In terms of clumping, there is none on the Atom, even with oily beans from what I can tell. Very fluffy grinds which has led me to pause halfway through to collapse the grinds otherwise it overflows.
    Excited to get this grinder soon.

    Noticed a new barista comp using Atom grinders at part of their program. HOFEX Mixed Barista Arts

    No doubt clever sponsorship too on Eureka's part but then they wouldn't have chosen the grinder too if not up to the task.
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    Quote Originally Posted by matth3wh View Post
    Excited to get this grinder soon.

    Noticed a new barista comp using Atom grinders at part of their program. HOFEX Mixed Barista Arts

    No doubt clever sponsorship too on Eureka's part but then they wouldn't have chosen the grinder too if not up to the task.
    Also is probably a good choice for a comp as relatively new and not a grinder likely to be picked for a busy cafe so very unlikely any competitor regularly uses one, so no home gear advantage.
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    Hi All, I plan to buy an Atom, but I would need confirmation that it can be used for single dosing. Can it be an issue? It does not matter if it needs more time to finish the grinding when single dosing or if I have to pause and restart grinding to get all the beans through the grinder. Just please confirm it works that way… Thank you very much.

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    What is your reason for single dosing?

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    I always use the same amount of beans for a shot, and it is easier to measure it before grinding then when it is already grinded into the portafilter. Of course I could change that routine if necessary. But more importantly I use different beans through the day and it would be a fuss to empty the bean hopper all the time before changing beans.

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    Watch the Seattle Coffee Gear video of the Atom. They show you inside the chute, and I think it looks like it retains a couple of grams in the declumping mechanism which might make single dosing tricky. I have yet to get hands on with one though so don't take my word for it alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by level3ninja View Post
    Watch the Seattle Coffee Gear video of the Atom. They show you inside the chute, and I think it looks like it retains a couple of grams in the declumping mechanism which might make single dosing tricky. I have yet to get hands on with one though so don't take my word for it alone.
    Thank you for your thoughts! Of course I've already seen every video and review of the grinder online. I really would like to hear someones opinion who have tried single dosing first hand.
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    Eureka Atom

    I should hopefully be able to tell you this week or next. Hoping to have one in my hands for daily use.

    Ordered - awaiting stock/delivery

    New purchase excitement.
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    So I do now have my hands on one. I was thinking I was going to have to wait for the same importer shipment that I assume matt3wh is waiting on, but my wife had already ordered one for my birthday yestweday before stock ran out. Incidentally there is a shop in Sydney that has them on display, they're not a site sponsor so if you can't find them PM me. Alternatively anyone who wants to get hands on with one in Sydney is welcome to come and have a play with mine. I'll be in Glenhaven for the next few weeks while my wife recovers from a spinal fusion and then moving back home to Casula after that.

    And initial impressions are very very good. Very quiet, very well built, extremely consistent grind and fluffy clump free pile in the basket. Haven't quite got it dialed in yet but looking forward to running out of beans today!

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    Good luck on your wife surgery L3N.

    Will be interesting to read your review when you get time.




    PS Ninja just looked closely at your photo, you can admit it here you are among friends - do you have a grinder fetish?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bubbazanetti View Post
    Thank you for your thoughts! Of course I've already seen every video and review of the grinder online. I really would like to hear someones opinion who have tried single dosing first hand.
    When cleaned out and nothing in the chute I find there is ~3g retained. My process for roughly measuring is to clean it out, weigh the beans whole then weigh them again when in the portafilter. If you are single dosing you will need to pause several times at the end as the beans tend to jump around when there isn't many beans in the hopper, it does however manage to grind it all up.
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    Good luck on your wife surgery L3N.

    PS Ninja just looked closely at your photo, you can admit it here you are among friends - do you have a grinder fetish?
    I had a laugh... I was wondering that myself - I counted one for normal, one for possibly decaf but by the third I was just perplexed.... a nice set-up though

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    Quote Originally Posted by 338 View Post
    Good luck on your wife surgery L3N.

    Will be interesting to read your review when you get time.


    PS Ninja just looked closely at your photo, you can admit it here you are among friends - do you have a grinder fetish?
    Thanks 338. She came out of hospital yesterday, that was a better present than the Atom and Lunar put together.

    I think I'll wait a little while to do a review so I actually have a feel for it in my routine. I will say that the portafilter holder is made from bent 3mm stainless steel and the edges haven't been rounded off, so it's been scratching my portafilter a little. Ive ordered some 2mm thick neoprene foam with an adhesive backing​ that I'll stick to the top of it. I could only get it in a 1m x 30cm sheet so if anyone wants a bit for theirs send me your address, on me. I'll try and make a video of me applying it and how well it works. Also I love the way the image of the single or double cups fill up as a percentage of the time elapsed.

    Haha, I didn't until I got the Atom! The Breville is my old one and the Sunbeam belongs to my father in law. We're staying with the outlaws while my wife recovers, until she doesn't need someone else in the house with her all the time. The stone bench tops and splashbacks aren't mine either!
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    Quote Originally Posted by level3ninja View Post
    Thanks 338. She came out of hospital yesterday
    That is good news! Hoping for a swift recovery.

    RE: the Atom portfilter holder

    I'll be interested to hear how the neoprene solution goes for you and will look forward to your review down the track.
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    Thank you for the info about single dosing MrDerrickC!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrDerrickC View Post
    When cleaned out and nothing in the chute I find there is ~3g retained. My process for roughly measuring is to clean it out, weigh the beans whole then weigh them again when in the portafilter. If you are single dosing you will need to pause several times at the end as the beans tend to jump around when there isn't many beans in the hopper, it does however manage to grind it all up.
    Thank you for the info about single dosing, this is exactly what I needed to hear!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bubbazanetti View Post
    Thank you for the info about single dosing, this is exactly what I needed to hear!
    if you were dead set about zero grind retention take a look at the Baratza Sette 270W. I liked the concept of the Sette however the build quality/aesthetics wasn't for me. If it came in stainless steel it would have been a different story.

    If you don't worry about noise it could be a serious consideration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrDerrickC View Post
    if you were dead set about zero grind retention take a look at the Baratza Sette 270W. I liked the concept of the Sette however the build quality/aesthetics wasn't for me. If it came in stainless steel it would have been a different story.

    If you don't worry about noise it could be a serious consideration.
    Thank you for the tip, I was seriously considering buying the Sette for a long time, but read too much about quality issues and broken machines. This adds up to the noisy operation and the plastic housing, so I decided not to jump on that train. That Atom is everything I was looking for, the only thing that bothered me is the popcorning when single dosing (=weighing the exact dose), but if it is managable by pausing at the end, it is fine. I do the same thing with my Lelit now. They also say the Zenith small hopper also helps reducing the popcorning.
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    Level3Ninja, glad you wife is out, big load off both of your minds. Hope the recovery goes well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wushoes View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by DT11 View Post
    I'll qualify my comment slightly... I love the Eureka Atom grinder, and I reckon the machine itself would be up to pretty hefty regular use, but possibly the electronic keypad could be a weaker link (if there is one) in a high use commercial environment.
    Perhaps too soon to say regarding the Atom, but in my limited experience with other gadgets (e.g., 12v fridge controls, 12v solar regulator keypad, washing machines, RCBS reloading scales, etc) it's the pushbutton keypad, especially the fully sealed ones, that seem to have a shorter lifespan than other components of the respective bit of equipment and might need replacing before any of the rest of the machine fails.
    Agree with this. The the push buttons will be the first things to go on this grinder. Seen this happen to Mazzer grinders and refractometers. I am currently putting through 2 kg a day through two Atoms. No problems.
    After playing with one in the flesh finally the buttons look like those cheap sealed buttons, but they feel like they have microswitches or something similar behind them. They don't feel like microwave buttons or like you're pushing against a bubble, they feel mechanical. I haven't pulled it apart to see if there's access behind to replace them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by matth3wh View Post
    I'll be interested to hear how the neoprene solution goes for you

    20170609_155735 - Copy.jpg Mark out for cut. You can also see the thickness of the neoprene (2mm) and the thickness of the sturdy portafilter holder (3mm?).

    20170609_155829 - Copy.jpg Line up straight edge where I want it close to the grinder body.
    20170609_155840 - Copy.jpg Press hard for 30s
    20170609_155946 - Copy.jpg At this point I had an idea to roll the neoprene over the inside edges and stick it to them as well.
    20170609_160139 - Copy.jpg Begin cutting along edges of fork.

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    20170609_160647 - Copy.jpg Bit rough, but as a test of an idea it will do.
    20170609_160944 - Copy.jpg In situ, amongst the carnage from dialling in.
    20170609_162820 - Copy.jpg That's better!
    20170609_162845 - Copy.jpg Even the naked portafilter will now sit in place hapily, which it wouldn't do before.
    last20170609_160723 - Copy.jpg Slight over order?

    Will include the neoprene addition in my review later. And as you can see from the last picture I have more than a lifetime supply of 2mm neoprene, anyone is welcome to some for free just send me your address. I think if I buy more in the future I might buy it without adhesive and use some high strength contact glue, as I'm not sure how long the adhesive on this will last, but at least this way it won't be impossible to get off.
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    Hi Matt

    Looks great. I am waiting for mine to arrive but I will utilise your idea if you don't mind. Will be interested how you find the grinder.

    Just out of curiosity where did you get the neoprene from ?

    Cheers

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    ps have just realised I am only just up the road from you... I am in abbotsbury

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    I got the neoprene from fleabay, but you're welcome to have some of mine. I'm in Glenhaven for the next few weeks, but can drop some in your letterbox next time I'm going to the office for work or post it to you if you like.
    How do I find the grinder? Amazing. It's as big of an upgrade from the Breville as I expected, and yet it still surprises me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by level3ninja View Post
    I got the neoprene from fleabay, but you're welcome to have some of mine. I'm in Glenhaven for the next few weeks, but can drop some in your letterbox next time I'm going to the office for work or post it to you if you like.
    How do I find the grinder? Amazing. It's as big of an upgrade from the Breville as I expected, and yet it still surprises me.
    I used this https://www.plastidip.net.au/category/plasti-dip-429ml on my Mazzer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caps View Post
    I was actually thinking about that today. How's it hold up?
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    Good idea with the dip.

    Interesting to note various earlier pics appear to have a coated fork on the Atom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by level3ninja View Post
    I was actually thinking about that today. How's it hold up?
    Really good. Has been over 3 years now I think, no problems. I thought about neoprene or a rubber gasket to begin with but this looks so much better and no doubt is easier to clean. The good thing about it is you can peel it off really easy and put a fresh coat on. I haven't needed to since the first coat, but I have been thinking about it. The original can of dip I had went off about a year ago, it doesn't store well in the cans. The spray cans are much better, but you need a few coats.
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    How wide is the mouth of the can? By eye the fork is closer to 60mm wide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by level3ninja View Post
    How wide is the mouth of the can? By eye the fork is closer to 60mm wide.
    You made me smile! I thought about that last night. The Mazzer holder is just under 58mm wide at the widest point and I remember it only just fitted in the can with the smallest of clearance. You could pour some into a disposable container and work quickly, another good reason to use the spray though.

    If you do use the spray don't worry about masking the holder anywhere you don't want to spray. Just wait until it is just touch dry, use a blade for any straight edges you want, and rub off the over spray with your finger.

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    Spray can it is. I just measured it at 64mm wide.

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    Atom and M4D side by side on the bench. Not a lot of difference in overall size
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    Quote Originally Posted by Casa Espresso View Post


    Atom and M4D side by side on the bench. Not a lot of difference in overall size
    Thanks- can you show the profitec grinder next to the atom
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    Quote Originally Posted by madaxle View Post
    Thanks- can you show the profitec grinder next to the atom
    Big ask when Antony isn't a Profitec dealer
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    Quote Originally Posted by 338 View Post
    Big ask when Antony isn't a Profitec dealer
    Yes. Thanks for the direction b/338. :-)
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    So this box turned up today


    And out popped a grinder



    And a raw metal porta filter holder like others have mentioned here. * NB: interesting to note in the first post in this thread it talks of a powder coated PF holder.



    Looking forward to the kids being in bed so I can start to test this out further.

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