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    Confused and stuck, need a little help re what grinder

    Hi folks,

    pretty new to the coffee game really: have been using a sunbeam and then little guy machine for years, with some success in nice coffee, but no idea on detail. Have been using a grinder I got from harvey norman - brand bodum, cost me about $180 from memory.

    Problem: have just upgraded to a Lelit PL41LEM, and the Bodum grinder apparently doesn't go fine enough: can't get any more than about 4 bar. Went and tested with local roasters normal grind: still only 4bar. Went to his finest grind: max pressure and no coffee! So I know the machine is OK.

    Conclusion: I need a new grinder. Pretty frustrated here, just don't want to make a mistake and not be able to make coffee for another month!! So I need your wise heads to sort me out.

    Budget: I would love to spend $200 or so, but if $450 for this Macap M2M | Talk Coffee is what I really really need then so be it.

    Any help much appreciated.

    GDE

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    Welcome GDE...

    If you can stretch to it, then the Macap is definitely the way to go...
    Will grind much more consistently for a much longer time than appliance type grinders, and
    Will see out more than a couple of espresso machine upgrades over time.
    You would definitely notice an improvement in the cup, where it counts...

    Mal.
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    Thanks for that. Sorry to check what might seem obvious, but youd be confident this will grind for my machine OK (fine enough, so I get sufficient pressure)?

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    You might find a cheaper grinder second hand that will do the job for you. If you buy from a member of this site they may even let you try it first with your machine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gde View Post
    Hi folks,

    pretty new to the coffee game really: have been using a sunbeam and then little guy machine for years, with some success in nice coffee, but no idea on detail. Have been using a grinder I got from harvey norman - brand bodum, cost me about $180 from memory.

    Problem: have just upgraded to a Lelit PL41LEM, and the Bodum grinder apparently doesn't go fine enough: can't get any more than about 4 bar. Went and tested with local roasters normal grind: still only 4bar. Went to his finest grind: max pressure and no coffee! So I know the machine is OK.

    Conclusion: I need a new grinder. Pretty frustrated here, just don't want to make a mistake and not be able to make coffee for another month!! So I need your wise heads to sort me out.

    Budget: I would love to spend $200 or so, but if $450 for this Macap M2M | Talk Coffee is what I really really need then so be it.

    Any help much appreciated.

    GDE
    We import and distribute the Macap grinders so maybe I am biased, but the M2M is by far and away the most popular grinders we supply.

    It is absolutely bullet proof and will give you many, many years of quality service.

    I would be getting on to Talk Coffee....

    cheers

    Antony
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    Ok thanks all, it's going to sting but better in the long run by the sounds of it. Good forum, appreciate the help!

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    Ignore the gauge that says 4 bar. You want approx 60ml in approx 30 seconds from a double basket. Plus or minus a bit on those numbers should be good enough as long as it tastes good.

    Make sure you are using coffee roasted in the last 3 weeks.
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    Really? I thought the whole pressure thing was pretty non-negotiable. I have heaps to learn here...

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    Quote Originally Posted by gde View Post
    Really? I thought the whole pressure thing was pretty non-negotiable. I have heaps to learn here...
    Result in the cup is where it counts.

    If you are using fresh beans and getting your 60mls in 20 seconds then your grind isn't fine enough. If you're getting 40 mls in 30 seconds then too fine.

    Keep your tamp the same and adjust the grind till you get your 60mls in 30 seconds.
    If you get 50mls in 28 seconds and it tastes good then you are getting close.
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    Wow OK, something to work off, thanks. Have saved into the phone...

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    You're welcome. Double baskets are easier to work with than singles.
    Change one variable at a time and you'll figure it out. I tamp lightly, really not much more than the weight of the tamper so that's really easy to replicate. Then adjust grind but try and keep dose consistent as well. A slight hump before I tamp is working well for me.
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    Try this, to help with your espresso: http://www.home-barista.com/newbie-i...-espresso.html

    Then get back to the grinder question.
    I dont know anything about the grinder you have or whether it's up to the task.

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    So many grinders...I had the Rocky now the M4D, both great grinders. The M4D is three times faster giving a double shot of 20 grams in 10 seconds and has a timer which I use.

    I would just go with the M2M. It is a fair price and will last. I would suggest looking at some grinders in the flesh. It will spend time on your bench so looks are important.
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