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    Sunbeam Cafe Series - decent grinder for home espresso?

    Hi All,

    I have a Breville Ikon BES400 machine which I recently purchased. I was running pre-ground coffee in double walled baskets previously but was told single wall is the way to go. So I've bought such baskets (genuine Breville) and given them a go. It seems my pre-ground coffee is too coarse so I need to invest in a grinder. Can anyone identify the item below (sorry only have one pic) as I can buy it for $50.

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    It looks pretty industrial but also well used. I only paid $15 for the machine itself with all the gear so a bit reluctant to spend mega-bucks on a grinder so what other good makes/models are there I should look for online used or new?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MonoJoker View Post
    Hi All,

    I have a Breville Ikon BES400 machine which I recently purchased. I was running pre-ground coffee in double walled baskets previously but was told single wall is the way to go. So I've bought such baskets (genuine Breville) and given them a go. It seems my pre-ground coffee is too coarse so I need to invest in a grinder. Can anyone identify the item below (sorry only have one pic) as I can buy it for $50.

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    It looks pretty industrial but also well used. I only paid $15 for the machine itself with all the gear so a bit reluctant to spend mega-bucks on a grinder so what other good makes/models are there I should look for online used or new?

    Thanks.
    It LOOKS like an EM480 - which will be a vast improvement over what you currently use. If it is a lesser SB model, find an old 480...

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    Yes it's a Sunbeam EM0480 grinder. At $50 it's a good grinder and a far superior option to using preground coffee. Make sure you give it a good clean inside and out.

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    Thanks guys I will grab it on the weekend if still available, if I just google how to clean a coffee grinder it should give me enough info or is there anything specific you can advise me.

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    2nd hand Cafe series will be the best band for your buck, especially under $50 on gumtree.

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    Considering what you paid for the coffee machine that is an equitable grinder, but I found it a pain to use as it is so inconsistent. Far, far better is the Breville Smartgrinder, but that is a long way above your tightwad budget ($200, sometimes less). :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by wfdTamar View Post
    Considering what you paid for the coffee machine that is an equitable grinder, but I found it a pain to use as it is so inconsistent. Far, far better is the Breville Smartgrinder, but that is a long way above your tightwad budget ($200, sometimes less). :-)
    I spent a long weekend with a mob of grinders (including 480s and smartgrinders - yes, plural of both) and a laser refractometer. FYI, both 480s and smartgrinders vary widely in performance from great to unusable. No way would a smartgrinder be considered as an upgrade unless you cannot use the manual 480 and need a lot of electronic handholding.

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    Well, I dunno about refractometers, but in actual use the Smartgrinder is far better than the Sunbeam grinder that comes with the 6910 espresso. It gives a far more consistent grind than the Sunbeams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wfdTamar View Post
    Well, I dunno about refractometers, but in actual use the Smartgrinder is far better than the Sunbeam grinder that comes with the 6910 espresso. It gives a far more consistent grind than the Sunbeams.
    Three people with me at the time would join me in saying "crap". Considering the 480 and Smartgrinder vary quite a bit, perhaps you got a Good Breville and a poor 480. FYI, we used his workshop to calibrate them all after the initial testing (mainly in a vain attempt to get a much higher end grinder to work for espresso) and the 480 and Smartgrinder are almost exactly level after all side play has been removed - and the worst one of them happened to be a Smartgrinder at the beginning.

    I started my sojourn on CS due to a grinder problem that a guy was having on My New Machine. I posted a few tips. Much later I posted a summary of the grinder testing we did (plus a few comments), which is on VST Filter Basket - Whats Your Experience Been Like?. Feel free to comment after reading that. Oh, and that started a whole batch of other info - including the fact that both the 480 and Smartgrinder actually have multiple changes / revisions without altering the model number.

    I now have two Mahlkonig Varios, so I have no interest directly in them any more other than to state that the last three Smartgrinders friends have bought badly needed side play removed - so I reckon they have not improved much, if any, since 2013.

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    Yes I've had three Sunbeam grinders - two EM0480s and an 0450. One of the 0480s was a real PITA to calibrate, and it took ages to 'bed in'. The other two needed some tweaking, but weren't so bad. My experience is that at their best they deliver some of the best quality grinds and shots of any grinder at this level, but do tend to vary as Tampit has pointed out. The other downsides are mess and noise, although there are workarounds for the mess such as PF funnels and the like.
    I've never owned a Breville SG or DC, but have used one and have friends that have had SGs. There's no doubt the Breville SG, especially the 820, is more user friendly than the Sunbeams and is definitely less messy. I haven't seen any evidence that it produces a higher quality grind, but the fact that it's a bit easier to use and potentially more consistent could have some bearing on people's experience.

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