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    Grinder upgrade from Breville smart grinder

    Hey everybody,

    So this weekend I upgraded from a Breville dual boiler (it was dying a slow and painful death) to a Profitec Pro 500. I didn't mind my old breville smart grinder with my dual boiler but now upgraditis has hit me. Can anyone suggest a decent grinder for the profitec? I want something that I can consider an upgrade but something sub 1000 if possible. Any suggestions?
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    Grinder upgrade from Breville smart grinder

    See if you can get your hands on Baratza 270 or 270W. I believe Di Bartoli may have a reserve for CS members. That's if you want to broaden your brew methods.

    Or the usual suspects Macap M4D/ Compak. Can you get a Eureka Atom for $1k? Sweet talk some sponsors. Ok maybe $1150. Alright $1199

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    That 270w looks slick. I will have to hunt around this week. Thanks Matt.

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    The 270W is still a bit appliance like. If you wanted something that will last forever and can stretch your budget the Profitec Pro T64 is a brilliant little grinder. I didn't like the look of them online but I went to Jet Black Espresso the other day to have a look at a couple of others and Charlie showed me the T64 as well. I found the looks to be rather obtuse in pictures but in person is fine. It's also really well made and a pleasure to use. I'll be grabbing one in a couple of months.
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    Yup, Charlie suggested the t64 to me as well when I was there, was debating that but the cost was a bit more than I wanted to spend. Macap m4d looks good for the price. Is the t64 worth the 400 more?

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    Try a Mahlkonig Vario - about $700 for a Swiss made grinder that probably holds its own / betters any sub $2000 grinder for Turkish to espresso grinds. Also compact, quiet, no static issues, no spraying grounds all over the bench and generally fuss free which makes it ideal at home. I still chuckle when I see funnels, wires and other fixes for grinders with poorer performance.

    Be forewarned, out of that grinding range it (AFAIAC) is barely acceptable and almost any other grinder (including your Smartgrinder) will outperform it.

    TampIt
    PS: I do not recommend a Baratza anything as they are a parallel import into Oz - they hold the US market rights, Mahlkonig do the rest of world for most of the range.
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    Thanks tampit, looking into the vario now as well. Now I have to decide between the compak k3 touch, vario, macap m4d and sette 270w... Too many choices and I keep looking at the t64 haha. Would spending the extra on the t64 be worthwhile over the m4d?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nav View Post
    Yup, Charlie suggested the t64 to me as well when I was there, was debating that but the cost was a bit more than I wanted to spend. Macap m4d looks good for the price. Is the t64 worth the 400 more?
    IMO yes it is, but I have subjective preferences. Although it is a timed doserless (so has the brains) it's otherwise a really simple, small but solid grinder. Nothing to go wrong except to put a rock through it. It's SO solidly built, I've taken it on many trips now and when I pull it out my grind setting is as it was, and I have no worries carrying it around in a woolies green bag with my other bits and pieces. Build quality-wise, it matches your machine's rock solid quality.

    There are no grind adjustment sliders to wear out and slip over time (or as you're grinding...), rather it's a worm drive which is really well designed and very precise for making small changes. The buttons are real solid, not soft touch, and it's a solid stainless steel body. Direct drive means there are no belts to slip or wear out.

    But, the killer for me is the speed. 7s to fill my 20g portafilter - up to twice as fast as some of the other suggestions.

    That being said, the M4D offers you most of these benefits for a small sacrifice in speed (10s but an added benefit of 3 preset grind times)
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    Quote Originally Posted by matth3wh View Post
    See if you can get your hands on Baratza 270 or 270W. I believe Di Bartoli may have a reserve for CS members. That's if you want to broaden your brew methods.

    Or the usual suspects Macap M4D/ Compak. Can you get a Eureka Atom for $1k? Sweet talk some sponsors. Ok maybe $1150. Alright $1199
    We have the Eureka ATOM in stock . Would be worth contacting us if it is on the short list . Always ready to help a CS member with pricing
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    Hi Nav.
    My path to the Pro 500 was the same, but approx. 12 months prior to the purchase I upgraded from my smart grinder to a Eureka Mignon.
    It's a simple, rock solid, no nonsense grinder. Both Jetblack and Di Bartoli in Sydney stock them for $550 or less.
    As much as I am continually tempted by the upgraditis bug, I simply cannot find a good enough reason other than speed to move up from the Mignon, that would justify the spend. Anyway, I wouldn't know what to do with those extra few seconds in the day that I would save on the grind time
    If I was to succumb to upgraditis in the future, I would be checking out the Eureka Atom due to my experiences with it's little brother. Others on my shortlist would be the matching T64 and the Rocket Fausto (as it has similar features to a Eureka). All of these are above your stated budget.
    Having said that, all other grinders mentioned so far also have their fair share of supporters on this site.

    Good luck with the new grinder purchase and welcome to the Profitec club.

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    G'day!

    I'm in a similar situation. Looking to upgrade from the Breville Smart Grinder prior to upgrading my machine from the BES900. I love the look of the Quamar Q50, is there any advantage of the Q50e over the Q50p?

    Huge thanks to Paul in advance, i'm coming across your posts in all different threads and you are such a wealth of information.

    Cheers,
    Mick.

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    Hey Paul, What sort of part availability does the q50 have? One of my primary concerns with any purchase is to make sure I can easily get replacement parts if something goes wrong with the device.

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    Decided to go with the Eureka Atom, thanks to everyone for their suggestions (and thank you Casa Espresso).

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    Let us know how it goes for you. It was on my shortlist and I'd be curious to know what you think of it.

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    Hi Nav
    Enjoy the quiet grinding of the Atom!
    Shoot some video for us of it in action if you get a chance.
    Matt
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    So, just thought I'd just post some comments about the eureka atom after a week of use. Big thanks to Casa Espresso for the quick delivery. What got me the most was how quiet this grinder is, I literally think the loudest part of my coffee setup is the pump in my profitec. I don't have a meter to measure the volume, but to give people an idea, its as quiet as my kitchen's range hood on the quietest/lowest setting, just a low hum. The grind consistency is magnitudes better then my old grinder with little to no clumping and very little retention. When I was looking at ordering the plastic shell did concern me a little bit, but the unit does feel incredibly solid. At the moment i'm grinding for 10.7 seconds for about 20g in my double basket. If I was to nitpick their are a few things I'd have loved to see.. the ability to pause/resume a grind by pushing the button used to start the grinding (the portafilter button) rather then hitting the double cup grind button would be great. The other thing I'd love to see is control over the brightness of the screen or at least an auto dim after no use feature so that if I leave the grinder on by accident at night it doesn't light up my whole main floor.

    All in all, I'm incredibly happy with this purchase and definitely would recommend it to others.
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    Might want to check with the better half about counter space too, one of the reasons i went with a Vario

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